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#359984 - 12/02/11 01:28 PM Re: Multiple Subs [Re: gtpsuper]
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Registered: 01/19/11
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you seem to be so engrossed in proving to yourself that your thinking is right and others are wrong that you "forgot" in the links you gave that those subs are PORTED. that's the reason the curves are not like acoustic suspension subs.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speak...view_fullscreen

i'm quite sure that if i was to scrutinize all your posts, i would find many other contradictions, but it's not worth the time and effort; i got better things to do with myself.



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#359986 - 12/02/11 01:51 PM Re: Multiple Subs [Re: J. B.]
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If you look at the first link I posted its the EP400 sealed sub. Look closly it says EP400 at the bottom of the chart. Now explain why it bombs at 20hrz. Strong response then BAM nothing. It should have been gradual not cliff drop off. The second is of the EP500 you get the slight hump at tuning point which looks to be 28-30 and then drop off.

Its ok I was once a blind follower too.


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#359987 - 12/02/11 01:54 PM Re: Multiple Subs [Re: gtpsuper]
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#359988 - 12/02/11 02:03 PM Re: Multiple Subs [Re: gtpsuper]
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Originally Posted By: gtpsuper
Wheres the measurements? Really that reviewer just gave his opinion just like I gave mine right? So if my opinion doesn't count being an actual owner why does his. Wheres the in room response graph, ect....?


Your opinion does count, and is welcomed. The manner in which you expressed however, "sucked", and could have been stated with more tact. You could just suck it up and apologize, then carry on with the debate. Or not, and no one will pay any attention to you because of the choice of words you made.

Originally Posted By: Ken.C
Well, he's right. So do Fords.


Not as much as Apple.

Nick -

I have an LF-1, 2 500's and a 600. The LF1 is no where near the playing field as the 500. I think two 500's would be more than enough for your room. I actually prefer them over one 600 (in the same room).
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#359993 - 12/02/11 02:33 PM Re: Multiple Subs [Re: michael_d]
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gtsuper, you're trolling. Take it to AVS.

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Anyone really think that the EP600($1860) can compete with the PC13 Ultra $(1699)


Like Jason, I HAVE heard them both in the same room, back to back, in the same position. They were different, but certainly competitive. The owner chose to keep the EP600.

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Strong response then BAM nothing. It should have been gradual not cliff drop off


How delightful for you to live in The Land of "Should"! Why do you think your perception is Truthier than the design choices made by the designer and manufacturer?

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Its ok I was once a blind follower too


Please stop being an arrogant troll and if you can't contribute something positive to the community, just move on. The forums here have been steadfastly in support of helping people ENJOY equipment and content, regardless of its source. You seem to be on a quest for something else. Just because I don't salute your analysis doesn't mean I'm blind or that I even disagree; it means I just don't care. I want to have fun. You're not making it fun.
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#359994 - 12/02/11 02:37 PM Re: Multiple Subs [Re: tomtuttle]
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Oh, great. I didn't know fun was the objective. I thought I was doing my part by weirding everyone out.
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#359997 - 12/02/11 02:43 PM Re: Multiple Subs [Re: CV]
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That's fun for us, Charles.
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#359998 - 12/02/11 02:44 PM Re: Multiple Subs [Re: tomtuttle]
CV Offline
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Sick! Now I know why I feel at home.
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#359999 - 12/02/11 02:47 PM Re: Multiple Subs [Re: tomtuttle]
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Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
gtsuper, you're trolling. Take it to AVS.

Quote:
Anyone really think that the EP600($1860) can compete with the PC13 Ultra $(1699)


Like Jason, I HAVE heard them both in the same room, back to back, in the same position. They were different, but certainly competitive. The owner chose to keep the EP600.

Quote:
Strong response then BAM nothing. It should have been gradual not cliff drop off


How delightful for you to live in The Land of "Should"! Why do you think your perception is Truthier than the design choices made by the designer and manufacturer?

Quote:
Its ok I was once a blind follower too


Please stop being an arrogant troll and if you can't contribute something positive to the community, just move on. The forums here have been steadfastly in support of helping people ENJOY equipment and content, regardless of its source. You seem to be on a quest for something else. Just because I don't salute your analysis doesn't mean I'm blind or that I even disagree; it means I just don't care. I want to have fun. You're not making it fun.



First I was told that I posted the wrong graph and it was a ported sub thats why it response looks like that, thats not the case I posted a sealed subwoofer EP400. I like to know why it drops off like that. I said early that Axiom uses a Brickwall filter but never got and answer, so I proved it with that graph that it drops like a rock. Never said one thing about it being a bad design choice I just like to know why it has a Brickwall and not just a gradual roll off.

But noboby wants to talk about the science and truth behind products and the designers choices. They want Yeah I love Axiom there the greatest thing ever buy buy buy. How does that help anyone other than selling them a speaker?

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#360000 - 12/02/11 02:52 PM Re: Multiple Subs [Re: gtpsuper]
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I'm all for an explanation of the design choice, but I don't expect it instantly, and I do think your negative tone makes it hard to make it a reasonable conversation. Relax, dude.
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