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Re: love/hate relationship with football and my DLP
#63655 10/08/04 05:10 PM
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Inevitably there will be compression artifacts that will show up, and in my view these may be exacerbated by further processing in the line-doublers in HD sets. On my Time-Warner box, I can choose what it will output and there are discernible differences.



Just to add to what Alan mentioned - the compression used for almost all NTSC video signals is a reduction of the resolution of the chroma (colour) side. Betacam is 4:2:2, meaning for every 2x2 block (a 4 pixel square) of discrete luminance (brightness) values (timed against the video subcarrier), there is only 1 discrete value of chroma. That brings the bandwidth required down from ~31MB/s to ~15.5MB/s. And for a normal NTSC tube, this is a darned good tradeoff.

1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4

1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4

Imagine this as part of your TV line - it has 16 distinct luma values (one on each of the pixels shown by numerals) but every group of 4 only has one colour value (all "same" numbers will have the same chroma value) - so if, say, one of the groups has two pixels from a maroon Texas A&M jersey and two pixels from the green grass, the colour behind all four pixels will be halfway between the two colours.

Problem is, once it hits a line doubler/up-res-er in a HD TV, resolution in the luminance channel is half the subcarrier, and chroma becomes a quarter of the subcarrier... still with me?

Now you have the following:

11 11 22 22
11 11 22 22

11 11 22 22
11 11 22 22

33 33 44 44
33 33 44 44

33 33 44 44
33 33 44 44

Each group of 4 pixels has a single luminance value and the group of 16 with the same number has the same chroma value.

Ouch.

Hope this made sense. I took a few liberties about the line doubling scale so I didn't have to worry about sub-pixel values, and pixels are realy phosphors in the analog domain, but you get the idea.

For those who care - DVCAM is 4:1:1, meaning it's 16 luma values for each chroma which is why, despite what product lit says, it is NOT broadcast quality.

Bren R.

Re: love/hate relationship with football and my DLP
#63656 10/08/04 05:31 PM
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Oops, also forgot to mention that all this was under "perfect" conditions... ie: you running the original source tape into your HDTV off a Beta VTR.

Add in the satellite broadcast compression and every other bit of ick... and you'll wonder that you get a signal at all.

Bren R.

Re: love/hate relationship with football and my DLP
#63657 10/09/04 01:45 AM
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What I have heard about sports is that the superior format is 720p because the progressive scan deals better with the movement. When we are seeing a poor picture we may be seeing 480i or 480p, both considered HD by some channels.

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