Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Advice from Axiom Owners Thinking of making the jump: what can I expect

none was taken Rich

Also, you have to keep in mind that everyone's definition of forward, bright, harsh, laid back, warm, etc.... is different. When I was first looking at the Denon/Axiom combination I was told "Stay Away", and that combination would be to mechanical and bright sounding. Now most of this feedback was coming from AVSforum.com I finally trusted the opinions of my fellow Axiomites and from Alan, Joe, and Brent at Axiom. My experience is that the 60's, and I'm sure other models, are very accurate, detailed, and true to the source. There are so many things in the equation that can alter the sound from the speakers: room conditions, receiver settings, speaker location, etc...

So I basically take descriptions of speakers with a grain of salt. I'm sure what ever Axiom speakers he picks, he will be very happy...

Randy

et the M60s from the factory outlet and keep your B&W center for now. You may find that the combo works very well. If not, you can always get the old lady a new center for her birthday, and surrounds for Xmas...

Hi Randy,

I suspect you are right!!

Rich.

Wow. And all I was doing was trying to get some general feedback on what to expect. Seriously, sorry guys....didn't mean to start an M50/M60 war. I'm just looking to move to another line of speakers and really want to believe all the things I've read about Axiom and wanted to give them a try.

Along those lines, can anyone (and I know this may be difficult) explain a little the differences bt. going with the vp100 vs the vp150 (assuming the center would be paired with M50's). At only $145 more, I'm wondering if it' worth it to plunk down the money, or if they're really so similar that the additional expense is unnecessary. Thanks again. And sorry again too.

Dude there is nothing to be sorry about. It is all in fun, even if it appears to be a war. We are just one big happy family, trying to get the word out about these great speakers that Axiom puts out.

Where do you live? You might be able to get an audition from one of us that would be glad to do it...

Check out the Audition Thread in the Q&A forum.

good luck, and don't worry about anything, it is all good...

All good indeed. Thanks. And I did check the Q&A...turns out there's a couple of people. I live in the Northern VA/DC area, but I also travel, nearly every weekend, down to Richmond...so I've got 2 folks in DC, and one Axiom user in Glen Allen (Richmond) that I could check out. And how silly am I? I actually carry a self-made demo disc around in my car....you know, just in case I happen to pass any audio stores and need a quick audition.

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And how silly am I? I actually carry a self-made demo disc around in my car

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thats not silly at all!!! in fact, its a fantastic idea. not that i have a lot of opportunities to pop into stereo stores and demo speakers.. but, still a great idea to have to take to friends houses and test different systems. makes sense to have a set of songs that run the range of music that you listen to. rock to bach, and all points inbetween.

bigjohn

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And how silly am I? I actually carry a self-made demo disc around in my car....you know, just in case I happen to pass any audio stores and need a quick audition.

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I'm triple silly then... I carry a disc of subjective listening material, an audio reference disc (snagged from one of the CBC Radio guys) and a low-frequency reference/subjective listening disc (since the radio disc doesn't specifically reach down to those subsonic levels).

Bren R.

Actually, if you look at the M50/M60 war, what you'll find, is:

One side says "It's" a tenth of a per cent "This Way"
The other side says, it's a tenth of a per cent "That Way"

(And it's almost that close!)

And, it is all in fun!(which is why were all here in the first place!)After all, how much fun would it be to discuss differences....if there were no differences!

Now, if you want to see a "War" Ask about "Speaker Break-In"!!!

I would like to add one thing about the M50/M60 question though:

And that's the cost. The M50 is just as "Expensive" as the M60!! It just has fewer expensive components to buy!

One less 5.25" mid-woofer.

one less port.

Less weight for shipping.

And(assuming the picture is actually incorrect-or else I recieved "old" speakers)a less intricate terminal pad, and a less complex crossover network. Because...if the M50 is like my M3s there is no finicky crossover network tying the tweet to the mids! In other words: "Internally bi-wired!" How cool is that?! Just the mid-woofs runnin' free and a couple of simple, teensy components tying the tweet to the over-all speaker level!(Elegant!!)

Oh, and speaking of my M3s: Part of the reason I purchased my M50s was because of buying M3s back in the days when the M3 was the darling of the Axiom set. There were literally dozens of "Professional" tests of the M3 individually, and in additional tests refering to the M3s as "reference monitors" for the testing of other components. M3s were a qualified "No-Brainer" in those days, and really should be remembered for how good they really are, even today when the emphasis is on more detailed, "Performance" designs.

So, buying M50s was, in my case at least, based on the sound of a speaker that I hoped would be a good sonic match to speakers I'd already purchased and had never had an evil sound from.

In fact, the M50s "May" sound just a bit better than the M3s!

By the way...I use an inverted M3 as center, and two more as surrounds-a perfect match! And they have no trouble filling my 16x27 listening room!

Yup, it's all good.
Rich.

>>Along those lines, can anyone (and I know this may be difficult) explain a little the differences bt. going with the vp100 vs the vp150 (assuming the center would be paired with M50's). At only $145 more, I'm wondering if it' worth it to plunk down the money, or if they're really so similar that the additional expense is unnecessary.

The general rule of thumb is "big room VP150, small/medium room VP100". My current room is 13x23 which I consider to be definitely VP100 territory. The room in the new house is 23x25 which would be VP150 territory except I only expect to use half of it for HT and will be sitting fairly close to the screen and speakers.

If I had to generalize, I would say you *should* get a VP150 if you have multiple rows of seating or a big honkin' screen (which would let you sit further from the center channel) or if your seating area is unusually wide... and a VP100 would be fine otherwise.

EDIT -- I forgot the main reason people buy VP150, which is because it *is* only $145 extra and that way they never have to worry about having bought the wrong center speaker