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Re: A genuine Invitation to Joey.
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Jack, You are right except one thing, take fear out of it. I never thought he would take me up on it. Noone wants blind testing as a part of opinion already stated... too hard to live up to. Remember my Rock-Papers-Scissors joke ?

Re: A genuine Invitation to Joey.
#52265 07/16/04 03:14 AM
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Silly me! One of the things my friends appreciate about my getting old, is that I forget their old jokes, so they get to tell them to me all over again. Refresh my memory!


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Re: A genuine Invitation to Joey.
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Ok... If you remember, I somewhat preferred the ELT-Cse over the M22Ti... and the Ascend 170 was a slight winner (1 point out of 80) over the ELT... If I did a blind test again, and the, for example, M-22 beat the 170, would that be a Rock-Paper-Scissors ? ... Blind testing can really make a fool out of ... well... anyone

Re: A genuine Invitation to Joey.
#52267 07/16/04 03:35 AM
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I remember now. I had forgotten. Uh.......huh?.......What did I forget? Oh Well!


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Re: A genuine Invitation to Joey.
#52268 07/16/04 03:38 AM
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Forget blind testing... Your natural state is better than drugs...

Re: A genuine Invitation to Joey.
#52269 07/18/04 03:53 AM
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craig,

more than willing to have that blind test with you except that you live so far and i have far more pressing matters than audio comparison... but your offer is mighty enticing i must say.

joey


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Re: A genuine Invitation to Joey.
#52270 07/18/04 03:59 AM
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No surprise. You were right, Craig.


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Re: A genuine Invitation to Joey.
#52271 07/18/04 05:11 AM
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Ajax... I know from where you come on this... Joey... I have been involved in blind testing since before you were born. Starting in 1977 to be exact. You decided to disagree with me on HTS about my position about your "review", and this was AFTER I complimented you on it (the review).

So we are clear, the review itself, though lacking anything approaching scientific in nature, was well written. Then you decided your feelings were bruised here. Posting this review here was nothing short of insulting.

You have been offer a chance to prove your findings, at my expense, but your time is too valuable. Nice try on this, but you, young man, have a lot to learn.

Re: A genuine Invitation to Joey.
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I cant disagree with you craig? BTW, thanks for the shill remark.

I never said I knew everything neither did I mention that I knew enough about audio because I dont. I am so new to this hobby that compared to you, I have nil experience... you did not have to make that remark about your being involved in blind testing since before I was born - I get it you know.

I was being sincere in my saying that your offer is enticing and I would take it if I had the time and capability to (med school starts in 3 weeks, I am booked for work at the hospital for the next 2.5 weeks). I said "enticing" and I meant it, I really really wanted to hear the Onix Reference 3 that you have, the B4, your 4 UFWs. I was even trying to think of what kind of conversations we would have and my learning much from my visit with you. However, at this moment in time, there is no plausible way I can pay this visit to you. I would love to do the blind-test but I cant. I cant put audio before all my other priorities and obligations, atleast not to this magnitude of an audio adventure.

Sorry I cant go.

Oh, before I forget to mention it, thanks again for calling me a shill. Appreciate it very much Craig. Lastly, nice try on editing your post and removing your great comment.


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Re: A genuine Invitation to Joey.
#52273 07/18/04 02:20 PM
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Joey, I edited it within minutes pf postng it because I thought it was harsh. YOU are the one who decided it needed printed permanently. YOU are the one who decided to teach these guys a lesson. When you start saying things like "The Axiom's soundstage was DESTROYED" ... etc... on the Axiom board, you have violated the concept of good manners.

You are now trying to make up for this by posting how great Axiom speakers are again. They are on heck of a speaker, but here is some advice about being a reviewer, should you decide you DO have the time for a review.

Review the product with the idea of getting the best performance from it.

Not with the idea that "You have every right to show those guys that Joey can write a review".

I have nothing against you personally, but I do think you decided to punish these guys for "taking shots" at you.

Had I done the same after the beating I took from the Hsu forum, the VTF-3 would have been savaged.

Jack can chime in here, he witnessed the carnage first hand.

Be at peace, Joey... and enjoy your Polks.

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