VP180

Posted by: Nick B

VP180 - 04/30/10 03:22 PM

Anyone plan on pre-ordering this thing? It is claimed to have the same frequency response as the m80's. But, there aren't any specs about the dimensions. It looks like they just took the M80 and turned it on its side and reorganized the drivers, so it should have about the same dimensions as the m80's though I'm guessing. I'll have to see how much I can trade my vp150 in for.

- Nick
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 03:25 PM

I'm thinking hard about it but I need to get my HT receiver back from service. Currently using a stereo receiver so not much love for the center channel...
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 03:28 PM

 Originally Posted By: nickboros
Anyone plan on pre-ordering this thing? It is claimed to have the same frequency response as the m80's. But, there aren't any specs about the dimensions. It looks like they just took the M80 and turned it on its side and reorganized the drivers, so it should have about the same dimensions as the m80's though I'm guessing. I'll have to see how much I can trade my vp150 in for.

- Nick


I just ordered one and the dimensions are the same as the M80.
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 03:40 PM

I'll be placing my order in the next day or two ... the finance officer is out of town 'til tomorrow and I really *should* run it by her first, if she refuses I'll have to replace her.

And she knows I will.
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 03:58 PM

So running it by her is completely rhetorical then eh?
Posted by: Da_Gimp_Pimp

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 04:00 PM

Where's the info? Is there a web page up for it yet?

Thanks
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 04:11 PM

Info hasn't been posted yet but there is a picture of it in the other thread. Physically and sonically it is supposed to be very very similar to the M80.
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 04:44 PM

There's no page for it; it's currently only available through the owner's club. The specs I have seen are largely identical to the M80s, although the crossover points listed are different than the M80's listed ones. Here's what I've got:

Specs

Enclosure: Triple Vortex / Reflex
Max Amp Power: 400 Watts
Min Amp Power: 10 Watts
Freq Resp +/-3dB (Hz): 34 - 22kHz Graph
Freq Resp +3dB- 9dB (Hz): 25 - 22kHz
Impedance (Ohms): 4 Ohms
SPL in Room1w/1m(db): 95 dB
SPL Anechoic 1w/1m(db): 91 dB
X-Over 150 Hz & 2.7 kHz
Tweeter: Dual 1"
Woofer: Dual 5.25"
Sub Woofer: Dual 6.5"
Dimens. H W D (inches) 39.5" x 9.25" x 17"
Dimens. H W D (mm): 1003 x 235 x 432
Weight (lbs) 56.8 lbs
Weight (kg) 25.764 kgs

I've emailed for clarification on the triple vortex as there's no port on the front.
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 04:50 PM

Ken, I'm guessing that the underside of the 180 is flat, and the top has a taper on it like the other centres?
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 04:51 PM

Not from what Ian et al were saying when we talked about it last. I'm not certain about the final product.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 05:46 PM

 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
Not from what Ian et al were saying when we talked about it last. I'm not certain about the final product.


That's interesting, I would've thought for sure it'd be flat on one side like the VP150. Maybe they tried it and couldn't get it to sound as close to the M80 as the dual taper cabinet.

I imagine most of these are going to go under the screen/display anyways, so the taper will help direct it up towards the listeners ears.
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 05:55 PM

If the bottom *isn't* flat, then the stand must also have an angle on it to match the taper on the cabinet. There would certainly be people who would want it firing straight out, where others might want some angle to get the best performance. My guess, and that's all it is, would be a taper on one side equal to or similar to the inclusive angle on the M80.
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 05:58 PM

Rubber doorstops!


Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 06:04 PM

 Originally Posted By: Adrian
If the bottom *isn't* flat, then the stand must also have an angle on it to match the taper on the cabinet. There would certainly be people who would want it firing straight out, where others might want some angle to get the best performance. My guess, and that's all it is, would be a taper on one side equal to or similar to the inclusive angle on the M80.


That would be my guess too. Hard to tell from the pic but it does look flat on the bottom, assuming the stands aren't tapered (and I don't think they will be).
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 06:06 PM

OK, I just ordered one with stands. I didn't have much choice after whining for the last two years that Axiom should make an M60-based VP250.

I do think the new speaker deserves a higher number than VP180, should be VP350 at the very least ;\)

I still feel a twinge of guilt for not buying an EP350v3 since I talked about *that* one so much that Amie started cutting me off in mid-sentence whenever conversation headed in that direction. Then again I already have a big-ass subwoofer but I sure don't have anything like this.

Did anyone else check the date when they first saw the picture to make sure it wasn't an April Fools joke ?
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 06:14 PM

Rick, if you look closely, those say "BigFoot" on them. They are meant for a different centre \:D
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 06:22 PM

Ian said that the bottom is flat on one side and angled on the other, like the VP150.
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 06:34 PM

That makes sense. It gives the user the most flexibility.
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 06:36 PM

Ah, ok. I had been confused on that when they were telling us about it.

