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Posted By: Sevenman one vs. two subs - 01/06/10 08:22 AM
Getting ready to make my purchase and can't decide between one EP800 or two EP500's. I have a slightly above average basement without a whole lotta walls ( aprox 6500 cu. ft. ) I'm thinking the two 500's might fill in that space better?
Posted By: grunt Re: one vs. two subs - 01/06/10 08:44 AM
I’ve wondered about this myself some times. It might take until morning for some of the members with multi-sub and EP800 experience to see this but I’m interested in what they have to say.

I only have one EP500 and would be inclined to say that you try out one and if it’s not enough add another or upgrade to the EP800, especially if Axioms 30 day upgrade policy still has them pay the return shipping.

Rather than get a monster subwoofer to get the very low frequencies I chose instead to get an EP500 and a Buttkicker. The EP500 does a great job of filling my 5000 cu. ft. area (HT room and attached dining room and kitchen while the Buttkicker ensures I feel the very low end w/o having to turn the sub up to loud.

I planned to get another EP500 if I need more bass or needed two subwoofers to smooth out the bass in the room but one seems to be enough and I’m quite impressed by Audyssey’s EQ in smoothing out the LFE channel.
Posted By: Micah Re: one vs. two subs - 01/06/10 08:57 AM
I was in this position once apon a time. I decided to go with an EP800 instead of twin 500's. I think if I had it to do over again I would have gone with twin 500's myself. Not because the 800 didn't do a fantastic job, but because you get more options as far as killing bass 'lulls' in the room with two units. And seeing as this is in your basement I would assume you have a lot more creative control over what goes into it than you would upstairs in say the living room, eh?

I don't think you'll be disappointed either way you go, but if it were my money right now, it'd be twin EP500's on their way to my house!
Posted By: onn Re: one vs. two subs - 01/06/10 12:41 PM
Hey Micah
Are you going to get the new amp for your 800 to see if it'll fix your problems. Or are you going with something different?
Mel
Posted By: tomtuttle Re: one vs. two subs - 01/06/10 05:11 PM
I'd call Axiom.

I suspect that the EP800 will have higher overall output, but that twin EP500's will - as previously noted - allow you to provide a satisfying experience in more listening positions.
Posted By: Micah Re: one vs. two subs - 01/06/10 05:23 PM
 Originally Posted By: onn
Hey Micah
Are you going to get the new amp for your 800 to see if it'll fix your problems. Or are you going with something different?
Mel


They have a new amp for the EP800?
Posted By: Potatohead Re: one vs. two subs - 01/06/10 06:09 PM
 Originally Posted By: Micah
I was in this position once apon a time. I decided to go with an EP800 instead of twin 500's. I think if I had it to do over again I would have gone with twin 500's myself. Not because the 800 didn't do a fantastic job, but because you get more options as far as killing bass 'lulls' in the room with two units. And seeing as this is in your basement I would assume you have a lot more creative control over what goes into it than you would upstairs in say the living room, eh?

I don't think you'll be disappointed either way you go, but if it were my money right now, it'd be twin EP500's on their way to my house!


This is the major point IMO. Bass lulls are a definate problem with one sub, I would imagine in a large room it would be even worse.
Posted By: SirQuack Re: one vs. two subs - 01/06/10 06:44 PM
I was debating on twin 350's versus an EP500 to accompany my EP600 downstairs. I ended up with the two 350's and my 600. It is tricky to get everything calibrated correctly, but once done you can get very even bass around the room.
Posted By: ClubNeon Re: one vs. two subs - 01/06/10 07:01 PM
 Originally Posted By: Micah
They have a new amp for the EP800?

Yep.
Posted By: onn Re: one vs. two subs - 01/06/10 07:03 PM
You beat me to it Chris, thanks
Posted By: BigHonu Re: one vs. two subs - 01/06/10 10:47 PM
I think that ideally you would want to run two (or more) identical subs to help even out the response within the room.

