I was looking at my posts and I decided to check out my very 1st post on this forum... check it out, and post up your very 1st post so we can see it!

This was May 5, 2003. I was responding to a post Ken had made about the WAF of center channels.

From 09/16/2004...

Wow, here I was trying to ingratiate myself to the forum by, um, telling everyone about my speaker speaker shopping for NOT Axioms. Oh yeah, and I was trying to weasel my way into a listen session with Mark (bigwill).

06/22/03 03:06 PM



Just trying to get in on the conversation.

I registered and read the forum for 5 days, but didn't post until I had made my purchase. Have now still only picked up the VP150 in addition to my QS8s, but I also got a blender for the kitchen.

I want your blender.

Trade you for an EP800. (You knew that was coming.)

Really, though, an EP800 would probably get me kicked out of the apartment. This blender may as well, also. I was making my breakfast smoothie on Sunday, and shook a baking sheet off the counter at the other end of the room. Also watching the intro DVD which came with it; apparently on High (which is like turning it up to 11), it will heat (by friction of the blade) soup to steaming hot in about 5 minutes. Yeah, you can throw tomatoes and other ingredients into the thing, crank it up to max, and let it spin for 5 minutes, and have hot soup come out. Insane.

Ha ha, that really is insane. When are you trying it?

That is crazy. I think I'd heard of that before, but I didn't believe it.

Obviously the one that Peter replied to, and obviously not what I ended up doing...

In response to someone who was thinking or ordering an VP150 to start upgrading his speakers one by one.



Note: They were M80v2s, not M80tis... and I think the right one is on the left now, or it might just be a perspective thing...

That was an honest first post and getting truer every day...

The trend has been to make my posts shorter over the years, while still using the word "veiling" whenever possible, because it annoys a certain someone out there!

Did you move to the much larger space?

No. Still the sucky small one.

Mark, I thought for sure you'd include a link to the mother-of-all-posts.

But it wasn't my first....

If I were going to do that, I might as well post link to all 5525 posts. That would be a riot, wouldn't it?

For me, I mean.

What you don't know (yet) is that Axiom had to delete 5413 of your posts to save disk space...

I'm sure they were sorted based upon percentage of helpful information....

Hence the use of the word "deleted"...

Ah, did you get a Vita-Mix 5000? I've had one for five years now, incredible blender. The greatest thing about it is on high it spins so fast it breaks the cell wall making it possible to digest all of the vitamins and minerals locked inside of foods that sometimes otherwise simply pass right through your system!!!!


Now I see why you haven't bought your M60's just yet, as the Vita-Mix almost costs as much as a set!!!

And thus, Rick was INSTANTLY embraced by the Axiom community!

Perhaps its time to start a 'mother of all posts' thread & we can all post up our craziest posts eh?

Hmmmm... That kinda sounds a little too much like home work thought.

Actually, got the Vita-Mix Professional Series CIA (Model 1709). It's the basis for the 5200, but a restaurant-grade finish, and a $50 savings for being the no-nonsense version. (Sort of like Onkyo Pro vs. Integra.)

I just finished with my first computer build and was looking for some decent speakers. The problem is I got stuck in upgraditous mode for computer speakers until the price got to over $1000, at which point I just took the better ones I had on my computer at work and used them at home. Cost $zero.

My 1st post was I thread I started...since then I got Outlaw monos, a PB-13... and I gave the old Def-Tech sub away as a Christmas gift! I still have the EP-500... not being used!

I still have the big Kappa 8's stored here in my computer room. I'll have to get off my lazy ass and put em on ebay soon... it would have to be for local pick-up because of their size. But, I ramble...

Well I have a set of M80's, a set of QS8's, a VP150 and an EP800 hooked up to my computer along with a 65 inch monitor... BEAT THAT!!!


Haha, just kidding. It is awful nice having the computer hooked up to the HT though I must admit. Because like you, I would have probably constantly swapped up for better performance until I'd purchased another Epic 80/800 system just for it!!!

Spoiler you're not using the ep500? Is the PB13 that much better?

Ummm... squeeze me? Baking powder??? You have a $1250 dollar subwoofer laying around NOT being used??? You'd better have a damn good reason for this pal, this is subwoofer neglect, a crime punishable by death in a few of the more strict dimensions out there! Now out with it, how can this be???

