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#359989 - 12/02/11 02:06 PM Re: Multiple Subs (2nd attempt) [Re: Adrian]
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Well crap, I posted in the "other" thread.

In addition to that post, I tried running the LF1 in addition to two 500's in the same room and ended up pulling it out. It did not play well with the 500's AT ALL.
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#359990 - 12/02/11 02:08 PM Re: Multiple Subs (2nd attempt) [Re: Adrian]
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i would say that they do both: reinforce one another and then cancel out one another.
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#359996 - 12/02/11 02:41 PM Re: Multiple Subs (2nd attempt) [Re: J. B.]
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Nick, do you have an ICBM, BFD or that Velodyne thing? Seems like having some control over the subs independently would be "good".

Personally, I'm skeptical that you're going to hear or feel the difference between 20Hz and 17Hz, so I don't believe $2000 subs are a good bargain.

I'm kind of on a big-sealed-sub-with-room-gain jag intellectually at the moment, probably because I have a ported sub.

Have fun, eh?
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#360001 - 12/02/11 03:07 PM Re: Multiple Subs (2nd attempt) [Re: michael_d]
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Originally Posted By: michael_d

In addition to that post, I tried running the LF1 in addition to two 500's in the same room and ended up pulling it out. It did not play well with the 500's AT ALL.


You have the original LFM1? Is your room rectangular? If so this is the answer to one of my questions.

Originally Posted By: michael_d

Nick -

I have an LF-1, 2 500's and a 600. The LF1 is no where near the playing field as the 500. I think two 500's would be more than enough for your room. I actually prefer them over one 600 (in the same room).


This is really helpful. So you prefer two midrange (roughly $1000 in price) subs over one more high end sub (roughly $2000 in price).


Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
I'm skeptical that you're going to hear or feel the difference between 20Hz and 17Hz, so I don't believe


You may not feel a difference between 20Hz and 17Hz, but if your sub doesn't play lower than say 20Hz, then anything encoded in the movie in that range you be missing out on. The trouble is, to get any of that stuff below 20Hz, equally well at each seat costs a lot of money.

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#360005 - 12/02/11 04:24 PM Re: Multiple Subs (2nd attempt) [Re: Nick B]
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Yes, it's the original LF1. And yes, my room is rectangular, unlike Marks square room of suckage. 12' X 18' or thereabouts.

When I had the single 600 in this room, it worked great, but was simply too tall and a hindrance to placing furniture, so I decided to try two 500's. I find the LFE to be, for lack of a real description - smoother. I do not miss that we lil' bit of LFE the 600 had over the 500 in the freq range. And for your reference, I have the sub knobs in the 30% range, so in other words, they would have the same effect in a much larger room.

As an experiment, I tried the LF1 in this room with the twins, and it was absolutely horrible. It simply can not compete with the 500's. Huge, huge difference that anyone can tell. No need for charts or graphs.

I now use the 600 in my great room for the two channel rig. It's simply awesome. This room is big, 28' X 32' with 10' wall height and a 23' vaulted ceiling. For music, I love the 600. It blends in so nicely, you'd never guess a sub is in the room - but you can feel it. Hell, I can feel it all over the house when things are a rockin...

So are the EP's worth the cost or can you find something better??? maybe, maybe not. I don't care. I like Axiom stuff and they always take care of me. That means a lot to me. Plus the free shipping puts them at a very competitive price point when considering that everything gets shipped to where I live 2 day air.

Good luck and don't forget to make this a FUN journey!

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#360007 - 12/02/11 04:36 PM Re: Multiple Subs (2nd attempt) [Re: tomtuttle]
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Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
Have fun, eh?

Look at Tom, being all Canadian-ey.
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#360009 - 12/02/11 04:55 PM Re: Multiple Subs (2nd attempt) [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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#360010 - 12/02/11 04:56 PM Re: Multiple Subs (2nd attempt) [Re: michael_d]
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Originally Posted By: michael_d

As an experiment, I tried the LF1 in this room with the twins, and it was absolutely horrible. It simply can not compete with the 500's.


Yes one answer that makes sense is that the LF1 cannot keep up with the 500's. But, maybe there were issues with cancellation and addition since you tried an odd number of subs together. Though, Randy has 3 subs and is quite happy with the results, it seems like figuring out the correct placement would be difficult. The only way to be sure is to replace one 500 with the LF1 and see if the bass is still horrible.

You probably are right that the LF1 cannot keep up with 500, if you try to integrate them though and I'm leaning towards just saving up to upgrade for two midrange subs like you suggested, but what I mentioned about is one possibility that came to me when reading your post.

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#360011 - 12/02/11 04:57 PM Re: Multiple Subs (2nd attempt) [Re: Adrian]
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I could stand to sneak across the border and re-live that last trip. I could use that right now, and I'm OK with missing Christmas.

Adrian, I'll buy?
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#360012 - 12/02/11 04:58 PM Re: Multiple Subs (2nd attempt) [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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(Sorry Nick, I'm derailing your thread and you've already had to restart it). frown
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