However, the setup is not as easy as setting up one sub unless you are just going to co-locate the second one to get a boost in output.
Posted By: ClubNeon Re: one vs. two subs - 01/06/10 11:27 PM
The laws of physics prevent co-locating two subs in exactly the same place. Placing one on top of another can actually help smooth out bass response. There are floor to ceiling standing waves, having a sub placed higher or lower can allow it to couple with different modes even if the left to right and front to back don't change.

As a matter of fact, if trying to avoid boundary gain, I don't understand why so many subs place their cones within inches of the floor. Most of Axiom's get to cone up pretty high (although the ports may be a little low); the vertical EP600 and 800 completely avoid that problem (as long as you don't stuff them in a corner).

I'm probably going to get an ASC SubTrap, and see what it does. Although I may try a stack of 4 Auralex SubDudes, as I've read about people having good results with that for much less money (although it only eliminates boundary gain; performs no actual trapping).
Posted By: JohnK Re: one vs. two subs - 01/07/10 03:24 AM
7, welcome. As has been mentioned, generally two good subs(such as EP500s)would have an advantage in that they could be placed so as to help minimize fluctuations due to room modes. For example, placing them at the midpoints of the side walls, opposite each other, they'd be at a partial null for the room length mode and although they'd be at the maximum for the room width mode the phase relationships between the opposite walls would be opposite each other and would result in a partial cancellation of the width mode.
Posted By: BigHonu Re: one vs. two subs - 01/07/10 07:41 AM
Chris I'd be interested in your experiences with the traps when you get them.
Posted By: Murph Re: one vs. two subs - 01/07/10 12:36 PM
 Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
The laws of physics prevent co-locating two subs in exactly the same place.


I sometimes think that the laws of physics are just 'guidelines' to keep the lesser developed species like us from causing too much damage in the universe.

Posted By: terzaghi Re: one vs. two subs - 01/07/10 01:22 PM
The easy solution to this problem is to get two ep800's... ;\)
Posted By: Murph Re: one vs. two subs - 01/07/10 01:23 PM
Great idea, bunk beds!
Posted By: Adrian Re: one vs. two subs - 01/07/10 01:29 PM
 Originally Posted By: Murph
Great idea, bunk beds!

I get the bottom freq's!!!
Posted By: Micah Re: one vs. two subs - 01/07/10 06:17 PM
 Originally Posted By: Murph
 Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
The laws of physics prevent co-locating two subs in exactly the same place.


I sometimes think that the laws of physics are just 'guidelines' to keep the lesser developed species like us from causing too much damage in the universe.



Yes, and the laws of physics are policed by a pretty stringent judge. Because usually if you REALLY break the laws of physics, they put you to death immediatelly!

Sort of like in England.
Posted By: ClubNeon Re: one vs. two subs - 01/07/10 06:29 PM
I thought it was if you broke the laws of physics, they shipped you to Australia (or Georgia).
Posted By: Adrian Re: one vs. two subs - 01/07/10 06:32 PM
If you break it within the warranty period, you get a new one.
Posted By: Micah Re: one vs. two subs - 01/07/10 06:34 PM
 Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
I thought it was if you broke the laws of physics, they shipped you to Australia (or Georgia).



Oh hell no, you're way, WAY off bro. They haven't done that since... I think maybe the 90's or so.
Posted By: Micah Re: one vs. two subs - 01/07/10 06:35 PM
 Originally Posted By: Adrian
If you break it within the warranty period, you get a new one.



True, but you gotta make it look like an accident!
Posted By: Adrian Re: one vs. two subs - 01/07/10 10:32 PM
Where's Sheldon?
Posted By: pmbuko Re: one vs. two subs - 01/07/10 11:07 PM
I think he's somewhere over here.
Posted By: jakewash Re: one vs. two subs - 01/07/10 11:08 PM
Scared him off?
Posted By: Ken.C Re: one vs. two subs - 01/07/10 11:26 PM
Or here:
http://www.sheldoncomics.com
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