According to this review, the frequency response of the PB13 isn't very flat.

That is an in room FR and means his room has some issues like all of ours. I would look to Hometheatershack and Ilka's testing at 15hz tune my prefered setting.

We managed to derail yet another thread

my first post:



That sub was never replaced until a couple years ago

Apparently, I lurked for about a year and a half prior to this first post - where I was beginning the build of my system. Starting with a Receiver then TV then speakers. Date of the post was 1/30/06. First person to answer me was.......JohnK.

Momentary thread derail time! Catbrat... that response curve is in that particular room with the PB13. Virtually any sub would have an uneven response curve depending on the room and where it's placed. I've got an SMS-1 as well and the curve was all over the place with both the PB13 and EP500 at first.

I bought the PB13 back in the Mojo days for those of you who remember....we traded many PM's when he was comparing the PB13 to the EP600. The EP500 is an outstanding sub... but for me the PB13 was worth upgrading (admittedly, factoring in the BIG hassle of shipping it back ) I could use the EP500 as a second sub, but evening the room response a little more isn't really a factor for me since I'm usually the only listener. The bass here is very nice, thank you.

So I'm torn as to keeping it or not. PM me if you'd like more info.

I have a Vitamix 5000 and can testify that it can, indeed, heat liquids to steaming hot.

I got mine as a late (by 3 years!) wedding present from a family friend.

I didn't realize the room affected the response that much, since I've never bought one yet. But, I should have known from all I've read here so far.

Jason, it's good that you said that, as I read that review a month or so ago and wasn't thrilled about the sub. I was going to save up for it, but after reading that review, I decided to try to save up longer for the Paradigm sub 25, which would easily outperform the PB 13 ultra, but at twice the cost. Now that you have mentioned that, I'm probably going to revert back to the original choice of the PB 13.

Cam

I love my PB13, I would really like to compare it to the EP800 with the new amps, someone care to lend me an EP800? .........Anyone?.........anyone?..........I guess I will have to take the PB13 up to Mel's sometime.

That's another thing. Both subs have comparable output, and I unfortunately can't justify another $500-$600(depending how much I can haggle), although I admittedly don't know the technical advantages/disadvantages of them head to head. I love Axiom, and don't want to have to go elsewhere, but the price difference is pretty steep. The way I look at it is if I was going to spend $2600 on the EP800, why not save up another $1400 or less for the sub 25, that would kick the living hell out of an EP800.

why yes, this is what I love about cleaning it. It's a breeze... simply add water and run on high for 3 - 4 minutes and you've sterilized it!

from 2-15-09
[Quote=]Two opposing things that I think calls for a well thought out compromise. This great room (w/ kitchen and dining room behind listening area) having ≈ 700 sq', and 6,000 cu', is coupled with an amp on the smaller side (Denon 1909, 90 wpc). So the ability (power wise)to go with large fronts to help fill this large area is limited. I am hoping M60's will do an adequate job as fronts. Sides easily will be QS8's. The Axiom rep. concurred that for 7.1 backs located 16' behind primary listening posistion, QS8 reflectives would not get to listeners well. He recommended M2 (5 1/4" drvr) front firing bookshelves. I was surprised he thought the M22's (dual 5 1/4" drvrs) would not add that much and that M2's would do well there.

I know it's more important for rears to match rears and fronts to match fronts. So the question may be somewhat splitting hairs... How well will the M2 5 1/4" drvrs timber match the M60's (dual 6 1/2" mid/bass, one 5 1/4" mid drvr)? Great that the M2 has exactly the same driver and tweeter as the M8 surrounds. Also, what width apart would be a good choice for backs being 16' behind list. pos.? Current rears are on a shelf in corners. During Audyssey set up, you can tell the corner boosts them in a way that does not blend well.

Thanks, Dave[Quote]

Boy, did I learn how many hairs I tried to split. It took a loong time to let that go. ;o)

Did tons of testing with M80s, M60s, VP150 and (4) QS8s. I settled on M80s and the VP150. I've been away a long time. Been enjoying the home theater, instead of my previous analysis paralysis.

Thanks to all who helped (and tolerated) me in my long decision process!

I hope all are well personally and electronically.

Hey Dave! Good to see you again!