John, I suggested they call it the VP800. Oh well.
Posted by: SirQuack

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 06:39 PM

I agree Ken, we were told differently during the conference call, but I know the subject was mentioned. Maybe they took our suggestions. \:\)
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 06:39 PM

Yeah, VP800 would be about right. Maybe VP180 is just a typo.
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 06:42 PM

I wanted to call it the C80.
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 06:47 PM

Once it get's placed in your own home you can call it whatever you want .... I'm thinking about calling mine "The big-ass center channel".
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 06:50 PM

That's what everyone else is going to be calling it anyways ;\)
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 06:51 PM

It's Bigfoot vs. Bigass!

Signature now truly applies.
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 06:55 PM

If I get one, I'll call it the J-Lo.
Posted by: SirQuack

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 06:56 PM

oooooooooooooooooh yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ba ba oooooooooooooooooooooooh yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 06:56 PM

Let's not go there...
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 06:57 PM

Quack, you beat me to it
Posted by: SirQuack

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 06:59 PM

I was thinking about Ferris Buellers Day Off, what were you thinking about, lol...
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 08:55 PM

 Originally Posted By: sirquack
I was thinking about Ferris Buellers Day Off, what were you thinking about, lol...


Some of the other threads just got me jumping at every little sign of, ahem, "derailment." ;\)
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 09:03 PM

I dunno, I think VP180 is about right... it only has one more driver than the VP150 after all. Seems like a logical progression IMO.
Posted by: JohnK

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 09:56 PM

Ken, I'd guess that "Triple Vortex" refers to three back ports.
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 09:57 PM

are there any photos anywhere of the new center?

funny, I called Brent about 6 months ago asking for a larger center channel, guess I'm not the only one eh?
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 10:01 PM

Check the Water Cooler thread, Dakkon!
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 10:15 PM

ok, thanks bro.
Posted by: michael_d

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 11:08 PM

 Originally Posted By: bridgman
Yeah, VP800 would be about right. Maybe VP180 is just a typo.


No, we all lobbied for that, but were overruled by the owner and CEO of the company.
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 11:20 PM

 Quote:
No, we all lobbied for that, but were overruled by the owner and CEO of the company.


Oh yeah ? What's *his* post count ?

Micah has a good point though - VP180 has 6 drivers vs 5 for VP150 so I guess VP180 does make a lot of sense. The new speaker just seems so much more... substantial than the model number would suggest.

I wonder what Ian had in mind for the *real* VP800 when he nixed that name for this speaker ?
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 11:39 PM

Yeah, mathmatically speaking with the VP100 having 3 drivers the VP150 actually should have been called the VP166.6, then they could have called this one the VP200.

But who in the hell would buy a speaker called the VP166.6???
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 11:40 PM

 Originally Posted By: Micah
But who in the hell would buy a speaker called the VP166.6???


The same people who use Ubuntu Satanic Edition ?
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 11:41 PM

Yikes! \:o
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 04/30/10 11:56 PM

Well, it's only 10% satanic, so...
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 12:46 AM

Of course there are worse things than Ubuntu Satanic Edition :


Posted by: fredk

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 02:10 AM

Yikes!!
Posted by: St_PatGuy

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 02:44 AM

Also, I think calling it the VP800 would be too close to the EP800. Kinda makes sense calling it the VP180.
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 03:16 AM

Yeah, I envision a center channel with twin 12 inch woofers and a 600 watt amp when I hear VP800.
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 05:04 AM

Who's going to be the first one running dual VP180s?
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 05:16 AM

Also, I just noticed it said the VP180s would begin shipping on May 31st but that the stands would start shipping on June 30th. Am I reading that right?
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 05:20 AM

Also, I want someone to try a pair of these vertically as mains, on stands so that the tweeters are above and below ear level.
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 06:45 AM

Regular ears, or your own special Fresh Ears?
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 09:16 AM

 Originally Posted By: CV
Also, I want someone to try a pair of these vertically as mains, on stands so that the tweeters are above and below ear level.



Well, which one of us do you want to try it? We're waiting on your decision, come on already, the suspense is killing us!
Posted by: a401classic

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 09:16 AM

 Originally Posted By: nickboros
Anyone plan on pre-ordering this thing? It is claimed to have the same frequency response as the m80's. But, there aren't any specs about the dimensions. It looks like they just took the M80 and turned it on its side and reorganized the drivers, so it should have about the same dimensions as the m80's though I'm guessing. I'll have to see how much I can trade my vp150 in for.

- Nick


I'm going to look and see if a trade is possible as well. Also need to check to see if the shelf above the TV will handle 56 pounds. Maybe I could test that with the 7 year old ;\)

Scott
Posted by: a401classic

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 09:24 AM

 Quote:

I wonder what Ian had in mind for the *real* VP800 when he nixed that name for this speaker ?


My guess would be that it would be too easily confused (typo wise) with the EP800. Can you imagine trying to put that over your TV??

Scott
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 09:24 AM

 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
There's no page for it; it's currently only available through the owner's club...



Ummm... ok so where is this 'owners club'??? I'm an owner, I thought THIS was our club?



...and for the love of God will one of you 'owners club' snobs post a picture up for the rest of us unworthy non-members!



