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#315180 - 07/17/10 12:37 PM Re: Axiom M22 V3 vs Klipsch RB61 vs Energy CB20 [Re: Adrian]
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Registered: 07/13/10
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Really enjoying the Energy CB20s still. The Beatles are magic on them. The more I use them the more I like them. The Energys don't seem to need much break-in time. Again, I wish I could try the higher end bookshelves or a full sized tower. I am definitely an Energy fan at this point.

I started a thread on Canuck Audio Mart forum that is a little more concise and includes my Mirage M390-IS in the comparison. The Mirage M390IS is my best used audio purchase. They are a terrificly balanced sound with great bass that goes surprisingly low.

http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=16786
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#315294 - 07/18/10 09:25 AM Re: Axiom M22 V3 vs Klipsch RB61 vs Energy CB20 [Re: pastuch]
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Glad you found something you like. My brother has Energy towers/sub combo (forget the model) and I like them as well. My M60s seem a bit more concise but the two systems are a province away o it's probably unfair to compare them directly.

By the way, most folks consider speaker "break in" a bit of a myth. With the parts used today, any break in occurs within a few seconds in it's first factory testing. At least that is what I have learned from experts who know much more than I. I think sales folks like to talk about it because they are either are not trained well or on the sneakier side, they realize that it takes a person's ears and brain a little while to settle into a new speaker and/or it might trick you into keeping them past thier easy return period.

You listening to the remasterd Beatles? I'm curious to hear more opinions on wether it's worth the investment.
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#315319 - 07/18/10 11:33 AM Re: Axiom M22 V3 vs Klipsch RB61 vs Energy CB20 [Re: Murph]
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Originally Posted By: Murph
You listening to the remasterd Beatles? I'm curious to hear more opinions on wether it's worth the investment.

I would say "yes". I have bought a few of the Beatles ReMasters and "Beatles for Sale" seems particularily good.
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#315383 - 07/18/10 07:39 PM Re: Axiom M22 V3 vs Klipsch RB61 vs Energy CB20 [Re: Adrian]
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Started using the M22s today. They sound bright to me. They have a ton of detail, they reveal everything on the original recording. They have a very clean and uncolored sound. I'm a little disappointed with the bass. I find them a little fatiguing. Maybe I would like the M60 or M80 more but they don't work in my room as well. I'm going to use the M22s for another couple days and I'm going to check out the Klipsh Heresy IIs. I really want to like the M22s more than I do because I love this forum and I dig that they are Canadian made.

So far, I can't say I like them as much as the Energy CB 20s. Yes the Energys are more colored, they don't go as loud and they lack the flat frequency response but I don't care. The Energy CB 20s had me tapping my feet the whole time I was listening.
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#315393 - 07/18/10 09:21 PM Re: Axiom M22 V3 vs Klipsch RB61 vs Energy CB20 [Re: pastuch]
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Registered: 12/04/06
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Originally Posted By: pastuch

Gave up on the Klipsch RB61. They really don't do it for me. They just sound shrill and don't cause any emotion. The Klipsch RB61 has a wide and accurate soundstage but the bright highs are annoying.

The Energy CB20 has a killer midrange. They sound rich and definitely don't sound fatiguing. Not quite warm like I was expecting, just balanced. My Pioneer 1019 has no trouble driving the CB20s. They have solid base and I can't believe they only cost $350 regular price. I like these so much I would love to try the Energy RC70 towers. I bet they sound brilliant. The CB20s make me smile.

When you said this I expected you would prefer the CB20s to the M22s but I kept my mouth shut. If you don’t like the “brightness” of the M22s don’t bother with the M80s as the high and midrange are the same IMO. Not sure about the M60s since I haven’t heard them but some say they are a little more laid back than the M80s.
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#315403 - 07/18/10 09:45 PM Re: Axiom M22 V3 vs Klipsch RB61 vs Energy CB20 [Re: grunt]
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Me too Dean.

Colin, I would say you should send the M22's back and try the M3's on for size, they are less forward/detailed/bright whatever you want to call them, most likely very similar to the Energy's you like and I believe less money smile .
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#315404 - 07/18/10 09:52 PM Re: Axiom M22 V3 vs Klipsch RB61 vs Energy CB20 [Re: jakewash]
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Good suggestion Jay.
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#315412 - 07/18/10 11:13 PM Re: Axiom M22 V3 vs Klipsch RB61 vs Energy CB20 [Re: grunt]
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I would listen to the M22's for a few days, then switch back to the Energy's just to be sure. Sometimes you need a couple of days with a speaker to get used to it from my own experience.
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#315711 - 07/20/10 01:11 PM Re: Axiom M22 V3 vs Klipsch RB61 vs Energy CB20 [Re: Adrian]
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Registered: 07/13/10
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Loc: Ottawa
I'm going to try them with my NAD amps upstairs but I would advise against the Pioneer 1019/M22 combo. Extremely bright and male vocals are horrid.
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#315841 - 07/20/10 10:06 PM Re: Axiom M22 V3 vs Klipsch RB61 vs Energy CB20 [Re: pastuch]
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Registered: 09/19/08
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Originally Posted By: pastuch
I'm going to try them with my NAD amps upstairs but I would advise against the Pioneer 1019/M22 combo. Extremely bright and male vocals are horrid.


The NAD amps are not going to make any perceivable difference, tube amps might. The Pioneer, unless you are adjusting the treble controls should not add significant colouration to the sound. Placing the speakers upstairs in a different room might help but I suspect you just do not prefer the sound of the M22.
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