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#370991 - 03/25/12 11:19 PM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: Amie]
stevej Offline
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Registered: 08/08/09
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Thanks for the info. Need to decide if I want to put that much money into this. When looking at saving about $1000.00 for the pre-order, the savings could buy some amps. Then talk my wife into letting me put the 80s in the living room. Decisions, decisions.
Thanks again.

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#370992 - 03/25/12 11:20 PM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: stevej]
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Steve, if your question was directed to me, the situation I discussed in the previous post would also apply to you if the assumptions made there are correct(this of course is uncertain at this time). You'd be feeding the modified front channel signals(for the rear drivers of the LFR1100)from the DSP box into the back surround inputs on the 3007. Yes, you'd have to use two of the present channels of your 3007 for the rear drivers on the LFR1100 rather than your back surround speakers. If you wanted to keep the back surrounds an additional two channels of amplification would have to be added.
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#370994 - 03/25/12 11:21 PM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: stevej]
dakkon Offline
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Registered: 02/08/04
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Originally Posted By: stevej
Hey John. I have an Onkyo 3007 receiver. So if I wanted to purchase the new speakers what would I need to do to take full advantage of them?
Would I have to use seperate amps and if so would I lose my rear channels. I currently run 7.1 with 2 80s, 180, and 4 qs8s.
Thanks

Steve, you mean like this amp?

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-s...mplifier/1.html

it has enough channels to power your 7.1 system with the LRF's in the system... and it's about 1k, and will match your receiver laugh

I know, were not much help saving money around here......

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#370996 - 03/25/12 11:31 PM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: Amie]
stevej Offline
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Thanks for the replies guys. I know what you mean about the money. Expensive hobby, but sure is fun.

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#371012 - 03/26/12 12:29 AM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: dakkon]
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Originally Posted By: dakkon
Originally Posted By: stevej
Hey John. I have an Onkyo 3007 receiver. So if I wanted to purchase the new speakers what would I need to do to take full advantage of them?
Would I have to use seperate amps and if so would I lose my rear channels. I currently run 7.1 with 2 80s, 180, and 4 qs8s.
Thanks

Steve, you mean like this amp?

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-s...mplifier/1.html




it has enough channels to power your 7.1 system with the LRF's in the system... and it's about 1k, and will match your receiver laugh

I know, were not much help saving money around here......




That's the one I have and use two Outlaw 2200 mono's for the 80's and am happy. Might just get two more mono's to run the LFR1100's. They really do pack a punch for the money , my cable box runs hotter than those little guys.


Edited by SBrown (03/26/12 12:31 AM)
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#371016 - 03/26/12 12:49 AM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: JohnK]
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Originally Posted By: JohnK
...the modified output could be fed to the surround inputs on the receiver as Chris suggests. Then the surround outputs would be connected to the back driver terminals.

The output channels are identical in maximum output and assuming that the sections of the LFR1100 are similar in sensitivity to the M80, typical receivers with 100-150 watt ratings should be more than sufficient.



Even if this were possible, it would not be very practical IMHO:

1. You are limited to a 2.0 or 2.1 setup only.

2. You are restricted to one single audio source (ie. you can only use whatever device you have connected to the analog inputs of the receiver).

3. Depending on your definition of "typical," most receivers under $1000 do not have the necessary multi-channel analog audio inputs.
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#371017 - 03/26/12 01:02 AM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: avjunkee]
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Originally Posted By: avjunkee
Even if this were possible, it would not be very practical IMHO:

1. You are limited to a 2.0 or 2.1 setup only.

2. You are restricted to one single audio source (ie. you can only use whatever device you have connected to the analog inputs of the receiver).

3. Depending on your definition of "typical," most receivers under $1000 do not have the necessary multi-channel analog audio inputs.


I think the first two were a given. On point 3, are you talking about retail price? I know my Onkyo which was closer to the $500 mark in street price has them. In any case, even if it was a 2.1 or 2.0 music-only system, I'd still personally want it to be a digital connection that I could apply processing to if the mood struck. And I'd want outboard amps, anyway.

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#371023 - 03/26/12 08:26 AM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: avjunkee]
LucRaymond Offline
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Registered: 08/21/04
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Originally Posted By: avjunkee



Even if this were possible, it would not be very practical IMHO:

1. You are limited to a 2.0 or 2.1 setup only.

2. You are restricted to one single audio source (ie. you can only use whatever device you have connected to the analog inputs of the receiver).

3. Depending on your definition of "typical," most receivers under $1000 do not have the necessary multi-channel analog audio inputs.



I completely agree! To make it work you only need to buy an external amp like Emotiva XPA and you're done with it.
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#371024 - 03/26/12 08:48 AM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: stevej]
LucRaymond Offline
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Registered: 08/21/04
Posts: 308
Loc: montreal,qc,canada
Originally Posted By: stevej
Hey John. I have an Onkyo 3007 receiver. So if I wanted to purchase the new speakers what would I need to do to take full advantage of them?
Would I have to use seperate amps and if so would I lose my rear channels. I currently run 7.1 with 2 80s, 180, and 4 qs8s.
Thanks


I would say the minimum required to get the new speakers is to get a stereo amplifier (or two mono). Leave everything as is except that you plug cables from the pre-amp of your receiver to the external amplifier and plug the LFR on the external amplifier.

Your receiver will be more than capable handling the rest of your speakers.

If you want a matching front audio level, I would recommend a three channels amplifier (like the XPA-3 from emotiva). It will also drive your center channel (VP180).

The XPA-3 gives you 300watts at 4ohm and will rock your world.

Leave all QS8 on the Onkyo, you would not notice the difference.

I do have 7 channels external amplification and my surrounds don't need it. I would have save money if I kept them hooked to the receiver.
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#371028 - 03/26/12 09:34 AM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: LucRaymond]
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Loc: Western Maryland, USA
Originally Posted By: LucRaymond
I would say the minimum required to get the new speakers is to get a stereo amplifier (or two mono). Leave everything as is except that you plug cables from the pre-amp of your receiver to the external amplifier and plug the LFR on the external amplifier.

I don't know, I think the minimum needed is four channels of external amplification for a pair of LFRs.

The left and right pre-outs go into the DSP box, and that provides outputs for the left-front, left-rear, right-front, and right-rear drivers. Each of those arrays needs their own amp channel.
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