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#359646 - 11/29/11 02:04 AM IN / ON wall speaker vs Cabinet & Standard version
Chevy Offline
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Registered: 07/31/09
Posts: 95
Loc: Sherbrooke Qc Canada
Axiom spkrs sharing the same technicals specs
whatever the version:
bookshelf,floorstanding,in wall, on wall, in/on wall, or cabinet.

but, i wonder if they sound the same ???

Does anyone find that different version of the same spkr sounds different ??? confused

... having in wall or on wall spkr, is a space compromise, but is it a hearing compromise too ???
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#359649 - 11/29/11 08:20 AM Re: IN / ON wall speaker vs Cabinet & Standard version [Re: Chevy]
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In my opinion they sound different, but my listening comparision is limited to the M22 on-wall vs. bookshelf. I find the bookshelf has a much smoother and even sound, whereas I've experienced some harshness with the on-wall at some upper frequencies that was unpleasant to my ears with some recordings. I didn't experience this with the bookshelf. I can't speak for the in/on wall, or the cabinet. The in/on wall should be an improvement and the cabinet should sound the same as the bookshelf version.

But, then again, others have registered no complaints with the on-wall speakers. It might be that I'm one of the rare individuals that have both.

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#359657 - 11/29/11 08:46 AM Re: IN / ON wall speaker vs Cabinet & Standard version [Re: CatBrat]
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Ken is now the most experienced person on this topic. Hey, Ken, does it sound any different off the wall?
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#359660 - 11/29/11 08:59 AM Re: IN / ON wall speaker vs Cabinet & Standard version [Re: BobKay]
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I'm told it has a lot of boom.
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#359671 - 11/29/11 10:40 AM Re: IN / ON wall speaker vs Cabinet & Standard version [Re: Ken.C]
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Yes the inwall vs onwall vs bookshelf all have a bit of a different sound to them, basically in the bass regions. This is due to cabinet size difference.
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#359688 - 11/29/11 12:44 PM Re: IN / ON wall speaker vs Cabinet & Standard version [Re: SirQuack]
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smile SirQuack , that's what i suspect about, the cabinet size diff.
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#359696 - 11/29/11 01:48 PM Re: IN / ON wall speaker vs Cabinet & Standard version [Re: Chevy]
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I did some comparisons to my onwall v3's versus regular m22's v2's, and the highs/mids seemed similar. The regular M22's had better bass. With the crossover set correctly with a good sub, they both sounded good. My reg m22's sounded fuller, in my opinion.
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#359710 - 11/29/11 02:50 PM Re: IN / ON wall speaker vs Cabinet & Standard version [Re: SirQuack]
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That's about the same comparison I had, except around the female voice region of the on-wall M22 v2. It didn't bother me at first, but a visitor pointed it out to me one day that she didn't like the way it sounded (too bright), so then I did a lot of a/b testing with various material between on-wall and bookshelf and the bookshelf also had a smoother response in the upper regions as well.

Then with some later testing with a RC sound meter, I discovered that the on-wall had comb filtering problems, whereas the bookshelf did not. While playing a constant tone, I would slowly walk the sound meter across the room. With the on-wall, it would quickly fluctuate up and down. With the bookshelf, it remained steady.

I attribute these abnormalities possibly to the proximity of the speakers to the wall. With the wall interacting with the sound. I don't know how this might affect the in-cabinet or in-wall units.

It's possible some of these problems have been corrected with the v3 units.

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