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Posted By: agentfox1942 Macro Remotes - 03/23/07 02:55 PM
Okay, I've really gotten tired of the girl friend and some guests not understanding how to turn on multiple devices with one remote - or hearing complaints about too many remotes. I've started researching macro or Icon-based remotes and thought I'd throw out the question here and some sound advice. I've looked at Logitec (well respected, cool website-based programming capability, not too expensive) and Crestron (high-end, fully capable of doing anything from downing a screen to turing off lights -won't pop corn though (yet) ) So, any suggestions ?? I value everyone's opinion on this board. Thanks - Mark
Posted By: PeterChenoweth Re: Macro Remotes - 03/23/07 03:30 PM
My wife is very tolerant of home theater gear, but she has always hated the 5+ remotes that seemed to float around the den. Never mind the, 'I want to listen to this CD, how do I do that?' questsions. Not that I'd ever tell anyone, but even I was tired of hunting through the 'remote basket' just to find the DVD player remote....

So I finally broke down and bought a Logitech Harmony 550 a couple of months ago. That's the 'cheap' one. I have tried the garden variety $40ish Wal-Mart universal remotes before, and have always hated them because they always just 'sort of' worked.

At first I didn't like the Harmony. It was certainly better than the cheaper ones I had used, but it didn't blow me away. Since the setup is all PC via USB based it was far easier than the usual code-punching of lesser remotes. But the default button setups were a mess and barely worked at doing anything other than turning stuff on, changing modes, and flipping channels. I understand that it would be impossible to automatically configure itself perfectly, so I dove deeper into the software.

After a couple of good solid hours of tinkering I finally had the remote working as expected. Then a few days later while tinkering a bit more I screwed up the remote's understanding of my receiver's inputs and could not figure out how to undo what I did. So I had to completely delete the receiver, which cascade-deleted all of the 'macros' and configurations that I had set up. Since the receiver is involved in everything, pretty much everything was affected. There's no backup & restore function in the software, so I had to start all over.

Now that it's all set up (again) and running the way I want, it's great. All of the main functions are grouped around an 'Activity'. Want to watch TV? Just press the 'Watch TV' button and the Harmony fires off all of the commands to power up & switch modes of devices. No explanations necessary, it's very easy. One power button shuts down the whole system. I have customized it to set sound modes, navigate to certain menus in my DishDVR, and so forth. It's very easy to use and my wife loves it.

It's a bit more tricky to use when it comes to 'custom' functions like changing modes on the SACD player or adjusting speaker level balances, but it works.

After using it for a couple of months and adjusting the remote and becomming used to how it works, I rarely touch any of my other remotes. My verdict? It takes some time and patience to set up, but once that's done it's great. I'm happy with it.

Oh, and FYI, the Logitech's will do 'other' devices too, such as lights and screens, so long as you have an IR (or RF, with a higher-end remote) interface to them.
Posted By: tomtuttle Re: Macro Remotes - 03/23/07 03:35 PM
Ray made most of us buy URC MX-700's a while back. Do a forum search on that term. Check out www.surfremote.com for a great vendor with good prices.

I completely solved the problem you describe with the MX-700. It is unbelievably powerful and versatile. There are newer versions out now, of course.
Posted By: agentfox1942 Re: Macro Remotes - 03/23/07 04:43 PM
Tomtuttle, great website. I'll have to look it over more closely. Has anyone dealt with RF to IR conversions? I like RF for it non-line-of-sight capability, but most of the little "buds" you put in front of the common IR ports dont' work too well in my experiences. All of my components are IR. I really like that TX-1000.
Posted By: Ken.C Re: Macro Remotes - 03/23/07 05:19 PM
I have a Harmony 670, and I like it a lot. My only problems are the lack of codes for my DVD changer. Although the last code update now lets me skip FBI warnings, previews, everything. So I'm not touching that one again...
Posted By: Ajax Re: Macro Remotes - 03/23/07 07:03 PM
Both the Harmony remotes, and the Home Theater Master remotes from Universal Remote Control have loyal and ardent supporters so I suspect either would be an excellent choice.

