My HT rm is 12x17x9 connect to a large open dining, kithchen, hall. My plan was to get the M60's as fronts, however what benifit does the 80's have over them. I don't listen as much to music except music/musicals DVD's. I have gone mid level Polks and lived with them and not been really happy.. Mid level SVS and not been really happy, and now Axiom's. I'm told the 60's are great. That's all I need. Plus I'm confused about a low ohm speaker. It seems as people have the when you grow up you can get the M80's. Are they that much better can someone help me out. I have QS8's and the 150 is on the way and I will have a really good sub soon too. If you think I will be stunned with 60's, thanks.. If you think not please let me know..Thanks!

M60's should be fine with a good sub.

Just curious, which SVS 'mid level' speakers did you try?

PB12+/2 v12.2, at the time I was happy but I've got the upgrade bug as people do.. Just looking fot the next level, ya know...

-fab5

The more subs the better. My room is 30 x 31 x 9 and I've owned both the 60's and 80's. They both do a great job. The 80's can handle more power and are a bit more detailed due to the dual tweets, mids, etc. Also, the bass is a little better in the 80's, but not night/day different.

OK, so it was an SVS sub, not their speakers...

Are you looking to upgrade the sub as well?

The M60s are stunning. You will think that nothing could possibly be better. I kind of hope I never hear M80s so I can remain in my happy little M60 world without temptation.

Be strong Murph... I've had mine for 9 months and have not had the desire to replace them.

Now repeat after me.

"M60's rule"
"M60's rule"
"M60's rule"
"M60's rule"
"M60's rule"
"M60's rule"
"M60's rule"
"M60's rule"

No the SVS speakers I've heard were fabulous in a med sealed room. I was amazed.. And then looked at the price and I started to have real second thoughts as to my set-up as these were soo very affordable. However, I based my system on the highly ranked QS8's and I'm hoping not to be disappointed with the rest of the set-up that I will add.. My buddy said "I couldn't asked for anything more, I'm done.." Man, that's the feeling I want as well, and I'm choosing Axiom.. We'll see... I'm not too worried though, maybe I'll be saying that too, and when he's over and while I'm grin'n at him..

Yes, I'm going to upgrade that sub.. Where should I post it??

Oh, I'm is Vegas..

What sub are you looking at, the PB13 Ultra? I love mine, the EP800 is a great sub as well.

I still am interested in the PC13 Ultra.

According to SVS the PB12+/2 has the PB13-Ultra beat for "output" for the first two tuning points due to it's dual drivers. But then down at the last tuning points is where the Ultra can beat it a bit.. So choosing an uprage.. It's been daunting, as there is so many great choices out there these days including Axiom...

Your room is about the same size as mine. I have an SVS PB12 Ultra/2 and I could not imagine more bass. I have to believe that the Plus/2 would be as good in my size room. I'm flat down to 11 Hz.

I have the M60's, VP150, and 4 QS8's along with the SVS. I'm 99.99% certain that M80's would be overkill (especially with my sub handling all the bass chores).

Dewd,

What tuning point are you using? I have not EQ'd mine that's probably the biigest problem.. It's has the 12.2 drivers I believe as well.. I mean it can pump for sure, it's big too.. I'm hoping to find a good home for it soon. That will help toward the M60's as well.

EQ'd with Audyssey MultEQ XT. I have the PEQ on the sub disabled. M60's crossed over at 60 Hz (tried 40 and 80, got the flattest response at 60).

It's not just about the output or low tuning but flat response as well and the PB13 is very flat, I haven't seen any FR graphs of the Pb12/2. I know the PB12-nsd has a bit of a bump in it's FR around the 50-60hz range which I found annoying.

That sub should be more than enough, if your wanting cleaner and/or more output try two Auralex SubDudes under the sub and some bass traps, then look at equalizing. That should help alot.

I have Auralex Gramma's under mine. They are bigger than the SubDude and not as pretty. They made a huge difference in my sound - the floor and doors are no longer part of it and my pictures are safe(r).

Guys, I'm back thanks!! Will the subdudes work on a concrete pad with the pb12+/2 firing onto a deflector plate??? Bass traps or lack of most certainly is an issue and EQ-ing would help I'm sure.. Thanks for the input.. I'm stoked about gettn' the M60's too.. Until I rebuild the media center I have a sophet like shelf 3/4 up my wall that opens to a den space. This opening will be sealed up soon and the M60's will have to lay on their sides up on that shelf (10" sophet). This will give me a straight line of speakers including the center with only a few inches in between the speakers.. Does anyone think that will be a problem? I think it will be cool as a temp set up with virtually seamless panning in HT..