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Re: Suggestions & Ideas for 2.1 w/80s...
#87295 04/05/05 07:03 PM
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The science may tell us it's not as exacting as digital and although I believe this, I prefer that glorious soundstage. It's also a warmer sound.


Now we're getting somewhere. Your preference is all that really matters, and no scientist in his/her right mind will dispute that. Scientific evidence simply tells us that CDs are truer to the source than vinyl. Evidence does not and cannot definitively tell us which is better, since better is a loaded term and means something different to each individual. Properly written conclusions should not tell us which is better.

Your choice of playback technology, speakers, and the number of digital vs. analog components you have in the signal path will all have an effect on the final sound that arrives at your ears. Therein lies the beauty of audio. You can tailor the sound to your liking in so many ways, and at so many different price points.

And chess, watch the torch....

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BrenR needs to get out more often, he spends FAR too much time researching...."It's a little known fact" - Cliff Claven


Well, if I could tell you about the mating rituals of the yellow-breasted sapsucker and I wasn't an ornithologist, I'd agree with you.

The fact I know a whole lot about my chosen career - that just makes me highly employable. Off now to go produce a couple of video "stingers" for the local electric company. Bet they're glad I'm like Cliffy.

Bren R.

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there is no scientific measurement to show "warmth", "forwardness", "openness" or "wide soundstage" of equipment.


But there could be if we simply came to a universal consensus as to what each term really means.

If "warmth" means a slightly depressed upper treble, then that is certainly measureable.

If "forwardness" means a flat or slightly accentuated area in the frequency response, then that is certainly measureable.

If "soundstage width" means the lateral distance to the left and right of the phyisical location of the speakers from which sounds appear to emanate, then that can certainly be measured as well, using only human ears, no less.

All you have to do is define your variables. These things can all be measured. Using human ears as a tool of measurement is not un-scientific. You just need access to many human ears so you can plot enough data points to be able to draw meaningful conclusions from the trends.

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#87298 04/05/05 07:44 PM
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BIBH,

Great post. If most people thought like you we would all be at piece on this earth... At least temporarily

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#87299 04/05/05 07:46 PM
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i partly agree with everything that has been said here..

yet, i dont completely agree with none of it..

so where does that put me?

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#87300 04/05/05 07:55 PM
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Anyone who cannot spell a simple online user id correctly deserves the torch let alone from one who's attitude is derogatory to that which they have no clue.
And that ISN"T rocket science.
Mind you, if the Americans would change over to a metric system instead of an archaic imperial one...{/duck mode} American furlongs of 2x4s {/sidestep}


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#87301 04/05/05 07:56 PM
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i partly agree with everything that has been said here..

yet, i dont completely agree with none of it..

so where does that put me?


In Texas!



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YES...

always quick to point out the obvious..

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sorry Chesseroo. I should have got my point across much more polite than I did. I simply don't think believing what scientists say about soundwaves has anything do do with preferences in listening. Nor do I think, 'progress' is an issue with said preferences. These thngs are not universal; it's up to each person to determine what they like. My bad, Chesseroo!

And again, I have a hard time finding people who come to my house who like my cd player over my turntable. A real hard time. Some don't care but the ones who are into music seem to prefer the turntable. Should they have paid more attention in physics class?

Then again, if people like that the wave is closer to the original source, great! I just have a hard time even comprehending this is as reason for a preference.

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I may have missed the equipment list (yes, I believe that there are differences between equipment - and I am an electrical engineer with 20years of design work) but what do you have that your friends listen to?

To take Chess' point, if you define the what it is you enjoy in the sound, there is an explanation to be put forth.

You are absolutely correct that the preferences are personal. But there is always some realm of science to explain things in life!!!

Chess - re: Metric - absolutely the US should abandon the Imperial measurement system. They are quite alone in clinging to this system devised - and abandoned by British rulers. The Metric system is based in - GASP- science!!!! LOL

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