I, however, am firmly in the Home Theater Master camp MX-700 and MX-850). I did try a Harmony and much preferred the HTMs. I loved the fact that the MX-700 and MX-850 are programmable on my computer without having to go online. But, that is just my personal preference and opinion which may not reflect yours. If you opt to get an HTM remote, be sure to buy from an authorized dealer so you can get the upgradeable software (not all HTM remotes are computer programmable. The ones from the MX-700, on up, are). Don't buy from Ebay or any other unauthorized vendor.

You can check for a local authorized dealer here.

Authorized Online Vendors

Abt Electronics
Email: websales@abtelectronics.com

B+H Photo Video
Email: jeff@bhphotovideo.com

Best Buy

Blue Do
Email: info@bluedo.com

Coolbuys Canada

Hi Fi Sound Connection
Email: chris@hifisoundconnection.com

Huppin's/OneCall
Email: onecall@onecall.com

Pro Remotes
Email: damondg@proremotes.com

SmartHome.com

Surf Audio Video
Email: sales@surfremotecontrol.com

Tweeter

I've almost always found the best prices at Surfremote, or Bluedo. YMMV. Regardless of which brand you choose, when you've made up your mind, be sure to email discounts@surfremotecontrol.com asking if they offer a discount on the particular model(s) in which you are interested. They are not allowed to advertise the discounted prices on the web site, and you could save some dough. You've nothing to lose by asking. The worst that could happen is they say "sorry, no discount on that particular model."
Posted By: LightninJoe Re: Macro Remotes - 03/23/07 07:29 PM
Heehee. I was also coerced into buying an HTM/URC MX-700 by Ray. I've had almost as much fun building macros and redesigning the button setups as I have watching movies or listening to music. Now if I could just find input discretes for my new TV...
Posted By: MarkSJohnson Re: Macro Remotes - 03/23/07 07:32 PM
Yeah, Ray got me too. Anyone ever see the episode of MASH where Radar is dealing black and white wingtips? At the end, everyone is standing in formation with them. That would be us here on the forum, with all of us holding up our MX-700s....

I STILL haven't programmed any macros for my MX700 because of my Samsung DLP not having discrete codes for power and input. It's something I'll look for on my next TV.
Posted By: sonicfox Re: Macro Remotes - 03/23/07 07:35 PM
Jack...as usual, provinding us with handy links! He provides excellent service around here. If you are getting a HTM remote, I don't think you'll need to look any further than that!

Anyway, I also have the HTM MX-700 and I love it although I'm terrible at programming it. But I believe if done correctly, all users will be able to operate it without any problems. You can even make a custom macro button to line up all workable settings again in case something gets screwed up. It's possilities seem endless as long as you take the time to program it.
Posted By: HomeDad Re: Macro Remotes - 03/23/07 07:47 PM
I have the Harmony 880 and love it. The only thing it won't control is my PS3 which is bluetooth, #$%!!!## SONY
Posted By: Ray3 Re: Macro Remotes - 03/23/07 09:00 PM
LOL!!!

When I saw the title of the thread, I figured I was in for some abuse. Like Jack, I have evolved to an MX-700 and MX-850. The 850 also has RF capability (get the more expensive RF component - more dependable).

Tom mentioned how powerful the MXs are. I set up a device on my MX called "SWICH". It consists of (one button) macros that switch everything (tv, VID, audio, on, off - whatever) from where you are to where you want to be without additional human intervention. (I'm sorry, I said "you". What I REALLY meant was my wife!! )

Example, watching satellite and want to watch a DVD instead. "SA>DV" button turns off the satellite tuner, switches the TV to the DVD VID, switches the receiver to the DVD audio, turns on the DVD and opens the tray. You, excuse me - my wife, only needs to put the DVD in the tray and hit "Play". Never did I need to leave the computer room and go down two flights of steps to do all the switching during the whole process.

