Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Stereo SVS PB10-ISD over the EP350

Folks:

I'm now seriously considering going with the SVS PB10-ISD over the EP350 for both functionality and cost reasons. Anyone got some thoughts to share? Anyone ever owned both?

Hi TK,

I'm sure you'd be very happy with either. I have the SVS PB12-ISD and am quite satisfied.

My only concern with the PB10 is the lack of a crossover. I understand that traditional wisdom is to just set your mains to small and let the receiver handle the crossover chores, so it may very well not be an issue for you or other PB10 owners.

My experience is that I like running my M60's full-range, and adjusting the crossover on the sub. I know I am in the minority on this opinion, and was surprised to discover my preference. My ears, my room, my preference. YMMV, yadda, yadda, yadda.

The Hsu guys will be along shortly to tell you to get an STF-2 instead

Thanks Tom. I'm sure other SVS owners will be along soon. I gladly invite their opinions too. However, I should be honest (to the extent that I will make enemies here). To begin with, I do not like the look of Subs. A square box in a lovely family room full of oak, Leather, nice carpet, gorgeous pictures, etc…anyway…To make matters worse on subs, SVS goes along and makes, what I affectionately call the lions scratch post. My wife would not let one come within 100 yards of our house if I bought one of those tubes--and for the first time, I agree with her. Our stereo won’t be running every second we are in the room, so it has to look good when it is off duty.

Please, everyone who is offended, remember that it’s all about personal preference and opinions. You may think the SVS garbage can isn’t a distraction. I’m glad you think so. I’m also glad there are those neighbors who don’t mind if I like to leave my lawn a bit longer, cause it looks nice overgrown. I never want to tell others what looks good and doesn’t. But for me, I just can’t imagine putting a big tube in our family room. After all, my wife has a good eye (I like to think so, thus she married me) so I won’t push the esthetics topic on her like that. So tubes are out for me.

Now back to the PB12. It does have crossovers, right?

More appropriately - the evil water heater. You must be speaking of the small cylinders. . You are correct - personal preference is bosss (unless overruled by the wife).

Once you get past style, there is really only one consideration are you getting enough equpment to have it act like a subwoofer, or did you get almost enough equipment and you have a subwhimper. If there is a compromise because of funds to go to subwhimper, don't buy one - you wil be disappointed forevermore.

The question is a good one, it's just being asked in the wrong place. You need to talk to Axiom, SVS and (for the HSU train that is about to pull in), HSU Research. They will guide you, based on room dimensions and a variety of other things, to the correct choice. Not one of them will oversell you. If budget and capability don't cross paths, delay until you save enough.

BTW - there is nothing wrong with hiding the sub behind a piece of furniture I've got the "evil water heater" behind a Lazy Boy (double that if I am sitting in it) and no one knows its there.

Ray, your dog is bugging me. Is that a Real Dog or one of those quasi-vermin things that Mrs. Ray might carry around in her purse? I know, take it to the dog thread...

Now, back to our regular, scheduled topic.

Yes, the PB12 has a crossover Like I said, it might never be an issue for you, and that was the only meaningful input I had on the PB10.

I'd agree with Ray (as usual). Talk to the manufacturers about your room size. That being said, I have my PB12 in a VERY large room (cubic feet-wise) and find it to be more than enough for any application.

And I agree with you about the form-factor. No way was my wife going for the big, black water heater. In addition, with kids and dogs, I just wanted to minimize the overall amount of sticky, hairy grill cloth I have in my house, so I opted for a down-firing model. It serves nicely as an end table. No complaints on performance or aesthetics. But it is a "black box"; for me, having it match the front speakers was not important.

tom, Molly is a - wait for it - Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. The most lovable furry creature, aside from myself, that I have ever run across. She is 5 yrs.old, weighs 22 lbs, and the breed is the largest of the toy dogs. Great lap getter-inner. I should clarify that she is by no means, one of those annoying, yappy, little rat dogs. that some people, and you know who you are, own.

TK, I just went through the sub search thing. I have a 16' X 24' room with a 16' ceiling. I called both SVS and HSU. I told them my room dimensions and that I wanted a box sub. They recommended the PB12-ISD and the STF-3 respectively.

I bought the SVS PB12-ISD and it is plenty for me.

John

For the price the PB10-ISD seems a very attractive sub. I don't recall anyone doing a review or comparison of it around here. I went with the Outlaw LFM based on reviews, price and in particular the size, proportions and inset smoked plexiglass top that made the downfiring LFM more end table like.

>>I should clarify that she is by no means, one of those annoying, yappy, little rat dogs. that some people, and you know who you are, own.

You're not talking about Curly and Milo, I hope !!

they have the appearance of just 'looking for something to bark at'!!

its insane. the one on the right looks like jerry garcia..

bigjohn