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#397466 - 09/29/13 08:34 AM Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers
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Apart from name & price anyone know what are the differnces are with the m100's

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bryston-unveils-model-a-loudspeaker-series-at-cedia-2013/

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#397473 - 09/29/13 09:37 AM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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uuuum, wow, I would say that looks a lot like an Axiom product. Maybe Axiom is making them for Bryston to their specs. If not it appears the wedge design concept has been stolen. smile
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#397487 - 09/29/13 10:39 AM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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Where have you guys been? Axiom and Bryston have been collaborating for awhile now. I suspect that Axiom is supplying the cab design while Bryston is doing the woofers (with their assistance), at least, like the Model Ts.
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#397488 - 09/29/13 10:50 AM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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No Axiom is supplying the drivers but has been making refinements in partnership with Bryston.

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#397490 - 09/29/13 11:08 AM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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Yeah, we all know about Axiom's involvement with the Bryston's T speaker line and differences from the M100 or LFR1100's but this new line of Bryston's speakers (the A1 line ) seem to be the exact copy of Axiom's M100's so without knowing the final specs, I would say other than different color drivers name & price otherwise same speaker as M100's

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#397491 - 09/29/13 11:19 AM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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Perhaps future merger with Axiom & Bryston??? In this tough economy who knows what will happen!!!

http://www.soundstageglobal.com/index.ph...-a1-loudspeaker

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#397492 - 09/29/13 11:28 AM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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I was more reacting to SirQ than to you, Johnny.
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#397493 - 09/29/13 11:35 AM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: Ken.C]
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Originally Posted By: Ken.C
I was more reacting to SirQ than to you, Johnny.


yeup no problem.. take a look at the pics

http://www.soundstageglobal.com/index.ph...-a1-loudspeaker

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#397494 - 09/29/13 12:07 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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If this is indeed a rebranding in efforts of offering Bryston's customers a more affordable package other than the T line, you can expect a price increase from Axiom or decrease from Bryston... or else this would make no sense. I believe that a price increase is more of a possibility.

Get your M100's while you can

Just my 5 cents (since pennies don’t exist no more)


Edited by Johnny_Be_Good (09/29/13 12:08 PM)

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#397495 - 09/29/13 12:48 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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Originally Posted By: Johnny_Be_Good
If this is indeed a rebranding in efforts of offering Bryston's customers a more affordable package other than the T line, you can expect a price increase from Axiom or decrease from Bryston... or else this would make no sense. I believe that a price increase is more of a possibility.

Get your M100's while you can

Just my 5 cents (since pennies don’t exist no more)


I would guess given the connection with Bryston of the previous line of Axiom amps, this is really no surprise. Other than being the Canadian distributor of the PMC line of British speakers for awhile, Bryston's expertise has really never been in speakers, primarily amps and pre-amps, so I guess it has evolved in to a symbiotic relationship for both companies. Bryston uses Axiom's extensive expertise and facilities in designing and manufacturing speakers while Axiom uses Bryston's expertise in building amplifiers. I would also gather being relatively close together geographically doesn't hurt either.

It is also a matter of reputation. Bryston has always been considered a "high end" company so the speakers they will be offering, even the bookshelf designs, will be nowhere near the price range of the Axiom M2 or M3 so although similar, aesthetic design will be somewhat different and given the Bryston name and reputation and as we have seen, cost for their speakers are considerably higher. Once again, it is the old story like all so-called "high end" companies it is a matter of choice as to whether or not the potential buyer thinks the extra cost related to performance is worth it.

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#397496 - 09/29/13 01:03 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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Just a shot in the dark…. (wonder how accurate this could be!!)

Bryston vs Axiom

A1 @ $3250 vs M100 @ $2690
A2 @ $2395 vs M80 @ $1500
A3 @ $1995 vs M60 @ $1150
A mini @ $1200 vs M22 @ $ 518

my bestimate guess is soon you will see a major price increase on all axiom products (not priced the same as bryston but shy of a couple of hundred bucks)

FYI; I saw in a past thead Ian saying that the M80s were under priced

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#397502 - 09/29/13 01:52 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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My guess is the new line is still being made to different specifications under the direction of James Tanner. I doubt either James or Ian would settle for simply attaching a new name to an existing product.

While I do expect a price increase from Axiom due to the recent comment by Ian that M80s are currently underpriced, I don't think it will be a "major" one.

