Will the M22s be "loud" enough?
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I am looking to put together an Axiom setup. The room is 15'x15'x17'. Not really a big room but a decent ceiling height. I have debated about whether to go with the M22s or the M60s as the fronts. Budget is leaning me towards the 22s. The listening area (couch) would be about 8'-10' from the speakers. I would say I listen to movies/music at a moderate level. Not really loud, but enough to be involved in a great action flick. I would say the breakdown of listening would be 70% movies, and 30% music. I would buy a sub, hopefully one of the cheaper HSU or SVS series. I am concerned about the volume level. Will the M22s have clarity and be clear at a moderate listening level?
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Re: Will the M22s be "loud" enough?
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A 17' ceiling? Really? My room is roughly the size of yours in l x w dimensions, and I have have pushed into the 100's on the SPL meter briefly, which means uncomfortably loud. 90's are no sweat though normally I'm running @ around 85-90. They are pretty efficient: I reach reference level (85) at about -17db on the dial. I use the M22's with an EP350 for the sub.
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Considering that you will be doing 70% movies and 30% music, and that you plan on a buying a sub, my response to "Will the M22s have clarity and be clear at a moderate listening level?" -- is not just yes, but hell yes!
I have owned the m22s, and now own the m60. For watching movies at moderate levels, I really could not tell much of a difference at all (my room is bigger than yours).
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Hmmm. Ok, I did not see the 17 foot ceilings. Well, I still say that the m22s will still be just fine.
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What "reference level" means? I 've seen the term come up alot lately
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Given the unique dimensions of the room, this question might make sense to ask Axiom via phone.
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It depends on who is defining it - Dolby and THX have different levels, I think. Often, people are referring to 85 dB, unless I am mistaken.
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That is over 3800cu ft of space...
Maybe it was just Alan from Axiom "upselling" me, but I have about that much volume in my area, but with a ceiling of 8 feet, it is more spread out. I was going to go with the same setup you are, but he said that I would be better off moving up to the M60ti fronts, and making sure I had a nice big (12"+ sub)... This was with me sitting about 11 feet away from the speakers too.
With that said, I am sure that there ARE benefits of going to the M60ti for more than frequency range, but for room volume compensation, but I wonder how much it really matters with speakers that are pointed right at the listening position. I am sure that I have some measurable gain in sound with the M60ti for air volume, but I wonder if it is worth 2x the price... Hmmmm.
Now that I have rambled on, you will be very happy with your M22 fronts, but if you have the money to spend (wish I had more) you may want to look at the M60ti, if not, grab a set of M22 speakers and be happy, be very happy...
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I'm pretty sure that cubic footage above the 8 foot mark is less a factor for your main speakers than it is for your sub. The tweeter and mid information is pretty directional and won't get lost near your ceiling.
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My understanding is the same -- cubic feet drives your sub sizing, square feet tends to affect distance from the speakers which affects your main / center / surround sizing.
For full-range speakers, I guess both cubic feet (bass) and square feet / seating distance (everything) make a difference, which is how we keep ending up with M80s
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