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#395015 - 07/10/13 03:02 PM Re: Tap, Tap, Tap... [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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It is interesting how some people call for "love and equality to all" and then turn around and show hatred and call "foul" to anyone that disagrees with them.

Sort of a "Acceptance of everything is great, as long as you accept the same things that I do and nothing else." kind of thing.

I disagree with a lot of people here, for example, but I don't think that I've ever once said that anyone here is wrong for what they believe to be right. I have, a few times, felt like the outcast, but not because anyone has (that I remember anyway) said anything directly to me that they were mad about.

By the way, I use the word "tollerance" NOT as a direct relationship to the above linked movie reference. I clicked the link, but didn't read the article so please don't assume anything by reading too much into me using that word. It is just coincidental.
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#395016 - 07/10/13 04:22 PM Re: Tap, Tap, Tap... [Re: nickbuol]
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To me, tolerance means live and let live. Unless your actions are affecting me personally -- and by affect, I mean something that causes me to have to take some action in order to deal with the effects of your actions -- we should be able to coexist, each with our different opinions and motivations.

For a while, I was tolerant of people who had strongly held convictions about certain areas of "morality". The goals they were striving for certainly did not affect me directly. I was not in the class of people they were striving to exclude from certain privileges.

Then I learned that some people I know and care about are in that class. Surely, they should have the same spectrum of choices that I had before I got married. And that is why I support the ordination of women in the Catholic Church.

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#395017 - 07/10/13 04:48 PM Re: Tap, Tap, Tap... [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Please don't tell me that this is how most of you read these forums!!??

I want one just so I can take an idump...
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#395018 - 07/10/13 04:53 PM Re: Tap, Tap, Tap... [Re: pmbuko]
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Originally Posted By: pmbuko
... And that is why I support the ordination of women in the Catholic Church.

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I see what you did there and I'm not biting...
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#395019 - 07/10/13 04:58 PM Re: Tap, Tap, Tap... [Re: nickbuol]
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Originally Posted By: nickbuol
It is interesting how some people call for "love and equality to all" and then turn around and show hatred and call "foul" to anyone that disagrees with them.

As noted in the comment by the African-American woman - if I had time, I'd link to it and call her by name - in the linked article, this is basically projection.

Unfortunately, a lot of people who are against gay marriage are also against anyone disagreeing with them and thus are too quick to whine and play the victim when someone does hold a differing opinion. It's easy to lose sight of who the real victims are, IMHO.
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#395020 - 07/10/13 05:14 PM Re: Tap, Tap, Tap... [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Agreed. I was just pointing out that I have never protested someone's sexual orientation, beliefs, race, so on and so forth, yet if I was ever to have a public gathering of white, heterosexual men, I would receive hate mail, death threats, and so forth from the groups that promote "tolerance and love for all." Granted, I am not feeling like a victim because I can't hold such a gathering, but you see the point.

I know that demographics and geography also plays into all of this. We don't see/experience as much segregation for any reason here in Iowa. I do know that there are issues out there though as far as kids (other kids always look for ways to bully) picking on someone else because they are "different," whatever that means anymore. Not saying that things are perfect here (granted, Iowa has been mistaken for Heaven before), but I wonder if there is a study out there that shows "hot spots" where people are more victims of hatred based off of race, religion, or sexual orientation.

I'm trying to make a point, but feel like I am just floundering around, so I will stop. Again, please don't read too much into what my initial point was. It was just to bring up a different perspective; one that is very accepting (not just tollerant) of all people. Even Canadians. wink
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#395021 - 07/10/13 05:25 PM Re: Tap, Tap, Tap... [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Well, I'm not sure about them Canadians.

I think I hear ya, Nick, and no worries. You seem like a good guy. Part of the peril of Internet message boards is not being able to read nuance like you can get in the spoken word, and also the relative anonymity that it affords. So someone who is looking for trouble/offense can usually find it. One of the nice things about this board is that we self-regulate well and clarify these kinds of things.
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#395022 - 07/10/13 06:14 PM Re: Tap, Tap, Tap... [Re: medic8r]
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Nick is on my good guy list precisely because he takes the time to say things carefully and clearly, regardless of the topic.

Plus, pictures.
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#395025 - 07/10/13 07:22 PM Re: Tap, Tap, Tap... [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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LOL. Thanks guys.

Oh, and more pictures are coming in 2 minutes to my theater/sub build thread.
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#395027 - 07/10/13 07:36 PM Re: Tap, Tap, Tap... [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Pictures are up? laugh
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