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#398142 - 10/25/13 01:13 PM LFR-880 and LFR-660
ClubNeon Offline
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From here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9mxy_qiEoA

Quote:
If you have one of the latest LFR models, the 880 or the smaller 660, neither of those have the angled back. In that case, toe-in is extremely important, because if the speakers are just pointing straight, then the reflection from behind it won't escape and will just bounce around behind it. So make sure that you toe the speakers in towards the listening position to get a nice seamless soundstage.

Ian Colquhoun: In follow up to Andrew's discussion of the placement of the speaker in a room for an LFR1100 or 660 or 880, I thought I'd get into a bit about how the electronics work.
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#398143 - 10/25/13 01:16 PM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: ClubNeon]
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Oh, it also contains this bombshell...
Quote:
This particular DSP is the top-of-line pre-amp model of DSP (there is now going to be four models)...
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#398144 - 10/25/13 01:43 PM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: ClubNeon]
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I'm very happy for Ian and Andrew and Co.

Congratulations on the new products!
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#398145 - 10/25/13 01:43 PM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: ClubNeon]
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Boy, do I need to build a room! Finally, understanding of what it means when people shout "Get a Room!" at me!
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#398146 - 10/25/13 02:05 PM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: ClubNeon]
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I'm actually kind of melancholy about the whole thing. It's great to see so much work and research come to fruition, and I know the new speakers and DSP's will make lots of people happy. But it's kind of harsh knowing that I'll probably never be one of them.
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#398147 - 10/25/13 02:11 PM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: ClubNeon]
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I'm very happy about this news. I've kinda wanted the 1100s, but they really are too big for any room I'm likely to have. So the LFR-880s are much more in line with what I need, maybe even 660s.

I'll still probably get the top-of-the-line DSP, because I like XLR jacks.
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#398153 - 10/25/13 04:00 PM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: ClubNeon]
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I'm in the same boat Chris. I actually had to 'down grade' from M80s to M60s due to a lack of space in my HT. The 660's might just be the perfect compromise for my situation.
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#398157 - 10/25/13 09:46 PM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: ClubNeon]
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Fascinating…
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#398164 - 10/25/13 10:53 PM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: ClubNeon]
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Note that the above video and further details on the new speakers and processors are in today's Newletter .
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#398166 - 10/26/13 06:21 AM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: ClubNeon]
CV Online   confused
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Out of curiosity, has much listening been done with an 880 or 660 as a center channel?

I apologize if I missed it somewhere.

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#398167 - 10/26/13 06:22 AM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: Ken.C]
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Originally Posted By: Ken.C
Fascinating…

Did anyone else read that in a Spock voice?
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#398168 - 10/26/13 06:56 AM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: JohnK]
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Originally Posted By: JohnK
Note that the above video and further details on the new speakers and processors are in today's Newletter .


John, I think your copy of the link didn't happen how you intended.

October 2013 newsletter

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#398169 - 10/26/13 06:59 AM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: michael_d]
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Originally Posted By: michael_d
I actually had to 'down grade' from M80s to M60s due to a lack of space in my HT. The 660's might just be the perfect compromise for my situation.


WTF is this!?!? Have you all gone completely daft? It's like I don't even recognize this place anymore.

There's a 5" height difference between 60's and 80's (and a measly 2" more depth). Maybe it'd be an issue in our guest room with the 67" ceilings?

The only question that needs to be posed is, "Will they fit through the (garage) door?"
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#398171 - 10/26/13 07:10 AM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: ClubNeon]
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This video was the first I'd heard about those speakers at all.
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#398179 - 10/26/13 09:45 AM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: ClubNeon]
Ken.C Offline
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Ah, thank you gmail spam filter… found the newsletter. Very cool stuff.
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#398181 - 10/26/13 01:05 PM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: ClubNeon]
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Bobby -
Not saying I ain't daft. But....
The 80's need more space behind them than the 60's, and five inches in height is a lot if you need to place them under your screen.

I would have been nice to know about these speakers when they were offering a trade up...
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#398182 - 10/26/13 01:10 PM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: ClubNeon]
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Tell me about it, Mike…
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#398183 - 10/26/13 01:20 PM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: ClubNeon]
tomtuttle Offline
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Ken, I think the video is the first public mention of the 660, 880 and DSP lineup.

