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#88605 - 04/03/05 07:29 PM Dumb question about cd players
warfer21 Offline
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Registered: 10/14/04
Posts: 139
Loc: T. Bay , ON
Am I really going to notice a dfference playing my cd's on a higher-end cd player?

Right now I am using my dvd player to listen to music, and I'd rather listen to sattelite radio or dvd concerts than my cd collection.

I really do appreciate this forum, and all the advice given here.

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#88606 - 04/03/05 08:41 PM Re: Dumb question about cd players
BrenR Offline
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Registered: 12/10/03
Posts: 3602
Loc: Winnipeg MB Canada
Over the digital connection (SPDIF/TOSlink) most will say no.

Some will say yes, citing high-end crystals improve timing and reduce jitter.

Then the "no" camp reminds the "yes" camp that even $24 CD-ROMs read data CDs that must be bit-accurate all day long with no errors.

Then the "yes" guys remind the "no" guys that there's no error correction on Redbook audio CDs.

Then the "no" guys say even if there's 10 jitter errors over an 80 minute CD, that's a 0.00000004% error rate and even the blood pressure in your head will cause a bigger difference in hearing than that.

Then the tube CD players come in and the knives come out.

Bren R.

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#88607 - 04/04/05 01:13 AM Re: Dumb question about cd players
player8 Offline
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Registered: 01/19/04
Posts: 521
Loc: PHX/Flagstaff, AZ
You forgot the "yes" guys who still use the analog outputs and hear the difference between CD players. Most of us "yes" guys fall into the "no" camp when it comes to digital.

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#88608 - 04/04/05 02:05 AM Re: Dumb question about cd players
Stimpy1 Offline
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Registered: 07/19/04
Posts: 17
Depends on your definition of Higher end. Some of the DVD players like the Toshiba 3950 and 3960 are suppose to be competitive with CD players in the $300-$500 range. Some DVD players arn't that swift when it comes to CD playback. I have no idea where the Pioneer fits in.

I have a Toshiba 3960 and Cambridge Audio D300SE that sold for $350 a year or two ago. The two are perty hard to tell apart. However I also had a one of those "not so swift" DVD players and the difference between that player and the D300 were notable although not on the magnitude of upgrading speakers or amps.

Now if your definition of high end is $1000-1500 on up the difference if very noticable. Generally besides better resolution, quieter background and larger soundstage they usually have a lusher more analog sound. Much of the digital harshness, so common in $300-$400 players is removed. Everthing just sound more natural. At least that was my experience when I moved from the Cambridge D300 to the Eastsound CD-E5. In my opinion on the magnitude of changing amps or speakers.

But don't expect a big jump if you go from the Pioneer to say a $300-$400 entry level audiophile CDP.

BW Maxx





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#88609 - 04/04/05 02:41 AM Re: Dumb question about cd players
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Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 4788
Loc: western canada
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#88610 - 04/04/05 07:11 PM Re: Dumb question about cd players
Stimpy1 Offline
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Registered: 07/19/04
Posts: 17
Ah, yes research scientists. Those so bent on proving measurements they deny reality, even when its right in front of them.

Yes, its all a myth get that $29 Audiovox DVD player since reasearch shows you won't hear any difference between that and a $7000 Levinson CDP.

I've always found it curious those who "Preach" all CDP's and amps sound the same (its the same camp, the measurements are everything camp). NEVER practice what they preach.

They smugly call others ignorant and foolish while hypocritically spending large sums of money on components which according to their measurements, will sound no different then the cheapest crap you can buy at Circuit City.

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#88611 - 04/04/05 08:01 PM Re: Dumb question about cd players
chesseroo Offline
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Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 4788
Loc: western canada
stimpy,
Could you make any more unproven and blanket statements in one paragraph?
Any more stereotypes you can throw out?
It is obvious you don't know any real scientists.
If you did, you would know they are actually people who have real lives with real interests and yes, many are even 'street' smart, not just 'book' smart.
Scary concept for you to understand i know, but take your time, and think real hard on it and you might actually have a thought worth posting next time.



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#88612 - 04/04/05 08:09 PM Re: Dumb question about cd players
BrenR Offline
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Registered: 12/10/03
Posts: 3602
Loc: Winnipeg MB Canada
In reply to:

Those so bent on proving measurements they deny reality, even when its right in front of them.


Ah, yes, always right in front of us... the steaming pile of marketing and fear mongering. Compete, compete! One-up your neighbour. Who here ever says "I own a set of Axiom such-and-such, with such-and-such drivers?"... everyone quotes either number of speakers, price paid, decibel level or power handling. Who's got bigger numbers than the next guy?

The "measurements" and "science" are supporting arguments for what we hear, and they're stronger arguments than "cause me and my friends said so." Not only have I not heard a difference between CD-Ps over the digital outs, but I can also prove that the bitstream that's sent from them are very nearly identical... far closer than even your dog could tell the difference.

Bren R.

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#88613 - 04/04/05 08:13 PM Re: Dumb question about cd players
snakeyes Offline
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Registered: 07/13/04
Posts: 828
Loc: Newburgh, NY
my dog is not good at analyzing bitstreams anyway.
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#88614 - 04/04/05 08:26 PM Re: Dumb question about cd players
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Registered: 04/02/03
Posts: 16259
Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
Ah, yes experientialists. Those so bent on disproving measurements that they deny science, even when it is completely objective and unbiased by personal preferences.

Yes, measurements are inconsequential get that $7000 Levinson CDP since my personal opinion shows you will hear a difference between that and a $29 Audiovox DVD player.

I've always found it curious those who "Preach" CDP's and amps sound different (its the same camp, the ears are everything camp) NEVER agree to blind listening tests to remove bias and preconceived notions from the equation.

They smugly call others elitist and foolish....

Makes you wonder.

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