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Posted By: Ian Axiom Booth at the Toronto Interior Design Show - 02/27/07 06:05 PM
Hi everyone;

Over the past nine months Axiom has teamed up with Canada's most respected interior design group, GlucksteinDesign, to work on ways to integrate audio and video into homes without compromising the room design or the sound quality. Until now designers have installed a lot of bad audio because it suited the room's décor. We want to change that; and with some creative thinking there is no reason for a customer to sacrifice one for the other. At this show we put forward some concepts of products we have come up with to meet this goal. We are really looking forward to everyone's comments on these pieces.

So it is back from the show and right back to the lab! We had a great show with a lot of people coming through the booth to see the latest interior designs from Brian Gluckstein and Axiom's integration of sound and video into the rooms.

The Axiom team worked around the clock - literally - getting prototypes ready for the show and building our booth. Starting from the front of our booth, here's a photo of our executive computer speakers in a small den/office that we exhibited at the show.




Each speaker is hooked to the subwoofer (EPZero, under the glass desk, below) that contains the amplifiers for all three speakers. Long time Axiom fans will recognize that this design was based on the discontinued Axiom MZero speakers, part of the Epic Micro package. The finish shown here is a real wood burled walnut with our VaSSallo Coffee stain, in high-gloss piano finish. We're hoping to have the computer sat-sub system ready for Father's Day. The EPZero sub is using the woofer from the M80 and a 300-watt amplifier to power the system. It measures 12.4" high, 7.8" wide, and 15.3" deep and is designed to go under your desk. The MZeros use the same 3-inch driver as before but we redesigned the tweeter. The new tweeter is our same 1-inch dome used in other Axiom models except with the addition of a neodymium magnet. As expected there was never a time the grille was off at a design show, except for the photo Amie took above to give you a sense of scale.




Next up, the T series in-wall speakers, pictured below, which are based on the W series, but thinner for a sleeker profile. The W series speakers are great if the video screen is mounted on the wall but for mounting the video panel in the wall like we did at the show, the W series protrudes too far. We know that a completely flush in-wall speaker has insurmountable acoustical problems so that was out. We decided to run some experiments in our lab to see how thin we could make the baffle and not degrade the performance in any way. The new T series utilizes a 5/8-inch-thick front baffle with bull-nosed edges. There was no acoustical degradation from doing this (except a bit of bass loss from the smaller enclosure but the new EP400 sub picked up the slack). In the cabinet below the screen, a prototype of the Axiom amplifier was powering the system throughout the house. We're anticipating release of the amplifier in early summer.



In the corner below is the new EP400 supplying deep powerful base in an inconspicuous way.




Pictured beside the T22 in-wall speaker, on the right, is our prototype In-Wall DVD player / Ipod Dock / Remote Control charger. This concept is about replacing piles of electronics in every room with a sleek, paintable unit that can 'talk back' to the main equipment room anywhere in your house. It's connected via four Cat 5 cables and does not require A/C power at the unit. It is in early development stages but given the response from the show we may need to crank this one into a product as fast as we can. The unit combines an iPod dock that includes a charger, a DVD player drive, remote control, and front-panel accessory jacks for gaming. Axiom's new satellite in-wall media modules will be available in three configurations: 1) A stereo-only unit for rooms that just need some background music and maybe a TV not used for serious movie watching, 2) a 7.1 receiver-based unit for moderately priced home theater, and 3) a preamp-based unit for high end home theater performance. This unit is the ultimate in flexibility as it gives you the opportunity to play individual performances in the room you are in or it will 'talk back' to the main system for full multi-room and multi-zone use. Separate DVD/iPod satellites can be installed in as many rooms as desired in a standard stud wall - the whole unit is only 3.5 inches deep. When not in use, the new module folds flush with the wall and can be painted to virtually disappear into a room's décor.





Here's a picture of the QS4s we painted to match the wall of the living room in the booth. These are available now at Axiom.

Pictured beside the plate rack is a shot of the VaSSallo M2s used for background music in the kitchen. We had a separate in-wall DVD/i-pod system running these that was networked back to the main system as well. As usual the grilles are on since designers don't like to see any drivers! These speakers are available now at Axiom.





