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#53609 - 09/23/04 04:01 PM Re: OT: Politics
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No, very surprisingly I did not have to consult the thesaurus for that one. However, I did need to a couple weeks ago while I was reading one of my father-in-law's occasional e-mail updates. He avoids cliches like the plague, and we all end up with expanded vocabularies as a result.
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#53610 - 09/23/04 04:18 PM Re: OT: Politics
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Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
If we started a new politics thread this one might eventually disappear. Maybe the new one will be more focussed on the coming election? And everybody's old indefensible positions and contradictory statements can be forgotten.

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#53611 - 09/23/04 05:45 PM Re: OT: Politics
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OK, but I'd rather not forget Bush's indefensible positions.


Ooooh. BURN! Sorry, I had to.

And now for something not incompletely different: Bush is an embarassment to real men
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#53612 - 09/23/04 06:28 PM Re: OT: Politics
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Oh that was a disappointing link. I was hoping for more of a fact based exposition on his cheerleading days, and whatever other wimpy stuff he did. Having "cheerleader" on your resume - for a guy at least - is just embarassing. No offense to you ex-cheerleaders.

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#53613 - 09/24/04 10:44 AM Re: OT: Politics
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In reply to:

BigWill, please remember to set the post topics to OT: Politics when you reply, for chesseroo's sake.




I kinda liked it better when it was called "Holy crap"
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#53614 - 09/24/04 07:05 PM Re: OT: Politics - Holy Crap!
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Anybody else surprised by the way Kerry has lashed out with such sudden negativity about the Iraq war? During the primaries - when his opposition was anti-war Dean - he waved the flag and said he agreed with the war. Now he's anti-war?
It seems like this should have been his position all along based on his history of Vietnam protest/slander, liberal voting record in the Senate, and what may be a tiny itsy-bitsy little piece of ideology (it's hard to tell if he actually has any real beliefs because he takes a different position everyday - depending on who the viewing audience is).
I understand the desire to be President must be huge to these guys, but c'mon, there has to be some limit to this stuff, don't you think?

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#53615 - 09/24/04 07:24 PM Re: OT: Politics - Holy Crap!
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Whoever is running his campaign needs to be fired, that's for sure.
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#53616 - 09/24/04 07:58 PM Re: OT: Politics - Wow, Just Wow...
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This is so frickin' sad. An American woman who converted to Islam, who is also a college basketball player, wants to wear long sleeves and pants on the court, so people insult her and call her a terrorist.

This sort of thing makes me sick.
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#53617 - 09/25/04 12:32 AM Re: OT: Politics - Wow, Just Wow...
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Registered: 03/16/02
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That makes you sick? This past week we have suffered 2 Americans slaughtered - murdered, their murderers cut of their heads, and was it 2 or 3 Italian women, aid workers, who were also slaughtered, more murderers cut their heads cut off. The murderers prayed while they cut the heads off the bodies of these human beings. That makes me sick. That's no way to celebrate the creator of us all, don't you think? Something has gone very wrong in that culture, very sick. Any Fatwahs condemning these murderers to death? No. But Salman Rushdie, who wrote a novel which offended the faithful, he is the subject of a death Fatwah. What's wrong here?


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#53618 - 09/25/04 07:56 AM Re: OT: Politics
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PM - I will agree with you that it's tragic that this girl is taking this kind of beating for something that would have gone unnoticed a few years ago. Unfortunately, it's to be expected. The writer of the article states the obvious that there are both doctors and Bush-supporters that are faithful Muslims. Of course, that's true. I don't think that anyone with any semblance of an education would disagree. However, there's a significant segment of the population that will lash out in anger at those seeking to change or disrupt their sheltered lives. Take that recipe and add 9/11 and the recent disgusting beheadings and you have yourself a pressure-cooker that's going to blow. This girl just happens to be the present focus of that anger.

Now, with the PC compassionate stuff taken care of, I have to say that this article perplexes me a bit. I've often wondered how American-born Muslim women resist the temptation to just say screw it and not follow the strict appearance guidelines of their religion. Living day-to-day amongst American women, you would think that the younger women would get a taste of the freedom and rebel. Oh well, I guess the fear of Allah striking them down is enough to keep them in line....or at least any male relative who got offended when he sees her ankle.

Now, that brings us back to this girl. What I can't seem to understand is how Christian women can convert to Islam when they must know about the documented widespread abuse and oppression of women in the Muslim world. I can understand that the core teaching may have attracted her, but I don't see how an educated woman could make a conscious decision to take part in something that openly oppresses women and is complicit in an unending flow of vicious, vile, and hate-filled violence at the hands of Islamic terrorists who commit these acts under the authority (in their minds) of Allah and Islam. But, that is me imposing my value system on someone else.....It just doesn't make sense to me.

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