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#53039 - 08/23/04 01:31 PM Re: OT: politics
mhorgel Offline
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Registered: 10/02/03
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Loc: Louisville, KY
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Unity behind a president who put our country into an existing war, (in no small part) as a result of a direct attack on our soil, is a no-brainer.




pmbuko, you hang yourself with your own words. What you describe above is exactly what happened after 9/11! The ongoing war (slain marines in Lebanon, the first attempt at WTC bombing, the USS Kohl) came to US soil, and to follow our president is, as you put it, a "no-brainer".

Maybe we haven't found Saddam's WMD's yet. We know they were there because we sold them to him! There was universal acceptance before we invaded Iraq that there were WMD's there. John Kerry even said so. Therefore, Saddam hid them (or sent them over the border to Syria) before the invasion.

Maybe Saddam wasn't directly responsible for 9/11. He was still a brutal dictator with WMD's, and a threat to US interests. Iraq is much better off now than they were 2 years ago. Iraquis were glad to see Saddam go. I worked with an Iraqi every day who had family still in Baghdad, and despite her worries about them, she supported the war.

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#53040 - 08/23/04 05:22 PM Re: OT: politics
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Registered: 04/02/03
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What you describe above is exactly what happened after 9/11!


That's not how I see it. Yes, there was an existing conflict between non-overtly sanctioned international fundamentalist Muslim forces and the West. But the evidence linking Iraq to any such forces is scarce.

The fact that he possessed WMDs at some point was never in question. More important than posession, however, is intent. Was Saddam a real risk to our national interests? Highly debatable. That's the crux of the issue.

Hitler and his allies WERE a clear threat to our national interests. He happened to rise to power at a time when isolationism was our country's modus operandi, and it's easy to blame our lack of earlier action on the blinders that resulted from such non-forward-thinking policy.
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#53041 - 08/23/04 06:28 PM Re: OT: politics
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
Saddam also hatched a plot to assassinate Bush Sr. Seems like an enemy to me.

I read a NY Times article that had been reprinted in todays local paper that stated Al-Sadr's young recruits are paid $400 per month to join the militia. Where do you suspect that money is coming from? I'd bet dollars to donuts it's coming from Iran. In my book that makes Iran our enemy... just as Saddam's funding of, and support for, terrorists made him our enemy.

Regardless, it's just as easy today to tell the good guys from the bad guys as it was in WWII.

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#53042 - 08/23/04 06:40 PM Re: OT: politics
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Registered: 03/16/02
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Loc: CA, USA
The Ba'athist regime in Iraq and the Ba'athist regime in Syria are Nazi governments, yes, that's correct - totalitarian national socialist police states which make war on their neighbors and threaten world peace. The dirty little secret of WWII was that France was essentially an enthusiastic member of the Neue Weltordenung, so it's not surprising that France is so friendly with the Nazis of Syria and Iraq. Except for France, we took care of the Nazis in Europe and removed a totalitarian nationalist socialist police state in Iraq. Good job!!!

So much for the atttempts at 'secular' government in that part of the world. What can we say about Islamic Jihadists? They are also totalitarian fascists who are making war on the world, and who have attacked us, and hurt us badly - they hate our freedom, they hate our religions, they hate our success, they hate our music and they hate that this is where the party is happening.

If GWB took out Iraq because he believed they had WMD and that it was even conceivable that they would share those weapons with Jihadists through back-door support, then I'm more than OK with it. OK, I would like to see Muqtadar Al'Sadr's head on a pike, that's true, but all in all, a good effort.

Iran and its mullahs who execute 16 year old girls because they have sharp tongues will, thanks to the French and Russians, have nuclear weapons soon. They have to go.

Just my opinion.
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#53043 - 08/23/04 08:21 PM Re: OT: politics
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Registered: 12/15/03
Posts: 1306
2x6 ... Wow !... I am speechless here. So.. VERY WELL SAID !!!
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#53044 - 08/23/04 08:23 PM Re: OT: politics
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Registered: 04/02/03
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Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
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Iran and its mullahs who execute 16 year old girls because they have sharp tongues will, thanks to the French and Russians, have nuclear weapons soon. They have to go.


I read about that today, too. Scary to think that events like this are just shrugged off or lauded in that country.
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#53045 - 08/23/04 08:31 PM Re: OT: politics
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Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6251
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
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Wow !... I am speechless here.


OH? (in a John Wayne voice) Wul' that'll be the day, pilgrim.
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#53046 - 08/23/04 08:33 PM Re: OT: politics
craigsub Offline
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Registered: 12/15/03
Posts: 1306
Ok... Who the hell woke up Father Time ? ...
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#53047 - 08/23/04 08:34 PM Re: OT: politics
Ajax Offline
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Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6251
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
[raspberry]
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#53048 - 08/23/04 08:35 PM Re: OT: politics
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Registered: 12/15/03
Posts: 1306
PM... I think I can speak even for BigWill on this one... We even want liberals safe from terrorists... you included ! ...
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