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#95437 - 05/26/05 12:02 AM Re: OT - What's your favorite Reds? *****
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My lord that sounds familiar. Peter will know what I'm talking about here...
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#95438 - 05/26/05 07:48 AM Re: OT - What's your favorite Reds?
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"You gotta be out of your mind. Fifty bucks for that? "

Yeah, it is so prevalent that it can really depress you if you are in this business and have to go out and try and sell some of it.

"And what about these pinot noirs?"

Oh Man.I have always held that Pinot is the single most difficult varietal to crack into. Bottle for bottle there are more bad Pinots out there than perhaps any other wine. And you can spend more on Bad Pinot that you can on just about anything else out there.
BUT! When you first discover that one wine that opens the door to what Pinot can achieve it is a revelation like no other. Great Pinot will simply make you swoon. I think it is something about how elusive they are that creates all of the insane Pinot Freaks out there. Once you have that magical one, you'll never go back. You have Cab freaks, Zin freaks, Rhone freaks, ect... But eventually they all get bored and move on to something else. But someone who gets hooked on Pinot will crawl across broken glass just on the chance that the next one will be IT.
The other part of the facination is that there is no other red varietal (to me) that exhibits the Terrior of where it was grown more than Pinot. You can go from one side of a hillside to another in Cote de Nuits or Carneros or Willamette and see such a difference that you cannot believe they are the same grape.
And finally (well as finally as I can get right now... the subject of Pinot Noir is endless!) when you do get that great one, you know that it is a labor of love for the winemaker. You cannot make great Pinot Noir by accident.
Winemakers call it "The Heartbreak Grape" and for good reason. There are so many ways that it can go wrong, all along the way it is not funny. So great ones, truly great ones, are few and far between.
A couple very, very good ones that I have had lately are Cameron "Clos Electrique" 2002 from Oregon and Olssen's 2002 from Central Otago New Zealand. The Olssen's is sold out at the winery, but there might be some left in the pipeline. Both are very, very good.
And if you are looking for an inexpensive one (Pinot is the single hardest varietal to do cheaply) the best I have ever had is the Mark West Central Coast. Simple, but varietally correct, and delicious.
Later,
Tom
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#95439 - 05/26/05 07:55 AM Re: OT - What's your favorite Reds?
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"Seriously, my wine buying has always been centered on "deals". And, by the time I get around to drinking it, I have no idea where I got it or for how much. And to top it off, when I like a wine I can never remember it's name and am doomed to never have it again.
You're doing good work here."

Heh, heh... Yeah, Wine sort of has that aspect built into it. 12.5%, 14%, 15.5%

Best advice is to get one of those Geeky Little Books and just write it down. The guys in the wine shop will think you're a complete bore, but it is better than coming home with something that once you open it you realize that you had it 4 months ago and thought it was terrible!
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#95440 - 05/26/05 08:01 AM Re: OT - What's your favorite Reds?
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"How's this sound as tasting notes:
Sweet, then sour, then sweet again cherry flavors to start, giving way to a woody mid-section, and ending with darl fruit flavors (is that what they call "currants"?)."

Sounds pretty good to me!
And yeah, I'd say that sounds like currants.
TjB

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#95441 - 05/26/05 10:49 AM Re: OT - What's your favorite Reds?
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You know what sometimes helps BW?
A wine aroma wheel.
If you are just getting started in defining some common flavours, i recommend you print this off and have a look next time you are tasting. You can find some other notes on it here.


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#95442 - 05/26/05 11:09 AM Re: OT - What's your favorite Reds?
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Very cool, chesseroo, thank you. I'll print that out when I get home.

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#95443 - 05/26/05 11:25 AM Re: OT - What's your favorite Reds?
chesseroo Offline
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Registered: 05/13/02
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Loc: western canada
Unfortunately the wine wheel stops short of many other possibilities.
That New Zealand Sauv.blanc we recently tried is a good example. It has an earthy, flint-mineral flavour to it, however under the earthy column, there is nothing in regards to soil-like characters. The wine also had some lime tones and again, a fruit missing from the wheel.
But it is at least a good starting point and has most of the common flavours listed.
On the plus side, it also provides some very negative characters to describe a wine. Often you can drink a wine, not like it and not be able to describe why (or even bother). Now you can try to pinpoint the flavour that it may have that you don't like and try to avoid buying any wines that might have such a tasting note listed on the backside of a bottle.

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#95444 - 05/26/05 11:32 AM Re: OT - What's your favorite Reds?
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Registered: 01/21/04
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the closer i look at it, i see that this wheel can also be used to decifer flavors in beer. i often find many of the same taste elements in beer that are on this chart.

of course, with beer, you also have the aspect of color and clarity, as well as head and carbonation. but, this chart would still be extremely helpful.

good post..

bigjohn
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#95445 - 05/26/05 11:37 AM Re: OT - What's your favorite Reds?
bigwill2 Offline
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My wife and I drink our share of sauvignon blancs, too. I just nabbed a few bottles of a Jos Phelps sauvignon blanc on clearance. Interesting wine - tastes just like red apples.
My local wine country (Temecula, CA) makes sauvignon blancs that are typically flinty, mineral, bright fruit, and high acidity. Much different than that Jos Phelps wine.

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#95446 - 05/26/05 11:45 AM Re: OT - What's your favorite Reds?
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Mmm, diesel yoghurt wine... Me favrito!
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