Dave! Welcome back! Please stay awhile.

[quote=davekro]from 2-15-09
[Quote=]Two opposing things that I think calls for a well thought out compromise. This great room (w/ kitchen and dining room behind listening area) having ≈ 700 sq', and 6,000 cu', is coupled with an amp on the smaller side (Denon 1909, 90 wpc). So the ability (power wise)to go with large fronts to help fill this large area is limited. I am hoping M60's will do an adequate job as fronts. Sides easily will be QS8's. The Axiom rep. concurred that for 7.1 backs located 16' behind primary listening posistion, QS8 reflectives would not get to listeners well. He recommended M2 (5 1/4" drvr) front firing bookshelves. I was surprised he thought the M22's (dual 5 1/4" drvrs) would not add that much and that M2's would do well there.

I know it's more important for rears to match rears and fronts to match fronts. So the question may be somewhat splitting hairs... How well will the M2 5 1/4" drvrs timber match the M60's (dual 6 1/2" mid/bass, one 5 1/4" mid drvr)? Great that the M2 has exactly the same driver and tweeter as the M8 surrounds. Also, what width apart would be a good choice for backs being 16' behind list. pos.? Current rears are on a shelf in corners. During Audyssey set up, you can tell the corner boosts them in a way that does not blend well.

Thanks, Dave


Well that's all fine and good, but Dave we've moved on if you haven't noticed. Now tell us, what blender do you have?

Hey, it is nice to see you back around these parts. We both showed up at about the same time. You have some catching up to do now that I have twice as many posts as you.

So yes, start with kitchen appliances.

Hey that's cool, we both hit 1111 post together Chris! Of course, posting this up will up my count to 1112, but as I'm looking at them at this second, we're both at 1111... you reached it a little faster than I did however, you bastard!!!

post #9408 - 03/12/03 08:32 AM
Shipping to Hawaii free?

Shipping was free, and I ordered an M2i.

Yes indeed. And you didn't stop there by the looks of things! Congrats, and did it really say, "shipping to Hawaii has happened" on the website? That's pretty funny actually.

.

You did what?

We're you trying to say something?

The tire tracks disappeared from your wall and now adorn mine.

We are indeed.

I seem to be missing something?

Actually, you had a few extra things.

my first post below. I was debating on klipsch or axiom m60s (or maybe even the m50s) with an ep350, and I planned on getting a yamaha receiver.

Looks like I blew my original 2k budget by opting for the epic 80 500 and a 3808 . I just happened to find an audition for the m80s and couldn't go back... and with 6ave offering such a great deal on the 3808 who couldn't give in?

Yeah, that's quite a budget overrun... Did you use to work as an accountant at Nortel?

That's why they call it a budget. You start at say, $2000 then you "budge it" a few times till you get what you want.

Well, when I realized I wanted to spend about twice as much as originally budgeted I delayed my purchase 6-7 months and saved up.

Good one

I did a lot better this time around, I had a figure of around $4000 bucks to spend in my head, and the Epic 80/800 all from the factory outlet cost $4400. Not bad.

Expecially not bad considering my last HT debacle. I had a 36 inch TV in my basement that I wanted to upgrade to a big screen. I saw where our company gave discounts on a certain brand, I think it was perhaps Sharp or Zenith? Anyway, so I started looking at getting a 50 inch rear projection, that would cost $2000 bucks with my company discount. But then when I went down to HH Greggs (I'd been doing all my shopping online to that point) to actually see the TV in person, I fell for a Toshiba 65" rear projection that cost $3500. Then I decided to update my reciever from the crappy Sony thing (that came in one of those 'rack systems' they sold at Sears... A reciever, dual tape deck, CD player & two tower speakers for $400 bucks) I had to something better... well after scouring the internet I finally talked myself into the Denon 4802 that I currently still own, for a mere $2200 bucks (I say mere because it listed for over $3000 dollars on Denon's webste, but after endless nights searching for the best deal I could get, I found it for $2200... How could I NOT take advantage of such a deal, right?). Then came the 9 piece surround sound, wires (back then I fell for Monsters propaganda hook, line & sinker... I had over $1000 dollars in the wire, cables & of course their premium power conditioner. So 50% of my ORIGINAL budget I gave to Monster. Oh yeah, color me stupid), new DVD player, yada yada... All told my initial $2000 dollar budget ended up being a $9000 dollar home theater.

