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Re: Should we trust Audyssey ?
Dundas #341251 03/09/11 12:27 AM
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There's an adage that does carry some weight-

"There's no such thing as objectivity of the scholar."

Note-this is not an opinion of mine, but rather a little tidbit that popped into my head that is only slightly relevant.


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Re: Should we trust Audyssey ?
Ya_basta #341252 03/09/11 01:02 AM
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Here is a paper on "room correction" that you can download for a fee.

http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=15154

Here is the associated PowerPoint presentation on that paper.

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B97...xMGQ4&hl=en


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Re: Should we trust Audyssey ?
BlueJays1 #341261 03/09/11 02:01 AM
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So are these Harmon International employees are 100% objective about room correction systems that the competition is using?
If I spend $20. will I find out more than some work better than others?


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BlueJays1 #341265 03/09/11 02:06 AM
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I looked at the powerpoint. Based on my personal evaluation of the data I (especially the part about flat response) have concluded that everything 2x6 has ever posted is correct!

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Lampshade #341266 03/09/11 02:09 AM
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Uh oh, Dundas just used the logic brought up in the blind listening tests that included Alan....:)

Dundas,
I wish they let us know which did well and which lost. Does Harman have a proprietary room correction that was included?


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Re: Should we trust Audyssey ?
Lampshade #341286 03/09/11 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted By: Lampshade
I looked at the powerpoint. Based on my personal evaluation of the data I (especially the part about flat response) have concluded that everything 2x6 has ever posted is correct!

(lampy ducks for cover)


Yeah. It looks to replicate that of a sound power curve that you would typically see. Interesting!


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Re: Should we trust Audyssey ?
Dundas #341299 03/09/11 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted By: Dundas
So are these Harmon International employees are 100% objective about room correction systems that the competition is using?
If I spend $20. will I find out more than some work better than others?


Yeah, but which brand(s) of correction is best, better, or crap is not identified.


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Re: Should we trust Audyssey ?
grunt #341305 03/09/11 03:59 AM
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the Gadarene swine fallacy.

My favorite expression of this was found on the men's room wall of CCNY:

Eat Sh!t, 60 trillion flies can't ALL be wrong.



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Also Known as: Ad Populum
Description of Appeal to Popularity

The Appeal to Popularity has the following form:

1. Most people approve of X (have favorable emotions towards X).
2. Therefore X is true.

The basic idea is that a claim is accepted as being true simply because most people are favorably inclined towards the claim. More formally, the fact that most people have favorable emotions associated with the claim is substituted in place of actual evidence for the claim. A person falls prey to this fallacy if he accepts a claim as being true simply because most other people approve of the claim.

It is clearly fallacious to accept the approval of the majority as evidence for a claim. For example, suppose that a skilled speaker managed to get most people to absolutely love the claim that 1+1=3. It would still not be rational to accept this claim simply because most people approved of it. After all, mere approval is no substitute for a mathematical proof. At one time people approved of claims such as "the world is flat", "humans cannot survive at speeds greater than 25 miles per hour", "the sun revolves around the earth" but all these claims turned out to be false.

This sort of "reasoning" is quite common and can be quite an effective persusasive device. Since most humans tend to conform with the views of the majority, convincing a person that the majority approves of a claim is often an effective way to get him to accept it. Advertisers often use this tactic when they attempt to sell products by claiming that everyone uses and loves their products. In such cases they hope that people will accept the (purported) approval of others as a good reason to buy the product.

This fallacy is vaguely similar to such fallacies as Appeal to Belief and Appeal to Common Practice. However, in the case of an Ad Populum the appeal is to the fact that most people approve of a claim. In the case of an Appeal to Belief, the appeal is to the fact that most people believe a claim. In the case of an Appeal to Common Practice, the appeal is to the fact that many people take the action in question.

This fallacy is closely related to the Appeal to Emotion fallacy, as discussed in the entry for that fallacy.



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Re: Should we trust Audyssey ?
2x6spds #341308 03/09/11 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted By: 2x6spds
the Gadarene swine fallacy.

My favorite expression of this was found on the men's room wall of CCNY:

Eat Sh!t, 60 trillion flies can't ALL be wrong.



Yes, I remember that grafitti. It was right above "Frodo Lives" and to the left of "Free Bobby." And something about a face on a train....?


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Re: Should we trust Audyssey ?
2x6spds #341327 03/09/11 05:51 AM
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Quote:

Eat Sh!t, 60 trillion flies can't ALL be wrong.


Lover that one too. wink


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