Below is a picture of the outdoor speakers. We will be releasing these in three versions – first will be the long-promised outdoor M3. In fact the pre-order release for these will be in the next owners' club newsletter. The next two releases will involve a wireless version we have been working on for this line. First part of the second release will be the indoor version, available in our standard or in VaSSallo finishes. You will be able to use them anywhere in your house - they just need to be plugged into an AC outlet. Then there will be the weather-resistant outdoor version which will include a battery so they can be completely portable. Using the biggest battery, play time will be up to 20 hours at normal listening levels without recharging. These wireless speakers each contain their own 150-watt amplifier so you can get real performance. Pictured are the wireless outdoor version. We also had one mounted on the back wall of the home which were hooked to a solar panel, which would supply enough power to keep the battery charged (this would be a pretty cool camping accessory too - or perfect for a boat).





A picture of the line outside the Axiom/Gluckstein Home.


An all women line to see speakers..., now that's something!
One word "Amazing."

Thank you for the guided tour Ian. Seriously. Just Amazing! Oh, and exciting, and innovative, and ... I'll just stop there.
Very nice, Ian. Thank you so much. Congratulations on your ongoing innovations.

Will the "new" MZero be available separately or only as part of the set?

Will the W series be phased out as the T series is phased in?

Could you discuss wall mounting options for either the MZero or horizontal M2?

Exciting products. Beautiful presentation. Bravo!
Bravo Bravo Bravo!
Phenomenal! THAT'S what I'm talking about! Now I have some concrete objects to start saving for!

Now everybody has to remember that the Axiom crew needs time to perfect these; don't keep buggin' 'em about "when? When? WHEN?

Seriously, thank you Ian!
I am drooling. I hope you had plenty of napkins to distribute at the show!
Truly remarkable, thank you Ian!
Wow! Absolutely amazing indeed!!

Darn; I just knew I retired too soon.

...or maybe was born a few decades too early!

But I sure can see a few new ideas I'd like to implement all over our house for us grownups.

And the kids especially would go for complete sound systems to go with their Playstation and X-boxes as well as new speakers and subs for their computers.

....my wallet just ran and hid!

Fabulous stuff!!
Rich.
Ian,

great post, I am seriously looking forward to those computer speakers...

Is there a possibilty of some pricing leaking out?

Nice to see you set up the "Whats New" forum, looks great!

-Hutz
WOW.

These are some very innovative and exciting products. Thank you Ian for providing the details and photos of the show. It appears it was very successful.

Those are some beautiful new products. I really like the computer speakers. I can't wait to see how much i need to save
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An all women line to see speakers..., now that's something!






These women were probably there to see "home decoration" part of the show. They missed the "Axiom speakers" part.
This is TERRIFIC Ian. Having this new section definitely will help create "buzz" about new and upcoming products.

However, I's like to make one suggestion, if I may. Since this section of the forum is new, and therefore relatively empty, rather than having all these products lumped into one thread, consider making a separate thread, with pics and as much info as you deem advisable, for each product. That way, if someone wants info on the outdoor speakers for example, they wouldn't have to wade through questions and info about the other products. You wouldn't have to necessarily dump this thread. It can stand on it's own as a thread about the Home Show.
Patience, grasshoppa....

Ian, thanks for the pics! Pity I've already got my multiroom solution planned...
Being referred to as "grasshoppa" is almost as pleasing (and laughable) as being asked for ID at a nightclub.
"GrassPoppa"?
Great stuff! Thanks for sharing.
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"GrassPoppa"?




GrassGrandPoppa
GrandGrassPillPoppa, more like.
You guys ever read a thread you DIDN'T hijack?
Well I was going for number 2,000..... Peter is reaching for 8,000.... I have no idea what's up with Rick!
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An all women line to see speakers..., now that's something!




Yes and from the several conversations I overheard, they actually did talk about how the speakers blended into the decor. I can see Axiom computer speakers on my desk on Father's day courtesy of my better half. And those outdoor speakers are just what I need on my deck this summer to wake up the squirrels. Those pictures look good but the buzz in the exhibit was palpable. The Silver prize was well deserved. Typical of Axiom, there were no half measures. Congratulations.
Tomtuttle,

Thanks for your encouragement on the new project and products.