But yes, in unrelated news, the sky is falling.
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#397504 - 09/29/13 02:24 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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Comparing the 2 speakers (m100's & a1's) same tweeters, same mids, same 6.5 bass, cabs seem the same ... the only thing I can think that would justify that kind of price difference is an upgragable external crossover board like in the T series... on an other note woulnd't you expect that being involved with all the speakers for Big brand ''high end'' name have an impact on your existing line of speakers... i'm pretty sure that some increases are comming soon...


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#397505 - 09/29/13 02:47 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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Come to think of it, aside from the obvious physical similarities, one could say that the Bryston is a somewhat more aesthetically fancier cabinet so if one was to order any of the comparable Axiom models and upgrade to one of the customized wood designs then even now that would close the gap on the price between the two companies.

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#397508 - 09/29/13 02:56 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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I absolutely disagree with two hypotheses presented here.

First, you cannot discern just by looking at the drivers that they are same.

Second, there is no compelling reason for Axiom and Bryston to price their products competitively with one another.
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#397520 - 09/30/13 07:42 AM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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Wasn't there a comment from Ian somewhere that said all the drivers in the Bryston Model "T" were made by Axiom? The tweeters and midrange were essentially stock but the woofers were based on one from the Axiom subwoofer line, as the design goal was that they be full range.

It sure appears that the new 6.5" woofer that Axiom has produced is based on one they were working on for the Bryston Model A line. This could also explain the longer than expected rollout for the LFR upgrade, as Ian and Andrew were busy working with Bryston on the Model A line. I think overall this will be beneficial as we'll hopefully continue to see some trickle down into Axiom's regular (and more affordable) lineup!

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#397522 - 09/30/13 08:35 AM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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The A1 from Bryston is very similar to M100. For the extra cost you get the addition of vertical bracing on top of the seven horizontal window braces, the Bryston 20 year warranty, the Bryston black drivers, and the convenience of having them available at your local Bryston dealer. The A2 and A3 have a heavy-duty version of the woofers used in the M80s and M60s on top of the other features above. We will be introducing versions of the M60 and M80 with these drivers later this year.

The Mini A is not similar to the M22 as it is a larger overall speaker and a 6.5” three-way.

With the advent of the Model T there seemed to be a place in the Bryston line for a physically smaller range of towers and bookshelf speakers. Given that the whole project began three years ago because James at Bryston was a big fan of the M80 it seemed sensible to make a Brystonized version of the M60, M80, and M100 as the next logical progression in the line.
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#397527 - 09/30/13 01:03 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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Ian, Will the Vp line also benefit from the new 6.5 woofers?

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#397529 - 09/30/13 02:49 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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Yes, we will make a high powered version of the VP160 and VP180.
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#397533 - 09/30/13 11:59 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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What about the in cabinet 60s 80s 160s and 180s will they have that woofer? And wile I'm hijacking some in cabinet m100s?

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#397534 - 10/01/13 11:07 AM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: NOLAGT]
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Yes, we will have the in-cabinet versions available for all these.
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#397544 - 10/01/13 02:33 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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Sounds like a new version is just around the corner! hold on to your shorts people.. here come the V4's

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#397545 - 10/01/13 04:05 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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I want the subs!

Edit: There is something coming....right?


Edited by SBrown (10/01/13 04:13 PM)
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#397550 - 10/01/13 09:25 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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Oohhhhhh, fancy new drivers!
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#397601 - 10/03/13 03:42 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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It is good to hear that Bryston actually made some changes and only had a slight markup in price.

Much worse is the Lexicon repackaging of the Oppo player and selling it for 7 times the price.

http://www.audioholics.com/blu-ray-and-dvd-player-reviews/lexicon-bd-30-blu-ray-oppo-clone

Or Meridian repackaging (or just relabeling would probably be a better word) the JVC projectors with a quite a hefty markup.

http://www.audioholics.com/editorials/meridian-mf10-projector-jvc-dla-rs2-plus-ripoff

Also, Anthem LTX 500 LCOS seems to be a JVC RS20 repackaged.

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#397603 - 10/03/13 04:49 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: Nick B]
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The Bryston and Axiom speakers are TWO different animals, get over it!
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#397604 - 10/03/13 05:31 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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I hope I can upgrade my in-cabinet VP160 somehow.