Which I enjoyed for years mind you, but let's just say the wife wasn't impressed with my lack of discipline for quite some time!











P.S. Of all my purchases, the Denon really did knock my socks off!

Oh and the 9 piece surround sound was actually 11 pieces, as I utilized all 6 of the surround channels the Denon supplied, plus left/right mains, a center and two original subwoofers. A 220 watt Cerwin Vega down firing sub and a 350 watt JVC down firing monster that rocked that basement like nothing else!!! The only problem was the JVC would only last 3 or 4 weeks and then it would quit working altogether! I went through 3 of them until they discontinued it. Then I switched to an Acoustic Research model. But it fizzled out after about two months. After that I gave up and just stuck with the Cerwin Vega.

So, has anyone else here gone $7000 grand over their original budget? Please make me feel better, am I the least disciplined (and most foolish, spending $1000+ on Monster Cables) member of this board???

Sorry, can't help you feel better, I only went $6999 over budget.

Who even makes a budget beforehand?

yeah, setting a budget is like setting yourself up for failure.

Thanks Tom. Stewie is 'the man'! My favorite line of his is: (whispered very slowly) "... ANYWHERE!" From the ski race episode he lost. His payment was to be giving Brian to the guy. He told the guy: "If you peanut butter anywhere on your body, he will lick it off." "... ANYWHERE!" wink, wink

Ken,
Good to hear your smiling fingers. Congratulations on your new baby. When I was at your place to listen to your speakers, your wife was 'very close'. Thanks for your help.

Micah,
I am just newly back. That's a bit personal so fast don't ya think? At least buy me a drink to maybe loosen me up a bit.

Chris,
Geese, always measurin'. Yeh, well I got two M80's more than you, dude. Thanks for the welcome back. My time suck has been reading political blogs (to keep my blood pressure high).

OK, OK, I can no longer take the pier pressure. We have two Osterizer's and a Jack La Lanne Power Juice.

Geez, it's like blender geek central around here.

No problem, Bill!

Spoken like a man without a really cool blender. It's ok, maybe one day you too will know the joy that is blending... professionally.

Mark,
Many apologies Mr Woodman. I got confused (I do that a lot) by the 'Tom' in your signature. I hope your four legged is going well. Oh you and your family too.

"...is DOING well." See, told you I was confused.

First posts are embarrassing:



Not that I know much more at this point, but still.

Mmmmmm, taste the freshness in that post!

Dave, no problem at all...I'm just teasing. Unfortunately, Gus is no longer with us...

I saw what you did there, CV, and I approve!

You're right, using the full "Millenia M80 v2 floorstanding speakers" is quite embarassing...

Well I readily admit that I've learned a good 75% of my total HT knowledge from this site alone. And believe me when I tell you that I researched HT exhaustively for years and years, even when I didn't have the money to spend on any of the stuff I researched, because high end audio has always truely fascinated me so much. The difference between all those years and the last year and 3 months is, I was never a part of a forum like this before. And jumping into a place like this with both feet and asking/inquiring/stating anything and everything that comes to your mind... well it's invaluable as far as learning is concerned. Go ahead, make a fool of yourself.... I have (do you remember my solving the age old problem of gravity... case and point), there's no better way to uncover real knowledge as far as I'm concerned.

And no, lurking around in the wood work for a year and a half before you make your very first post isn't going to do THAT much for your knowledge base. It may help some, but it's like sitting around listening to a couple of truely brilliant philosophers hashing out theories for hours a day, day in and day out for as long as you could stand doing so. Sure you'll learn a thing or two, but not nearly as much as you'd learn if you had the opportunity to jump right in there with them and let forth everything you know (or thought you knew) so that they could correct any ignorances you may have, plus give you the opportunity to really pick their minds for things that to them may seem elementary, but would clear up things that have baffled you for the better part of your life. Participation is huge.

We all have to start somewhere. There is still many more times as many things that I don't know then what I do know... but I can't express how much better off I am at this point than I was on 11/16 of 2008. Even thought I thought I was REALLY on top of everything back then. One example of the sort of knowledge I've gained from this site... when I first came here I was interested in stuff like finding out which of those ultra premium wires you read about in audio magazines were really, truely the very best at giving your system the biggest advantage over your neighbor's MonsterCable set-up... now I know that even worrying about such things is as big a sign of ignorance as it gets.

