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#8475 - 01/30/03 08:15 PM Sony ES STR-DA4ES + M80's
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Registered: 01/30/03
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Has anyone matched this receiver with the M80's? Are there issues with this receiver's ability to drive the M80's? What's your opinion? I chose the Sony over the Denon 3803 mainly due to price. I am interested in a 7.1 system.

Thanks,
Gerry

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#8476 - 01/30/03 08:40 PM Re: Sony ES STR-DA4ES + M80's
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Gerry, the DA4ES was an excellent buy at $700 or less and should have no problem with the M80s. It has the common 8/4ohm switch, but it should be left at 8 ohms unless it's absolutely necessary to limit the current flow with the 4 ohm setting.
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#8477 - 01/30/03 10:15 PM Re: Sony ES STR-DA4ES + M80's
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I'm driving M60's with the DA4ES and they sound fuller than they did with the 10 year old Denon receiver I was using. You can find it for under $700 at various internet retailers.

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#8478 - 01/31/03 09:00 AM Re: Sony ES STR-DA4ES + M80's
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I was considering the Sony myself, but it doesn't have 192/24-bit DAC's, as far as I know. Otherwise, it seems to have almost every format supported, and composite to s-video conversion. Here's the best price I've found for the Sony http://www.legacyaudiovideo.com.

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#8479 - 01/31/03 05:46 PM Re: Sony ES STR-DA4ES + M80's
gerrys Offline
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John:
Thats what I was hoping to hear. I was really concerned about the 4ES driving the 4ohm load.

phruska:
I agree - the 4es seems like a lot of bang for the buck. I still have not thrown out the idea of getting the M60's though.

DanTana:
You are right that the Sony does not have 192/24-bit DAC's. The thing is I am not completely sure what that means! If you can fill me on what that means I would appreciate it.

Thanks to all,

Gerry

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#8480 - 01/31/03 07:06 PM Re: Sony ES STR-DA4ES + M80's
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In reply to:

You are right that the Sony does not have 192/24-bit DAC's. The thing is I am not completely sure what that means! If you can fill me on what that means I would appreciate it.




It's a sampling rate. Digitizing an analog sound wave is usually done by grabbing points along the sound wave at recurring intervals. CD's do this at 44.1Hz. DVD-A multichannel does it at 96Hz. DVD-A stereo can do this at 192Hz. This basically means the encoder is taking 192 samples of the sound wave per second. The more samples, the closer to the original analog signal is possible. 24-bit precision refers to how accurate the individual sample is encoded. At 16-bit, traditional CD quality, you have 16 ones and zeros to represent the data point samples by the encoder. The larger the number, the closer to the actual value you can get.

All this boils down to is that 24/192 is more precise than 24/96 or 16/44.1. Of course, I'm pretty skeptical that people can hear that level of precision, but I haven't had the pleasure myself.

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#8481 - 02/01/03 02:08 AM Re: Sony ES STR-DA4ES + M80's
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OH let me tell ya Semi, the sound is incredibly noticeable.
Its like listening to AM radio vs FM.
Ok, maybe not quite that dramatic, but darn good analogy i say.
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#8482 - 02/01/03 03:51 AM Re: Sony ES STR-DA4ES + M80's
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Registered: 09/18/02
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Loc: Scottsdale, Arizona
I'll have to take your word for it until SOMETHING worthwhile is encoded in high bitrate audio. Of course that would require the RIAA to stop chasing it's tail, making up bullshit numbers, and actually [censored] innovating. I know, it's a novel idea.

Actually produce more than one worthwhile track on a high bitrate, multichannel format with extras and cool packaging and you'll have me at a cost around $10. Try to sell me the same crap from the last two decades for $20 at one maybe two decent songs on a crappy recording and 25% fewer disks a year and then complain because I'm buying 5% fewer CD's? I'll laugh you right back to your pathetic monopoly you losers.

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#8483 - 02/01/03 08:47 AM Re: Sony ES STR-DA4ES + M80's
gerrys Offline
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Registered: 01/30/03
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chesseroo:
so would you be of the opinion that the 192kHz sampling rate offered by the Denon 3803 is worth an extra ~$200? I guess you would have to throw in the better component switching capabilities offered in the Denon as well.

Semi:
Thanks for the great explanation. If I understand what you are saying, there is little software that takes advantage of the increased sampling rate. It also sounds like this is a technology that manufacturers aren't exactly embracing right now.

Thanks again

-Gerry

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#8484 - 02/01/03 08:57 AM Re: Sony ES STR-DA4ES + M80's
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Registered: 09/18/02
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Loc: Scottsdale, Arizona
Wow. My initial reply was off by a factor of 1000. Teach me to post drunk.

[quot]Thanks for the great explanation. If I understand what you are saying, there is little software that takes advantage of the increased sampling rate. It also sounds like this is a technology that manufacturers aren't exactly embracing right now.




The RIAA is too busy fighting for ways to screw you on fair use laws to invest time into new technology at the moment.

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