The MZeros will only be available with the EPZero sub. In fact the x-overs for the MZeros are in the sub and there is an XLR cable connecting the MZeros to the EPZero.

The T series is not designed to be a replacement for the W series but rather a complement.

Both the MZeros and the M2s have a bolt on the rear baffle to accept our Full Metal Bracket. This bracket allows either speaker to be mounted vertically or horizontally.
Thank you for the "heads up" on the new products, very interesting.

A 300 watt, 2.1 computer speaker system?.....that's GOT to be the "mack-daddy" of them all.
Those computer speakers are beautiful! I can see a lot of nice offices getting hooked up with those babies!

Will it be possible to get the speakers in a custom vassallo finish, but the subwoofer in a standard finish? It would seem a waste of money to get the fancy finish on a subwoofer that'll most likely be sitting under your desk, and being used as a foot rest.
Ajax,

This is a good idea. I think we will do this as new products start to become a reality and things like pricing, specs, and delivery become available. Obviously the outdoor speaker and the amp would be a good start.
Very nice, Ian! And did I hear you say EP400? When...When...WHEN?
Spiffnme,

This was our thinking also. The EPZero is made in a plain black finish. The MZeros are in a real burled walnut finish.
Ian, thanks for the very thorough report (plus all the nice pics). I'm really glad to see Axiom pushing the boundary and keeping up with current trends. By the way, those computer speakers are gorgeous. Can't wait to see pricing on those.

Keep up the good and innovative work!
Yep...looking forward to seeing the pricing as well. Please don't scare us!
Now that this thread is back on track...

Fantastic show, Ian! It's really great to see Axiom branching out into new areas. I'm still surprised by how small the EP400 is - wish I could hear it!
I'd like to make a suggestion for the VaSSallo series.

Perhaps you could give customers the option of having or not having the grills and associated grill mounting holes.

Personally, if I someday acquired a finish as lovely as that burled walnut, I'd want to see as much of it as possible all the time and not be distracted by the mounting holes.

Ian, it is very gracious of you to participate in this dialog. Thank you very much for your time in this regard, and especially for your ongoing work.
Thank you, Ian; we really appreciate the info and pictures.
Some very interesting innovations there.
Will the frequency graphs be posted on these new products? Ever a scientist, i love to see the numbers.

I'm curious how the wireless speakers will pan out. I've read so many reports about poor speaker response with wireless systems, but perhaps no one has taken the serious time to work towards building a proper unit. Funny how Ian mentioned it would make a good item for a boat considering i just threw up a post on buying yachts...coincidence? Or a ploy for my pocket book?


And when is the show coming out west?
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Perhaps you could give customers the option of having or not having the grills and associated grill mounting holes.




Or, as has been suggested numerous times in the past, magnetic grills! No unsightly holes, and it still leaves you the option of having the grills in place or not.



I've put a pair of M3's with a nice Vassallo finish in my in-box numerous times. They're just sooo beautiful! Magnetic grills might just put me over the edge. ...god, Roger would kill me. LOL!
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I've put a pair of M3's with a nice Vassallo finish in my in-box numerous times. They're just sooo beautiful! Magnetic grills might just put me over the edge. ...god, Roger would kill me. LOL!





Craig:
I've done the same thing...and have the same problem with Joyce!
I was speechless for a momment. Truely amazing products. I too am drooling over the computer speakers, I can hear my wife now...."It's just a computer, WHY do you need such expensive speakers for it?"
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Some very interesting innovations there.
Will the frequency graphs be posted on these new products? Ever a scientist, i love to see the numbers.

I'm curious how the wireless speakers will pan out. I've read so many reports about poor speaker response with wireless systems, but perhaps no one has taken the serious time to work towards building a proper unit. Funny how Ian mentioned it would make a good item for a boat considering i just threw up a post on buying yachts...coincidence? Or a ploy for my pocket book?


And when is the show coming out west?