Cheap at 10x the price.

MX-850 is no brainer. The only downside is that I can't find any discrete codes for "wife". The two I am REALLY interested in are volume control and off.
Posted By: AdamP88 Re: Macro Remotes - 03/23/07 09:22 PM
I recently got a Harmony 670 and also like it a lot. It is a bit of a pain scrolling through all of the commands for my receiver if I want to adjust levels, so i usually keep the receiver remote available, too. I bought it more so my roommates had less of an excuse for leaving the tv on, or the stereo, or the dvd player...
Posted By: sonicfox Re: Macro Remotes - 03/23/07 09:34 PM
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You, excuse me - my wife, only needs to put the DVD in the tray and hit "Play".




Yep, pushing that OPEN button on the DVD player is such a pain in the ass, isn't it?


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MX-850 is no brainer. The only downside is that I can't find any discrete codes for "wife". The two I am REALLY interested in are volume control and off.




Hey there, Ray...be careful or else I will personally have send your wife a remote with all the "husband" discretes! I think I need to become the official defender of wives around here.
Posted By: michael_d Re: Macro Remotes - 03/23/07 09:34 PM
I’ve been using the MX 850 for a couple years now (thanks to Ray). It will literally do whatever you need. It all depends on how patient you are and just how creative you want to be with macros.

If you do decide to go with one of the RF / MX remotes make sure you upgrade to one of the base stations that allow for adjustable IR flasher output. I’ve had to get pretty creative with tape and my pen knife to “mellow” out the IR signal. Some of my components are pretty sensitive and the flashers can overwhelm them. One method to compensate (if you don’t have the adjustable base station) is to put a piece of tape with a very small (just right) hole in the tape. Then stick the flasher to the tape. If you can imagine, this can be a down right pain in the but.

I keep telling myself I need to order a new base station, but nothing seams to stay on my EQ rack for very long, so I just deal with the problems as they come up.
Posted By: gbondioli Re: Macro Remotes - 03/24/07 02:01 AM
Does anyone know the difference between the MX-800 and MX-850? (Besides $230 )
Posted By: Ajax Re: Macro Remotes - 03/24/07 02:52 AM
It's largely cosmetic, Geno. The 700 and 800 are older models, the 850 is newer.

There is a slight difference in the feel of the buttons; the lettering on the buttons are different fonts; and the back-lighting is different. On the 800, the buttons themselves and the screen light up with a greenish glow. On the 850, the lettering on the buttons (not the buttons themselves) and the screen light up with a lighter color.

The "select" button in the middle of the joystick is a completely separate button on the 850. On the 800 it's a part of the joystick itself. Other than that, the remotes pretty much do the same thing. Because of these differences, the 850 is slightly more user friendly. Only you can decide if that is worth extra dough.
Posted By: gbondioli Re: Macro Remotes - 03/24/07 03:03 AM
Thanks for that detailed breakdown, Ajax! So, the software is the same, then? They should both be able to control all the same devices, right (including the ability to control certain lighting systems)?
Posted By: Ajax Re: Macro Remotes - 03/24/07 04:05 AM
I believe so, yes. I use my 850 to control my x-10 lighting, and I used my MX-700 to do the same. I'm pretty sure the 800 will do so as well. If you lighting system has a remote, you can "teach" the MX remotes. If, like the X-10, your lighting doesn't have a remote, many .ccf code files are available at Remote Central which can be used with the HTM software's Universal Browser. Codes for lighting systems with remotes are also available at Remote Central.
Posted By: Haoleb Re: Macro Remotes - 03/24/07 05:04 AM
Where I work we usually will install a MX-900 and MRF basestation for a clients system, they are easy to program and work quite well, However my biggest complaint is that they are not rechargeable like the logitech units are. And they will run the batteries down even if you dont use it because the screen stays on all the time. Ive been using the MX800 i think it is... came with our B&K reciever, and its pretty good. However the RF capability would make life easier for people who dont understand you have to point the remote at the gear vs the projection screen

That said, If you get the MRF basestation you can hide all your gear away, and yes the IR emitter eyes are my second biggest complaint because they usually do fall off over time.

