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#319375 - 08/21/10 01:01 PM upgrading my pre/pro or receiver
Worfzara Offline
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Registered: 07/25/05
Posts: 709
Loc: London area, Ont, Canada
Good day

It's getting time that I updgrade my Rotel RSP1066. It has no HDMI and limited base management.

I am looking for a reasonably priced pre/pro or would even consider a reciever with 7.1 pre outs so I can use my power amplifer.

I have been eyeing the Denon AVR-990. But I am open to recommendations. Price is always an issue. I don't have a set budget but keeping it below $1000 mark is desirable.

I have a 4000 cubic foot room so I'd like to keep the power amplifer to do most of the heavy lifting, at least for the L C R.

I do enjoy opening the volume up and letting the M80's sing once in a while.

Thanks in advance for you help!

Paul
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#319382 - 08/21/10 02:44 PM Re: upgrading my pre/pro or receiver [Re: Worfzara]
tomtuttle Offline
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Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8290
Loc: Tacoma
I don't think you're going to get a worthy processor in that price range (but I'm just not willing to entertain the patience necessary to make the Emotiva work). I've had good luck with Onkyo refurbs, like the TX-NR3007 at accessories4less for US$999. I think that's the same receiver Dean has now, and it's pretty darn feature rich. You can get the same unit directly from Onkyo for $100 more, but I think it includes the shipping. I never know which vendors might be preferable for Canadians.

a4less also has the 1007 for $749, which might meed your needs; I haven't studied the differences enough to be useful.

I think you're right to retain your Rotel for primary amplification duties.
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#319383 - 08/21/10 02:54 PM Re: upgrading my pre/pro or receiver [Re: tomtuttle]
Jc Offline
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Registered: 06/27/06
Posts: 501
Loc: Sherbrooke, QC, Canada
Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
... (but I'm just not willing to entertain the patience necessary to make the Emotiva work)...

Hi tomtuttle,
Please, could you elaborate on your above remark ? It was a product which I was seriously considering.

Many thanks !
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#319384 - 08/21/10 02:59 PM Re: upgrading my pre/pro or receiver [Re: tomtuttle]
grunt Offline
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Registered: 12/04/06
Posts: 3569
Loc: Nirvana
I’m quite happy with my Onkyo TX-NR3007. Took a little to adjust to the Onkyo way of doing things from the Denon way but in the end the functionality is the same just how you get there. As Tom says if your plan is simply to use this as a preamp then the 1007 should do the job I’d just compare the features to make sure you’re getting what you need.

As far as the Emo I’d stay very far away from any pre-amp they offer. From what I’ve read all of the UMC-1’s problems can not be fixed via firmware. The bass management in inherently flawed and it does not do true HDMI pass-through if you want that feature. These two things and possible others will not change.
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#319386 - 08/21/10 03:03 PM Re: upgrading my pre/pro or receiver [Re: tomtuttle]
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Registered: 07/23/04
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Loc: Up yonder
I’m a Denon advocate, so my opinion is biased. They are a feature rich receiver and have been very reliable with few to zero bugs. I hate dealing with bugs and have found that Denon has fewer than other brands. Also, the Denon GUI on their mid to higher level receivers is excellent. So having said that, the 991 is quite a machine for the price. Unfortunately, it does not have pre-outs. You need to move up to the 3311 to get pre outs. If you want to stick with Denon, the 3311 is the one that I would buy, considering your price point. The 991 and 3311 are sister receivers with the 3311 adding some custom installer type functions. Be warned though, neither have independent sub calibration capabilities despite having two sub pre outs. They have a mirror operation. I am hopeful that Denon will add a receiver with all the features of the 3311 plus dual sub calibration capabilities and the ability to use both height and width speakers simultaneously. At least that’s why I have not moved from my 3808 yet.

You are SOL on finding a pre at your price point unless you are OK with buying used.
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#319388 - 08/21/10 03:05 PM Re: upgrading my pre/pro or receiver [Re: Jc]
grunt Offline
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Registered: 12/04/06
Posts: 3569
Loc: Nirvana
Originally Posted By: Jc
Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
... (but I'm just not willing to entertain the patience necessary to make the Emotiva work)...

Hi tomtuttle,
Please, could you elaborate on your above remark ? It was a product which I was seriously considering.

Many thanks !


JC, I haven’t kept up on all the issues and fixes so if someone else doesn’t post more information I suggest reading the most recent posts in this thread to see what the present status of the UMC-1 is assuming that was the Emo pre-amp you were considering.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1218226&highlight=emotiva



Edited by grunt (08/21/10 03:09 PM)
Edit Reason: forgot the link
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#319389 - 08/21/10 03:11 PM Re: upgrading my pre/pro or receiver [Re: grunt]
tomtuttle Offline
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Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8290
Loc: Tacoma
JC, Dean basically hit the high points.

My personal trust in Emotiva to deliver a product of this complexity has eroded. My opinion is that a processor requires so much corporate collaboration with other major players (Dolby, THX, chip manufacturers, etc.) that any company trying to bring forth such a product must have quite large operating scale. The design, integration, research, development, QA, and sourcing for a processor take so much more effort than the actual production. I don't want to bash Emotiva, because I honestly have great respect for the people, what they are trying to do and their business model. It's just that they took YEARS to bring the UMC-1 to market, and it still isn't "right" according to too many users.
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#319390 - 08/21/10 03:13 PM Re: upgrading my pre/pro or receiver [Re: tomtuttle]
CV Offline
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Registered: 07/20/06
Posts: 11208
Loc: Richland, WA, USA
It's going to be embarrassing if Chris's pre-pro ends up working better than Emotiva's.

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#319391 - 08/21/10 03:18 PM Re: upgrading my pre/pro or receiver [Re: CV]
MarkSJohnson Offline
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Registered: 09/27/04
Posts: 10898
Loc: Central NH
And it'll be cheap too, since he's setting up manufacturing in Romania...
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#319392 - 08/21/10 03:24 PM Re: upgrading my pre/pro or receiver [Re: michael_d]
Scamp Offline
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Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 84
Loc: Bethesda, MD
Originally Posted By: michael_d


You are SOL on finding a pre at your price point unless you are OK with buying used.


Not necessarily. I purchased my factory sealed Denon 3311ci from an authorized vendor (jr.com) for well under his price point. You just need to call them and ask for a discount.
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