I've been intrigued with wireless speakers for a long time myself especially for my boathouse. These speakers with the requisite electronics are supposed to provide uncompressed transmission which is where the real innovation may reside. Most of the wireless speakers I have examined suffered from poor fidelity as a result of compression.

The other interesting aspect of the wireless speaker at the exhibit was the solar power supply which was also a neat innovation.
Tomtuttle,

With the Vassallo series each one is custom made so to order them without grilles (and thereby without the associated receptacles in the speaker) is no problem right now on any model. We could make that an option on the Vassallo grille selector on the site for no grille. This would bring this option to everyone’s attention.
Chesseroo,

These wireless speakers do not have any loss of fidelity; that would not be proper in an Axiom product. Added to that is the 150 watt amplifier in each speaker; so what you have is a real Hi Fi system that is portable. We will be getting to the pricing on these shortly but I can guarantee that the yacht will cost you more.
Posted By: wschwartz Wireless surrounds? - 02/28/07 01:53 PM
I am curious if we might see wireless surround speakers, eliminating the need for the long wire runs such speakers so often require. I myself have stuck with stereo due to the cost and hassle of running surround wires. With a wireless surround option, I would probably upgrade to 5.1. Such an option might significantly increase the number of people interested in 5.1.
Posted By: Hutzal Re: Wireless surrounds? - 02/28/07 02:37 PM
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I am curious if we might see wireless surround speakers, eliminating the need for the long wire runs such speakers so often require. I myself have stuck with stereo due to the cost and hassle of running surround wires. With a wireless surround option, I would probably upgrade to 5.1. Such an option might significantly increase the number of people interested in 5.1.




The problem with that is it is almost a sure fact that wireless QS8 surrounds with their own internal amp would cost more than getting some cable and a QS8...alot more.
Posted By: oldskoolboarder Re: Wireless surrounds? - 02/28/07 06:34 PM
I'm also intrigued by the wireless speakers. My company is involved in the space somewhat. I say somewhat because most attempts at wireless speakers using technologies like Bluetooth and Wifi tend to be quite bad, there's too much intererence in the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz bands.
I completely agree with Craig, that the magnetic grills would be ideal. No post holes in the speaker, and no broken pegs on the grills. Probably easier to remove and replace the grills as well.
would the magnets be behind the vinyl/veneer?

that would be freakin awsome.
That's what I've always been envisioning...small, rather powerful magnets beneath the veneer. Line your grill up, and "click", they snap right into place. Don't like the look of grills...take them off, and you've got a nice clean look without post holes.


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would the magnets be behind the vinyl/veneer?

that would be freakin awsome.


Exactly.
Small neodymium rare earth disc magnets would do the trick.
Will the standard (non wireless) outdoor M3s look the same (size wise) as the ones pictured? If so, those things are huge.

I was hoping to get a pair to hang under the eave over my patio. From the looks of them though, I don't think they'll fit. Even if they do, I'm not sure my wife would go for it.
Oh great, just when I thought I was done spending money on this stuff.....Ian comes up with computer speakers for my work office, in wall / ceiling speakers that will work for my whole home system that I never got around to finishing due to lousy sounding speakers available, and now wireless speakers for my decks.

Then a bubby and was just asking me for ideas about how to add some non intrusive, in-wall electronics and wireless speakers for his living room plasma he just bought. Perfect timing.

I like the new board too. Where’s the remote for my EP 600?
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Small neodymium rare earth disc magnets would do the trick.




Well if that's the case, they aren't expensive!
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Will the standard (non wireless) outdoor M3s look the same (size wise) as the ones pictured? If so, those things are huge.

I was hoping to get a pair to hang under the eave over my patio. From the looks of them though, I don't think they'll fit. Even if they do, I'm not sure my wife would go for it.




Your wife sounds like my wife. Much to my surprise she thought the patio speakers in the same colour as the side panelling blended right in and were hardly noticeable unless you pointed them out. Maybe these are the first of an entire outdoor speaker line with different sized speakers?
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I was hoping to get a pair to hang under the eave over my patio.