Of course if you wanted to spend the big bucks you could get something like an AMX or Crestron control system. A little overkill for a simple HT system though

Oh yeah, I hate the tx-1000. Yeah its cool and i would love to have one (for free) but its akward to use. You need two hands.
Posted By: Ray3 Re: Macro Remotes - 03/24/07 03:59 PM
Mary - I have been married for 36 years. My wife is a walking discrete code dispenser.
Posted By: michael_d Re: Macro Remotes - 03/24/07 05:06 PM
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Where I work we usually will install a MX-900 and MRF basestation for a clients system, they are easy to program and work quite well, However my biggest complaint is that they are not rechargeable like the logitech units are.




The 950 has a charging cradle now. I need an excuse to buy one. I do agree with you, the batteries don't last long.

And if you take some alcohol wipes with you, clean the stick-to area, you’ll break them little buggers before you will ever get them off. I’ve got a couple broke ones…..
Posted By: Hansang Re: Macro Remotes - 03/26/07 02:44 AM
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Where I work we usually will install a MX-900 and MRF basestation for a clients system, they are easy to program and work quite well, However my biggest complaint is that they are not rechargeable like the logitech units are. And they will run the batteries down even if you dont use it because the screen stays on all the time. [snip]




Just an FYI, you can program it to turn off the LCD after a variable amount of time.

I have both Harmony 890 and the MX900. MX900 wins hands down!
Posted By: INANE Re: Macro Remotes - 03/26/07 02:49 AM
I love my Harmony 880. Don't know how I'd live without it... and I only have 3 devices to control... TV, AVR and HTPC.
Posted By: Haoleb Re: Macro Remotes - 03/26/07 04:50 PM
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Where I work we usually will install a MX-900 and MRF basestation for a clients system, they are easy to program and work quite well, However my biggest complaint is that they are not rechargeable like the logitech units are. And they will run the batteries down even if you dont use it because the screen stays on all the time. [snip]




Just an FYI, you can program it to turn off the LCD after a variable amount of time.

I have both Harmony 890 and the MX900. MX900 wins hands down!




Cool, Usually im not the one who programs the remotes so i havent spent much time working with the program, I'll have to go and make sure we do this from now on
Posted By: Murph Re: Macro Remotes - 03/26/07 10:38 PM
Just to be different, I have the URC 300. I love the programmable touch screen and it's actually almost normal remote sized.

However, I do now wish I had something that is programmable by my PC(not by the web though). The Macro power is endless but assigning labels, buttons and macros entirely from the remote does take some practice and patience.

I also have the associated IR Blaster. It is worth the extra investment. If you get one, make sure it has (like this one) a few IR repeaters on cords as well. The Blaster repeats the Rf signals out as strong IR bouncing them off all the walls to make sure it hits all your devices but if you are like me, you will have one device that has trouble through a glass case or is just positioned in a bad place. You stick one of these little corded repeaters on it and problem solved.

Also, don't know if anyone mentioned... If you need to, you can fake out a lot of devices that don't have discreet codes so that they still only come on or off when you want them too.

A lot of TVs and other devices won't accept a 2nd [off] signal without a brief pause in between after it turns off. You can therefore trick it into doing what you want by plying with macros.

For example
[Pwr] + [Pwr] always turns it off
[Pwr] + [Pwr] + (2 sec pause) + [Pwr] always turns it on

You need to play with the pause times and my TV even required a .5 second pause between the double power presses to keep it from confusing it as one long signal.
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