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#397605 - 10/03/13 08:07 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: Ian]
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Yes, we will have the in-cabinet versions available for all these.


Any guestament on when. I'll be looking to switch from my m80s and vp150 to some I cabinet stuff next year sometime.

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#397606 - 10/03/13 08:23 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: SBrown]
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Originally Posted By: SBrown
The Bryston and Axiom speakers are TWO different animals, get over it!


Ummm are u off ure meds again. this is a discussion forum and there are obvious differences and we are here to discuss them.
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#397607 - 10/03/13 08:25 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: CatBrat]
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Originally Posted By: CatBrat
I hope I can upgrade my in-cabinet VP160 somehow.


Cat when did you add a vp160 ,did I miss the pics. I thought you had a wall full of M22's?
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#397608 - 10/03/13 08:29 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: Ian]
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Originally Posted By: Ian
The A1 from Bryston is very similar to M100. For the extra cost you get the addition of vertical bracing on top of the seven horizontal window braces, the Bryston 20 year warranty, the Bryston black drivers, and the convenience of having them available at your local Bryston dealer. The A2 and A3 have a heavy-duty version of the woofers used in the M80s and M60s on top of the other features above. We will be introducing versions of the M60 and M80 with these drivers later this year.

The Mini A is not similar to the M22 as it is a larger overall speaker and a 6.5” three-way.

With the advent of the Model T there seemed to be a place in the Bryston line for a physically smaller range of towers and bookshelf speakers. Given that the whole project began three years ago because James at Bryston was a big fan of the M80 it seemed sensible to make a Brystonized version of the M60, M80, and M100 as the next logical progression in the line.


Ian this heavy duty version you speak of, is it an all new driver that could be used to update past versions of the M80 or will it also require a crossover change like the upgraded driver used in the M100 .
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#397611 - 10/04/13 12:14 AM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: Socketman]
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No, but when you get off your Meth, talk to me.
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#397619 - 10/04/13 11:27 AM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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In all honesty the A1 and the M100 are more similar than they are different. If black drivers and a bit of extra bracing is worth a $600 price premium , i submit that perhaps i am not the one that is on meth. FWIW my meth habit has nothing to do with your rudeness to other posters. From reading this thread , it would seem i am not the only one that has some issues with what would seem to be nothing more than rebranding.
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#397627 - 10/04/13 05:38 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: Socketman]
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Originally Posted By: Socketman
Originally Posted By: CatBrat
I hope I can upgrade my in-cabinet VP160 somehow.


Cat when did you add a vp160 ,did I miss the pics. I thought you had a wall full of M22's?


Link to a pic

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#397628 - 10/04/13 05:48 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: Socketman]
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Originally Posted By: Socketman
FWIW my meth habit has nothing to do with your rudeness to other posters.


NOW we're getting somewhere, Richard. Thank you. I think a lot of us here feel the same way about our own meth habits and the Forums.
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#397629 - 10/04/13 06:11 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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That's why Bob wraps his face in his avatar, so you can't see the aging ravages of meth ...
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#397632 - 10/04/13 09:31 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: CatBrat]
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Originally Posted By: CatBrat
Originally Posted By: Socketman
Originally Posted By: CatBrat
I hope I can upgrade my in-cabinet VP160 somehow.


Cat when did you add a vp160 ,did I miss the pics. I thought you had a wall full of M22's?


Link to a pic


hmm, my old age is showing, I totally missed the vp160. Nice choice on the VT50 plasma. I see the new ZT from Panny is suppose to be the Kuro killer , unfortunately at 3800.00 American its out of my reach for now.
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#397635 - 10/05/13 09:53 AM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: medic8r]
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Originally Posted By: medic8r
That's why Bob wraps his face in his avatar, so you can't see the aging ravages of meth age...


Seems like time has taken over where the meth left off.
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#397656 - 10/06/13 07:53 AM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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#397658 - 10/06/13 07:00 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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The A1s are huge! Gotta be almost 5 ft tall. That would be some immersive stereo.

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#398468 - 11/09/13 06:49 PM Re: Rebranding of M100's? Bryston A1 speakers [Re: JBG]
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interesting vid with Andrew...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxXjUf-s688&feature=youtu.be


very similar to tis vid of the M80's ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoHWZSFvW68

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