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#404436 - 05/20/14 08:19 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: exlabdriver]
iloveturbo Offline
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Originally Posted By: exlabdriver
Perhaps you could get another sub & hook it up in truly 2 Channel (Stereo) mode.
This way they are truly 2 CH Stereo with the nice ability to dial in the bass response the way that makes you happy....

TAM


TAM, you just gave me some ideas. Time to do some experiment. Thanks for the suggestion. Cheers~

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#404437 - 05/20/14 10:16 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
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Howard, welcome to Axiom for you and your gorgeous media room. When you say that the "lower range" is a bit lacking in the M80, I assume that you mean is that the low frequency extension isn't as low as you'd like on some 2-channel material, not that what's there isn't loud enough. If so, neither the M100 or LFR1100 may be the best solution. These speakers have a low frequency extension quite similar to that of the M80 but are able to play at an even louder level in the low bass because of the three woofers they use. For greater bass extension with 2-channel material the efficient move is to use one or two subwoofers crossed over at perhaps 60 or 80Hz.

You shouldn't feel that somehow using just main speakers is a "purer" approach, since subs, both by their inherent design and by being able to be placed better for bass reproduction, simply can do a better job than the mains can alone.
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#404443 - 05/21/14 06:32 AM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: JohnK]
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Originally Posted By: JohnK

You shouldn't feel that somehow using just main speakers is a "purer" approach, since subs, both by their inherent design and by being able to be placed better for bass reproduction, simply can do a better job than the mains can alone.


Well said. I guess I was a too stuck up on the whole "pureness" setup I had for my B&W 804 Diamond speakers. Come to think of it there really isn't downside of putting the sub I got to work.

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#404452 - 05/21/14 09:44 AM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
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Howard,

Following what John has said, if you think about it. Pair of 800D’s each have a 12” woofer. So, they essentially have a “subwoofer” built into the cabinet, they are just being powered by your two channel amp instead of a dedicated amp.


I’ve got a pair of LFR’s in my main room; which I use for home theater, as well as stereo. I also have a pair of EP 600’s. The 600’s are oriented such that each one is next to an LRF. I can say the LFR’s are amazing both in stereo, as well as in an HT application.

The best way I can convey the difference between the LFR and a pair of M60/M80 speaker is..

They open up the sound stage in a way that going to a play, or going to the symphony does. If you think about the difference between a live performance as compared to watching the same performance on TV even with a HT system, there is still an audible difference.. That’s about the best comparison that I can make. When you’re at the symphony, the instruments radiate sound in all directions, and by the design of the hall those sound waves are re-directed towards the audience. You hear both the direct and indirect sound waves. I think the LFR’s do a good job at replicating this phenomenon. They make your room “seem” much larger than it actually is. The room mine are in are 17feet/18feet.

Also, I have not found any issue with placement. Mine are about 2-3 feet off of the wall, and towed in. I’ve tied moving them around a decent amount, and they always sound good.


Hope this helps.

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#404457 - 05/21/14 10:57 AM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: dakkon]
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Originally Posted By: dakkon
I think the LFR’s do a good job at replicating this phenomenon. They make your room “seem” much larger than it actually is. The room mine are in are 17feet/18feet.

Also, I have not found any issue with placement. Mine are about 2-3 feet off of the wall, and towed in. I’ve tied moving them around a decent amount, and they always sound good.

Hope this helps.


Dakkon, that's the answer I was looking for. So LFR series does in fact implement well with the rest of Axiom HT components. That's good to know, thanks!!

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#404458 - 05/21/14 11:07 AM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
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i wonder what would the difference be between the M80s and the LFRs.

when listening through my M80s in Stereo, if the acoustic recording is good, and the volume is set exactly right, then my room totally disappears and takes on a specific size for each disc i listen to.
the main difference when using a surround mode is the fact that the illusion is more complete and solid on the back side of the room.

for me, the surprise comes when i play a piece of music where i find the apparent room is the same size as my real room. they both seem to coincide in size.
some other times, the superimposed room seems limitless...

how would the LFRs improve on this? i just can't imagine...


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#404466 - 05/21/14 01:06 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
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J.B.

The LFR’s are a completely different animal. While one can obtain very good imaging with a pair of stereo speakers, the experience is completely different with the LFR’s. The best comparison that I can think of is the one above with the symphony. I guess it’s one of those intangible/ unquantifiable experiences. Sure, we can look at the response graphs ect. But, those do not convey the LFR experience at all…

I would say that the LFR’s are the hardest speaker in Axioms line up to convey the experience over the internet……

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#404469 - 05/21/14 01:25 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
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thanks dakkon.

too bad my room is too small for the LFRs, at around 9 x 9 x 16 Ft.
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#404470 - 05/21/14 01:42 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
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All this talk got me interested in possibly getting a set of LFR1100. My room size is around 35 x 40 x 8 feet so this large extreme large sound stage is very tempting.

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#404473 - 05/21/14 02:13 PM Re: M100 or LFR1100 [Re: iloveturbo]
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Howard,

What will you be using for amplification? Keep in mind the LFR’s require 2 channels of amplification per speaker. So, you will need 4 channels. If you are using different amps, all channels should have the same gain; however they do not need to have the same power rating. The amp that is powering my front drivers is considerably more powerful than the amp powering my rear drivers.

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