In that application, you would probably mount them horizontally. It would be nice if the grill extended the entire length of the front baffle (for a more natural look in that configuration).
Wow, I too am amazed at the rapid expansion of the Axiom line. I'm especially excited about the computer speakers. I had been considering a M2/EP125 combo for my PC, but then I'd need a seperate amp to power the M2's. I love the new EPZero with a built in amp. That simplifies the setup a great deal. Two questions if I may. Any thoughts as to a time line for when we might see them? If you mentioned it in the first post, I missed it. Also, will the EPZero also sport the Intelligent DSP design that the EP500 and EP600 have? Sounds like a great package... I can't wait!
I've currently got a pair of M2's hooked up to a sony receiver on one of my computers. Sounds good, but I'm certain this new product is better...it certainly is better looking and easier to set up!
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In that application, you would probably mount them horizontally.




Definitely, but they are still huge!
Stymie,

The wired outdoor M3 will be the same size as the current M3. This is the size of just the grille in the wireless version pictured from the show. The added section on the wireless version is where the amp and battery are held.
Hi Wegiz;

The computer system is hopefully going to be released for Father's Day and the EPZero is not a DSP design.
Thanks for the clarification Ian! The probability of getting permission to get a pair or two just went up. Of course, it is easier to ask for forgiveness rather than permission.
I can't wait to see what the outdoor color (colour ) options are. If the options include anything close to an almond color, it's a done deal. (Especially if my wife has any input.) If not, I'm easily persuaded toward other color options. It's all about the music, right?
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Hi Wegiz;

The computer system is hopefully going to be released for Father's Day and the EPZero is not a DSP design.




So soon? Wonderful news.
the computer speakers caught my eye,
i'm just hoping that if we have to wait till
fathers day, the whole set could be ordered
in that piano black.
that was a horrible poem.


I thought the only
proper poems at this site
were in Haiku form
Awsome new products coming up! Thanks for the advance tour!
the only proper
haiku poems
have form
We were thinking of having four standard colours for these but since they are paintable you can make them match anything your wife would like. I believe the 4 colours being kicked around are black, white, grey, and beige. The beige may end up pretty close to that almond you are needing.
Thanks for the reply Ian. I'm betting beige will work out just fine.

Thanks,
Stymie
Like everyone else I'm excited to get M0 as my pc speaker. A few minutes ago I just found a news about it that it will cost $599 for a pair of M0 and sub (both will delivery 225 watts)
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/m0/
Being as gizmodo is not exactly the most reliable news source, I'd hold off a little on believing that pricing. Also, there's no way those are going to be called M0s.
Ian (or anyone who knows at Axiom),

Will this sub be powerfull enough to drive M2s as well? so in theory, you could buy this sub and M2s for a 2.1 system in a bedroom or something?

Also, has Axiom thought about making the EP 400 - 600 able to drive bookshelf speakers with its amp? Specifically the EP400, it would be a formidable upgrade at its price point and its designed purpose, negating the need for an external amp to drive the bookshelves, just hook up the speakers to the sub.
Hi Robb,

Amie said
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The computer speakers will have an outboard amplifier. You can order the active subwoofer separately to complete the set.




So, I think the earlier design (where all the amplification resided in the sub) has been scrapped to provide greater flexibility in purchase/installation. I'd imagine that the MZero (or whatever) outboard amp will be designed pretty specifically for - if not internal to - that system.

But, you know, I don't work here or anything. I just watch.
ahhhhhhhhh


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Hi Hutzal,

While the idea is at first attractive, this approach would require a lot of re-engineering, adding extra amplifiers inside the sub enclosure for the satellite speakers (the internal sub amplifier is dedicated to the subwoofer driver alone). The EP400/500/600 amplifiers are mono amps dedicated to the subs' woofers so you can't use it to also drive satellites. You have to add two more amps for the stereo sats.

This approach would then raise a controls issue--where do you put the level controls for the satellite speakers? They'd be too inconvenient on the back of the subwoofer itself. I think the market for this approach is too narrow as well.

You could certainly use the subwoofer with a pair of M2s if you wish, but only with a separate amplifier for the M2s.

Regards,
I didn't bump the thread to give Hutzal attention. Actually, it had fallen off the bottom of the What's New at Axiom area and I was looking for a picture of the T-Series speakers. I bumped it to the top again.
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