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#53829 - 10/13/04 05:54 PM Re: OT: Politics
2x6spds Offline
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Registered: 03/16/02
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I sleep well right now with a President that is as pissed off as I am about these parasites out there trying to end my child's life because she lives in a country that doesn't want to oppress her and perhaps stone her for talking back to her husband.



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You had me going until this point. I fundamentally disagree with you that this is the primary reason we were attacked -- and are being attacked.
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And here we have what I've been waiting for from PMB "this is the primary reason we were attacked -- and are being attacked." Right, PMB, it's our fault the IslamoFascists attacked us - we did something wrong, we offended them. What a crock, what a mentality!

Israel offers the PLA 97% of the land won by Israel in wars, the PLA not only rejects the Israeli peace offer, but blows up busses, Pizza parlors, Passover celebrations, stabs a pregnant woman and her 3 infant children, all to the Huzzahs of the 'Arab street.' The uma (panArabia) doesn't like US policy, so they murder THOUSANDS of Americans in the twin towers, Pentagon and the passengers on 3 airliners, or they blow up the USS Cole, or Khobar Towers, or shoot Leon Klinghoffer and throw his body and wheel chair over the side of the cruise ship they commandeered. Must have been something we did.

The subtext of PMB's argument starts with the IslamoFascists don't like our policy and that "is the primary reason we were attacked -- and are being attacked," and leads inelluctably to the proposition, "what can we do to make them happy so they won't attack us again." The Chirac government has bent all the way over and still French journalists are taken hostage and are threatened with beheading because some group of IslamoFascists doesn't like French policy regarding the ban on headscarves in public schools. PMB doesn't get it, we are dealing with a mentality which deems no hill so small that it's not worth murdering for.

PMB, you're wrong, we did NOTHING to cause the 20 Saudis and Egyptians to murder us in New York, Washington DC and Pennsylvania. If you see their point, why don't you come out and explain it to us?

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#53830 - 10/13/04 06:14 PM Re: OT: Politics
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It all comes down to what's the plan and where does it end. I don't think we've gotten that far, we are just in get the terrorist mode at all costs.




It ends when the terrorists realize that attacking the US would hurt them more than it hurts us.
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#53831 - 10/13/04 06:33 PM Re: OT: Politics
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Who is 'them', though? A country? A loose organization? An individual?
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#53832 - 10/13/04 07:55 PM Re: OT: Politics
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Registered: 05/01/03
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How about instituting a new version of MAD? "If there is another terrorist attack on US civilians we will bomb the Islamic holy site of ____________."
Would that be a deterrent to Muslim terrorists? Would it save innocent lives? It certainly would be roundly criticized, but if it works...?

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#53833 - 10/13/04 08:12 PM Re: OT: Politics
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Forget nukes. I say we breed 'em out!
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#53834 - 10/13/04 09:09 PM Re: OT: Politics
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Yes, PMB, the much vaunted Arab "demographic weapon," we should enter into a contest and attempt to match the superb accomplishment of the uma which aspires to breed themselves into demographic supremacy but which has only succeeded in breeding themselves into increasing poverty and misery.
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#53835 - 10/13/04 09:24 PM Re: OT: Politics
Zarak Offline
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Registered: 03/09/03
Posts: 1849
Loc: PA
Prima noctes from Braveheart?

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#53836 - 10/14/04 01:38 AM Re: OT: Politics
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
No nukes - just regular old bombs. Blast the sacred remains of Sheik Ali and his forty cats all over the desert.

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#53837 - 10/14/04 09:17 AM Re: OT: Politics
jorge016 Offline
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Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 246
Loc: Minnesota
The dreaded Democratic road to socialism-tired old rhetoric. Turbo, there's a basic tenet of our gov't, basic but brilliant, called checks and balances. It has worked pretty well since the days of the Founding Fathers and continues to work today. It keeps us from the extremes and keeps the neo-conservtives and ultra-liberals in check.
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#53838 - 10/14/04 12:15 PM Re: OT: Politics
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Registered: 03/09/03
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Loc: PA
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Zarak - I would not expect the US to attack any other countries in the near future. Diplomacy is at work as we speak.....it will be a bumpy road, but it's already in the works in both Iran and N.Korea. Your response is going to be that we didn't use diplomacy in Iraq, so why should we expect to see it elsewhere. My response has been covered numerous times in this thread. We attacked Iraq because we could. They were in direct violation of the UN sanctions, thhey had been playing cat and mouse w/ the UN/US for over 10 years, they had a documented inventory of weapons following the first war, and they had a documented and undisputed intent to gather more weapons. The green flag was there and there was no reason to believe that Iraq was ever going to fully abide by all of the sanctions. In the climate we were in, the President "took the shot". I don't want to get back into the argument about whether it was a good decision, etc. I'm just saying that the Iraq situation is completely different than both Iran and N.Korea.




This is a war on terror though, right? Not just Afghanastan and Iraq. We may be using diplomacy with these other countries, but the leaders aren't always where the terror originates from. There are terrorist groups in lots of different countries. How does the war with those terrorist groups proceed?

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