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John, so I take I am better off with a sub such as the sunfire junior with more callibration

Calibrated correctly it won't be "intrusive". Whether at that level it gives you the "punch"(whatever that is to you)you want may be another matter.

That is what I thought I couldn't have

What subwoofer are you using right now and how much have you played around with positioning?

Any good subwoofer will produce fairly even bass and should not in and of itself sound unbalanced. However, the room plays a critical role and even thought the subs you listened to were “all in the same corner” they can't actually occupy the same space. Even moving a sub a foot or so on any direction even up can have a big impact on how strongly it energizes different room modes.

Also you mentioned that the crossovers were 60Hz and 80Hx which could make a big difference in the punch you feel. The HSU Mid-bass Module goes from 50Hz-150Hz and like Fred said the “punch” is in the that mid-bass range not down deep. It’s also best produced near the listener so that the direct energy is much stronger than what’s reflected from around the room.

Keep in mind that how the subs are performing in the store will have little bearing on how they will work when you get them home. I’ve had my EP500 in three different rooms and gotten 3 completely different results that I had to tweak to my liking with placement, crossover choices and ultimately equalization. You just can’t judge a subwoofer accurately w/o accounting for the room.

Well I can get the Sunfire True Subwoofer Junior for $600 off the retail $1500 Canadian. Has anyone had any experience with this one in their homes? Or is this sub a shouldn't buy

Sunfire makes some good subs, but I have never heard that particular one.

I would make sure you can return the sub free of charges before purchasing, just in case you are no happy with it's output in your room.

I have always been a believer, especially in an HT application, "you can't defy the laws of physics" so that's why I never been a fan of these small subs, including, among others, the Sunfire which I have heard. When it comes to deep bass, these "little" boxes just don't cut it.

Assuming my math is correct, and you have $900 to spend, you have a lot of choice, if not Axiom, ED, SVS, HSU, Outlaw and others which will give you much more bang for the buck, better overall performance and probably for less money.

I've had really good results with my M22's and the EP350. The 350 goes a bit higher than the EP500 which helps fill in the missing bass in the 100-150 hz range.

You can get plenty of bang for buck in the $900 region. I would also add Rythmik (Direct Servo) subs to that excellent list.

Alright scratch the Sunfire. And thank you for all your knowledge. If I may, one last comparison.

1. A Paradigm DSP-3200 which has been "corrected" using the PDK software (mics positioned in 5-7 areas in my room) or,

2. The new SVS SB12-NSD without room correction, other then the normal "sub crawl" and adjusting volume,phase..etc