I must say though, the best, most insightful 'first post' I've read so far in 9 pages has been...




That man has wisdom beyond his years!

Hey, me too!

Me Three.

Me four. Can't disagree with Jay, he might Keeeel Me!!

EEnnnfidellll!!!

I saw the 5200 being demoed at Costco, and I thought of you. I think it was $394.99 or around there. So you basically paid that much but got a restaurant-grade finish? How much difference does the finish actually make? Just curious.

$394.99??? I paid $650 way back when I got my 5000 series... They've come down that much?

So much for passing it down to my son as an heirloom!

Well, my mom got a Vitamix 5200 blender today. I told her she should get the professional version like you did, but she didn't listen. I'm going to have to try it out.

It looks a lot like mine. To put it in terms people here may understand. The one I have is an Integra, and her's in an Onkyo. Same thing inside, but different labels on the front. Her's even has the new, BPA-free container, and the new Swedish motor from the Pro series. Just not in the brushed stainless finish.

My first post.. man it was long one ! Back in 06

Since then, I have added 2 QS8s and an EP500. I still have the Veritas, but not for long. They are for sale and a pair of Acoustic Zen Adagio are on the way.
Also, last year I outfitted my cousin with a full Epic 80 / 500 system. He loves it of course :-)

Oh.. I also have the Vita-Mix Professional blender and I love it. Got it about 4 years ago.
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Hello everyone,

Just registered a few minutes ago. The main reason for doing so was to engage in discussions with some actual users of Axiom products and services, not just base my opinions on reviews and resellers. I figured the best persons to ask are those with the products in their homes.

I have a decent HT system now that I also use for 2 channel stereo listening. My system does a good job at movies but I find my main speakers lacking in bass output in stereo mode. I know that my room is to blame for some the perceived bass output or lack thereof, I am currently trying to address that. I did manage to get more out of my speakers by spending many hours, and a few beers :-), positioning them around my listening area. But I still feel there is some bottom end lacking to round out the overall sound. Of course, when I engage the subwoofer I get plenty of bass and it does sound good, but it is not as natural and I would like to own speakers that can stand on their own for music and still perform well in HT mode.

My current system is as follows:

Anthem AVM20 processor
Anthem MCA20 2 channel amplifer feeding mains
Adcom GFA7400 5 channel amplifier
Cambridge Audio Azur 540D DVD player
Rega Planar 3 TT, Rega Super Elyse on upgraded RB300 tonearm
Energy Veritas 2.3s for mains (bi-wired)
Energy Veritas 2.0c centre
Energy Pro.5s surround
Energy ES-10 Subwoofer
Kimber Kable for fronts / center
Monster HP XP for the rest

By all accounts, the Veritas 2.3s are supposed to have more than decent bass output but I just can't hear it. I have read review after reviews stating so, Energy assure me they have very good bass output etc..The dual 6.5inch drivers don't seem to be up to the task. I have addressed some room issues with absorbtion etc.. I have moved the speakers around for hours and ended up with "more" bass but just not what I am looking for.

They are extremely good with highs and mids and I would not want to lose that aspect, they excell in that area, but the overall sound is thin as opposed to full. Some people describe the sound as tight, fast, accurate and yes I agree that they are, but at the end of the day, the bass is still not there.
Love the centre channel, not happy about the mains. Looking for a replacement.

Really wondering how the M80s fair in comparison, they also have dual 6.5in drivers which makes me a bit leary about their bass performance. Like I said, everything I have read about my 2.3s says they have great bass, maybe in their listening room but not in my basement they don't.

I have also auditionned the Klipsch REF82, which sounded pretty good, except for the mid range, that was a bit lacking, but the bass was decent. The 82s are not even in the same timezone as the REF83s, which I have not heard yet but would really like to. They have 3 X 8inch drivers plus tweater. But the REF83s are also $3,500, the same price I paid for my Veritas 2.3s.

I look forward to any comments, opinions, ideas etc..

Thank you all,

Stephane
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Nice, better late than never right.

That's what I thought you meant, Micah.