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Re: Tubes?
#55783 07/28/04 05:53 AM
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Question: why then do musicians still prefer tube gear (live and recording) over solid state? Personally I have both (Threshold SS and Quicksilver tube amps)and enjoy both. Oh Yes the tubes are awefully purty to look at.

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Re: Tubes?
#55784 07/28/04 06:10 AM
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Hi Tracerec

I can relate. I have 1 tube amp, an ASL MG S1 15DT 5 wpc SET integrated, and 7 solid state amps:

Anthem PVA 5 (5 channel)
Yamaha M80 2 channel
Onkyo M-504 2 channel
Kenwood KA9100 2 channel
3 Onkyo M282 2 channel amps.

I think the big Yamaha is the most musical, the big Onk M504, next most musical, the Anthem is excellent, and the Onkyo 282s are very nice. For kicking back and listening in 2 channel, my personal favorite is the tubie. The others are also very nice.


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#55785 07/28/04 06:33 AM
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2x6, get your head out of your ass. Your somewhat "remedial", petty tagline is enough of an indication of your negative leanings. Attacking someone for an honest question because you're so into your own little world of tube amps that anyone who questions it makes you feel like you have to put them down on something so small as their gramar on a leisure board is beyond stupid.

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#55786 07/28/04 08:05 AM
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I meant to say that the Yamaha is the most musical of my solid state amps.

Ksimple, I didn't think the kid's question was "honest." I could be wrong. As to your post, well, why don't you have another drink and kick your dog, you'll feel better.


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#55787 07/28/04 08:18 AM
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ksimple,

Why don't you take your own advice and tone it down a smidge, hmmm?

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#55788 07/28/04 08:39 AM
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pmb, I don't think you've kept up with this conversation. I thought I responded to Ksimple's suggestion that my head is up my ass and that I'm stupid with a fair amount of grace. If you don't, well, that's your problem.


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#55789 07/28/04 08:55 AM
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did you even read my post?

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#55790 07/28/04 10:06 AM
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Dude, 2x6, turn off the auto-attack for a second and you'd realize that Peter was talking to ksimple, not you.

That said, I must admit to being interested in trying out a tube system. Sure in the purest terms an amp shouldn't be an instrument, but if the effect it imparts on the music is pleasing to your ears, then whether or not it distorts the signal or has dips or whatever shouldn't be much of a factor then. Yes there are some inherent drawbacks, but if it suits you, then it suits you.

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#55791 07/28/04 01:01 PM
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I feel a lack of love in here. I'm not even going to bring up my cable question...

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#55792 07/28/04 01:51 PM
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2x6:

It's perfectly fine for you to enjoy tube gear. It's kind of analogous to appreciating vintage automobiles. I love the old 1950s cars (a friend has a refurbished '57 Chevy Bel Aire) that I rode around in as a teenager. But I wouldn't suggest that those clumsy old boats drive and handle anything like a modern Honda or BMW.

It's nostalgia, affection for older technology, so enjoy it as such. But suggesting that tube gear has mystical or magical properties is ridiculous. The comment about shopping for a tube-driven computer is apt. One of my early jobs in broadcasting was at local TV station that owned and still used one of the first professional Ampex black&white videotape recorders. It was an all-tube unit that occupied and entire room--racks and racks of tube gear. It generated so much heat that it had its own dedicated air-conditioning system.

If you follow the tube analogy through, that vacuum-tube design somehow confers superior performance through unexplained and mysterious circuitry or some other magical properties, then it would only make sense for us to use tube-based VCRs to achieve more realistic image reproduction, wouldn't it?

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