I'm also curious about center channel provisions for the DSP. It looks like Axiom is currently doing the VP 160/180. I'd like to know if there is possibility for a vertical center, and if there is any benefit to an omnipolar center.
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#398184 - 10/26/13 02:28 PM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: ClubNeon]
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I'd also like to hear more about that Tom.
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#398185 - 10/26/13 02:32 PM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: ClubNeon]
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I had asked about a vertical center consideration for the DSP a while back and they confirmed it was possible (with the M80).
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#398200 - 10/27/13 10:28 AM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: michael_d]
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"Mikey" (I won't if you won't):

That is, of course, a very valid point about screen/tower heights. It's so much more about the music for me. I'm not too concerned that, compared to the 60's, the 100's are going to eat the room in more way than one. Damn the torpedoes (which is the name Bill will give them, preceded by an f-bomb)! Let the house rock!
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#398203 - 10/27/13 12:57 PM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: ClubNeon]
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When are they due to come in, Bob?
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#398206 - 10/27/13 01:18 PM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: ClubNeon]
Ian Offline
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I have made a full post about the new LFR models in the What's New section. I also posted information about the new High Powered versions of the M60, M60, VP160, and VP180. This is a big week for new products!
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#398219 - 10/27/13 05:05 PM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: ClubNeon]
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I wonder how many will read this and say "I need to get me those they will be loud, they are high powered."?
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#398220 - 10/27/13 05:36 PM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: jakewash]
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THE NEXT THING

Though only a couple of you have mentioned it here in print, I think it’s something that’s frequently on the minds of many.

When considering ordering the 100’s, I thought a lot about obsolescence. The v3’s have been shipping since late summer of 2009. When will there be v4’s? Will they begin shipping 6 months from now? Of course, the more pressing questions for each of us who may be ordering stuff now might be, “HTF is that gonna make me feel? Am I gonna be pissed, despondent? Will they have to increase my psych meds?” (Well, OK, only a few of us will be asking that last question, with many more of you lying YAO.)

What about the timing of the Axiom promotions? What about a promotion’s inclusions/exclusions? Again, am I going to feel, at the very least, annoyed?

The pace at which the Dynamics Duo is bringing both improved products and new products to market is not only remarkable, but approaching the changeling pace of the computer and cellphone industries. With so much going on “up there,” the amount of thought and planning that goes into promotions of any kind, the release of a new product, etc., has to consume a great deal of time and effort to do what’s best for Axiom to keep chugging at the pace they have been.

So, like I had to learn a long while ago, something will always come along that really catches your eye (and heart, and imagination) that says, “O.K. Now! Pull!” It could be a great price on something, new features, significant improvements to existing ones, all of the above, etc. The only way to hedge your bets with all things electronic is to get “it” the first week it’s available, thus ensuring the longest time as “state-of-the-art.” However, we are all aware of the expense of being a leading-edge consumer (bleeding edge consumer) and being, 3 years later, the only person you know with a 42” HDTV with one HDMI input. There’s usually a personal vow/blood oath involved at some point after that. It’s just how it all works.

I realized that ordering new speakers in 2013 is no different. Timing is simply doing the best one can do with the information one has at the moment. Of course, there are industries where that can be violated to one’s advantage, but remember----Martha went to jail for that. Then there are industries that send you a personal email offering you “such a deal,” you go all schmeckus and pull all sorts of triggers. “Whoa, shit! They read my f’mind. Even though I didn’t know it until this second, this is JUST what I’ve always wanted.” Right, Brent?

Many of you are too young to have seen American autos change every model, every year. We are not talking a new tail light treatment or grille, but whole new sheet metal, profile, interior, color choices, the whole schmear. At least I got to be there at the birth of planned obsolescence. By the 70’s, American mfgrs. realized that you could sell more new stuff even faster if you not only make it look old in < 3 years, but make it begin to fall apart then, too! Yeah! That’s how ya do it.

So, live in the moment, my friends. These times forbid any other options without being left behind. (Or far worse---FEELING like (others think that) you’ve been left behind.)
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#398292 - 10/29/13 10:21 PM Re: LFR-880 and LFR-660 [Re: BobKay]
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Originally Posted By: BobKay
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Many of you are too young to have seen American autos change every model, every year. We are not talking a new tail light treatment or grille, but whole new sheet metal, profile, interior, color choices, the whole schmear. At least I got to be there at the birth of planned obsolescence. By the 70’s, American mfgrs. realized that you could sell more new stuff even faster if you not only make it look old in < 3 years, but make it begin to fall apart then, too! Yeah! That’s how ya do it.
..

Ian must have skipped out that day in manufacturing school. My M80s show no signs of falling apart and still sound damned good. Good enough that I can't justify replacing them.

Sigh, I'll just have to live vicariously through you Bob.
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