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Working in the inside for over 10 years, dealing with reps, manufacturers, technicians, and those who specialize in Home Theater Design and Installation who hold the same opinion of Onkyo receivers will not make it scientific fact Pete. You are using the "scientific" approach to try and disprove the opinions of others just because a view of a product you own is unfavorable? In the end does it really matter though? You, not me, are going to be the one who decides what you like; and, if you like your Onkyo unit then that should be good enough for you regardless of what any one else says. If a thousand people believe that Onkyo produces excessively bright receivers, that doesn't make it fact. Anyone have scientific proof that Bose actually does suck? There are many MANY people at the AVS Forum who believe that Axiom speakers are overly bright; it doesn't make it fact and at the same time, there is no scientific fact that Axiom speakers aren't overly bright. Like BB said, it is all opinion.

Joema,

this is very interesting. My question is: are the receivers being blind tested in the same price range?

Until I can do some testing myself, I wonder if a $1000 receiver sounds much better than a $200 one. I know that for guitars the answer is yes (with an IMHO qualifier).

Vu~

haanhvu
I have a $350.00 Seagull S6 Folk that (in my opinion, my guitar instructors opinion, and at least two pro musicians opinion) sounded and played much better than the $1000.00 Martin I used to own and several other guitars including a $2000.00 Taylor and a $?.00 RainSong guitar.
Of course it sounds and plays better (IMHO) than most of the other more expensive Seagulls I've heard and or played.
I've been told that I bought a jewel.
Just fuel for the fire.

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There are many MANY people at the AVS Forum who believe that Axiom speakers are overly bright; it doesn't make it fact and at the same time, there is no scientific fact that Axiom speakers aren't overly bright. Like BB said, it is all opinion.

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Right, but if someone says "It's commonly known that Axioms are excessively bright," do you see how that statement is both untrue and misleading?

Bray,

this is scary! I have the exact same Seagull guitar, bought for the exact same price. There's something going on about me and canadian goods.

Vu~

I've got scientific proof that Bose sucks. Have you ever seen the response curves on those things?

Adam: "It is commonly known that Axioms are excessively bright" refers to everyone...everywhere. I only referd to those on the "inside" in the "industry." "It is commonly known at the AVS Forum that Axiom speakers are overly bright" would be more accurate.

Ken: Scientific proof or not, Bose does suck!

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are the receivers being blind tested in the same price range?

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No they are often radically different price ranges. Comparing a Radio Shack receiver to a Krell is perfectly OK. Even picking such diverse products, nobody has yet reliably identified any audible difference in blind tests.

That said, there are perfectly legitimate reason for picking a certain amp or receiver. It may have specific features you want. The aesthetic design could be more pleasing. The power rating could be better. The menu system, owner's manual, or technical support could be better.

Some amp/receiver features could be very important. Degree and type of bass management, DSP modes, type of stereo-to-surround synthesis (PLII, Logic 7), connectivity to player (e.g. Denon Dlink) could be major issues.

Regarding Axiom speakers sounding "bright", that's totally different from amplifiers. Axiom speakers can be reliably identified from other speakers in blind tests. Whether you call them bright, accurate, etc. is a subjective term. What not debatable is they (and most other speakers) audibly differ from each other.

Under the same test conditions people cannot identify specific amplifiers.

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It is commonly known at the AVS Forum that Axiom speakers are overly bright" would be more accurate.

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It is commonly ALLEGED at the AVS Forum that Axiom speakers are overly bright" would be even more accurate. Again, "known" implies fact; "alleged" properly leaves room for doubt.

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known implies fact

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Maybe Jack. "Implies," but not fact. What known actually means: discovered, revealed, public, recognized, noted.

It certainly has been discovered (by many at AVS), revealed, made public, recognized, and definitely noted on the AVS Forum what many there think of Axiom speakers. "Alleged" could have been used but would have changed the meaning (supposedly, assuming), and it IS commonly "known" at the AVS Forum what many there think of Axiom speakers.