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#94304 - 05/15/05 11:31 PM Re: AXIOM m60ti with ONKYO TX8511 or ROTEL RX1050
bridgman Offline
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Registered: 08/25/04
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Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
>>The m2i was reviewed by soundstage to dodge deep bass, while the m3ti tried to do some deep bass(using a bass woofer and all), which left room for distorted bass at high volumes. The m2i would be better for a situation without a crossover, since it would not muck up as bad with high volumes in the bass area.

Agreed, but even the M2 really benefits from filtering out the bass. The woofer cone doesn't flap around as much as with an M3 but filtering out the bass still makes a big difference in terms of the SPL you can reach without sounding strained.

Ask me how I know... ignore the dog :



The 12db/8va high pass in the PSB sub never really cut it... but the 24db/8va high pass in the HK630 really lets the M2s sing.



The difference when playing rock at a reasonable SPL in a medium sized room (13x23x8) was quite significant. In a smaller room there was no problem running "full range" M2s plus a sub.

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#94305 - 05/15/05 11:44 PM Re: AXIOM m60ti with ONKYO TX8511 or ROTEL RX1050
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Yes Frank, and among the less expensive options are these .
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#94306 - 05/16/05 07:33 PM Re: AXIOM m60ti with ONKYO TX8511 or ROTEL RX1050
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Registered: 08/30/04
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Loc: Ann Arbor, Michigan
Thanks, John. I didn't even know that inline crossovers like that existed. I have much to learn.
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#94307 - 05/16/05 09:21 PM Re: AXIOM m60ti with ONKYO TX8511 or ROTEL RX1050
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Registered: 04/16/05
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I have the newer Rotel RX-1052. Fortunately I was able to pick it up used. It's a pricey $900 new and the dealers here won't budge on price. (Not available online). I have not heard the Onkyo you mention but I will say the Rotel sounds great and looks great (silver). I plan to drive M50s with it. Try to listen to the Rotel first. You may find that there is no difference in the sound from your Onkyo, so why spend the money? If you really NEED to spend money, also consider a NAD C352(80wpc) or C372(150wpc) integrated amp and separate C422 tuner. Buy online discounted from www.saturdayaudio.com. The set would be about the same price as the Rotel. (I also have an older NAD C370(100wpc) amp and C422 tuner). AND, Don't buy a sub just because it's cool (If you live in apartment, forget it. Your neighbors will kill you!). For me, the sub makes MUSIC too heavy...For home theater it's good to have.


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#94308 - 05/17/05 12:51 AM Re: AXIOM m60ti with ONKYO TX8511 or ROTEL RX1050
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Registered: 12/10/03
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Loc: Winnipeg MB Canada
In reply to:

Thanks, John. I didn't even know that inline crossovers like that existed. I have much to learn.


Pssst... they don't... they're "caps"... capacitors in cool looking packages. You can do the exact same thing with a couple of $0.03 capacitors - the original high-pass passive "crossovers."

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#94309 - 05/17/05 05:15 AM Re: AXIOM m60ti with ONKYO TX8511 or ROTEL RX1050
abenoty Offline
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Registered: 05/13/05
Posts: 7
Loc: Texas
Hey Ken I appreciate the response! I had the same first impression as you until I spoke with the expert sales folks! Their response was that Rotels are 'very' conservative in their power ratings and that the difference will be "night and day" with the proper loudspeakers...at any rate I've ordered the m60s and we shall see how the Onkyo delivers to start the show....again...thanks for the response

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#94310 - 05/17/05 06:04 AM Re: AXIOM m60ti with ONKYO TX8511 or ROTEL RX1050
abenoty Offline
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Registered: 05/13/05
Posts: 7
Loc: Texas
Great advice on the Rotel....thanks. And I know, the dealers won't budge on the pricing! I also checked out the web site you recommended for the nad eq....no listing for your items? I did notice that the hk3480 listed at $449...ouch...did you say discounted? This item moves for $299 at www.bestpriceaudiovideo.com. I do like the nad options though...their eq has always been top quality. My m60s are dropping at my doorstep on Wed so we shall see how they sound driven by the Onk first. This may seem like an odd question, but is there a traditional Canadian beer that I should savor while auditioning my new m60s?

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#94311 - 05/17/05 07:57 AM Re: AXIOM m60ti with ONKYO TX8511 or ROTEL RX1050
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Registered: 08/25/04
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Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
I guess the most common beers up here are still Labatt's Blue and Molson Canadian, but personally I don't like either of them.

Canadian in cans is pretty much the traditional "camping beer" though. I'm not sure why people drink Blue -- it has that soapy dishwater lager taste if you're into that kind of thing

Molson Export (ale rather than lager) should be fairly easy to find in the US and is pretty good. That would be my recommendation.

As with any country, we also make some really nice beers but in smaller volumes. If you can find anything from Unibroue, particularly Trois Pistoles, grab it -- not exactly traditional but brewed in Canada and VERY good.

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#94312 - 05/17/05 09:34 AM Re: AXIOM m60ti with ONKYO TX8511 or ROTEL RX1050
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Registered: 04/16/05
Posts: 61
The NAD C372 & C352 integrated amps are listed on the "NEW GEAR" tab on www.saturdayaudio.com. You have to call them for the price. I was able to buy the C370 integrated for $200 off retail during a closeout sale. They gave me $30 off on the C422 Tuner. I would not pay $900 retail for the Rotel RX-1052 but the used one ($725) kind of fell into my lap. I was leaning toward a NAD set-up after I learned of the Rotel retail price. AGAIN, I think YOUR ONKYO will be just fine!!! Be sure to let us know what you think!!
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#94313 - 05/17/05 10:16 AM Re: AXIOM m60ti with ONKYO TX8511 or ROTEL RX1050
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Registered: 05/03/03
Posts: 17751
Loc: NoVA
I'm sure the sales guys did... my sales guys also tell my clients that I'll be able to do the work in 2 hours when it will take 6. Grain of salt, my friend, grain of salt.
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