;\)
Posted by: Wid

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 09:31 AM



Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 09:33 AM

 Originally Posted By: wid




Thanks................. snob.



\:D
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 09:39 AM

I'm going to take CV's request one step further... I want someone to buy 7 of these to use in every position of a 7.1 set-up. Only I'm not going to make any bones about it.... Dean, you get the job. Your researching skills have earned you this task. I expect a full report by weeks end. Get to it man!
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 10:02 AM

I must say, upon first seeing this thread yesterday I really had no interest what-so-ever in switching from my current VP150 over to this monster as I've always been quite pleased with the performance out of my center as is. I've heard many people complain that voices sound thin and/or as if talking through a tin can, but I've never experienced this phenomenon personally. So I really didn't think I needed to pay any amount of money for one extra driver when I'm already happy.

But then my curiosity started to grow....

Upon further reflection I started to wonder what my music would sound like (since I listen in 5.1 now-a-days) with the extra bass and all from the two bigger drivers in this unit. And now I'm on the fence, so I was wondering what Axiom is offering in exchange for sending your VP150 back in and ordering one of these? If the difference isn't all that much, then perhaps I'll consider it more seriously.






...oh who am I kidding? If I'm already 'on the fence' on day two, by Monday I'll probably be packing the VP150 up and sending it back already!!! \:o
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 10:05 AM

 Originally Posted By: wid




I'm thinking they should have added two 12 inch woofers on either end, named it the VP880, and everyone would be happy!

\:\)
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 10:07 AM

Micah, the Owners Club is under the "Store" icon. As I remember it, you just sign up online.

added: you might have to register your speakers first.
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 10:14 AM

Register my speakers? Why, so that 'Big Brother' can keep their eye on me, watching my every move, taxing me for my 'frivolous speaker purchase' and what not? I think NOT!!!

Nah I'd rather hide in the shadows, only coming out long enough to bait you 'sheep' into posting up pictures and other owners club information all the while eating my 'tax free' popcorn and laughing devilishly, MU HU HA HAHAHAHA HAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AH HA ha HAHA ha!!!!!!
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 10:21 AM

 Originally Posted By: Micah
...so that 'Big Brother' can keep their eye on me, watching my every move

No, no, no. We have Mark doing that.
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 10:22 AM

OK, you can do that, but then you can't get the VP800 for $100 off a month before the general public.
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 10:23 AM

Mark? DOH!!! I knew he smelled 'big brotherly'!
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 10:24 AM

 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
OK, you can do that, but then you can't get the VP800 for $100 off a month before the general public.




MU HU HAHA HAHAHA HA HAHAHAHAHa ha....... hu?













......oh, ummmm... where do I sign up again?
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 10:30 AM

The biggest difference is not only the size but now the center speaker is full range compared to the 150. Set this baby to large! With this new center with M80 mains these puppies are just begging for a professional style amp to be powered by or even the Axiom A1400-8/A1400-3. ;\)
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 10:46 AM

You should register Micah. Then again, I have never received a newsletter in the E-Mail once I did... I just keep checking the site.

Just a curious question for the Axiom Panel... Was this speaker in development before I contacted Ian in December?
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 10:48 AM

We heard about it from you about a week after we heard about it from Ian. I think our first meeting was in January.

In other words, I dunno.
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 10:55 AM

I'm sure the idea has been around for a while. As people started asking for one or talking about a larger centre to go with the M60/80s, maybe Ian figured the timing was right to bring it to fruition.
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 11:10 AM

 Originally Posted By: Adrian

No, no, no. We have Mark doing that.


Awwww....shaddup about that already!

And pull up your pants. You look like a plumber.
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 11:14 AM

I knew it!!

I wonder if this coincides with the Sasquatch sitings in Caledon recently?

;\)
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 11:19 AM

Nah.

Though there are many similarities, I don't have the height. \:\(
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 11:21 AM

 Originally Posted By: Adrian
I'm sure the idea has been around for a while. As people started asking for one or talking about a larger centre to go with the M60/80s, maybe Ian figured the timing was right to bring it to fruition.


I think you're right. The first time I brought it up I was told there were no plans for a new/bigger centre speaker. Eventually enough people must've expressed interest, though, because I asked again later and was dangled the proverbial carrot
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 11:22 AM

 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
Nah.

Though there are many similarities, I don't have the height. \:\(


Or the hair...unless you don't look anything like your avatar.
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 11:48 AM

On top of my head, no.

Over the rest of my body..... I make Robin Williams look like an Olympic swimmer.





(well, no... not true on any count. But I thought the snappy comeback was worth the lie!)
Posted by: chesseroo

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 12:02 PM

Can one assume that this new centre channel will require two Full Metal Brackets for wall mounting?

I am intrigued and likely would have bought it years back, but with a good soundstage using the VP150 at present, i think i'll pass, for now.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 12:23 PM

 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
On top of my head, no.

Over the rest of my body..... I make Robin Williams look like an Olympic swimmer.





(well, no... not true on any count. But I thought the snappy comeback was worth the lie!)


It was!
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 12:27 PM

 Originally Posted By: chesseroo
Can one assume that this new centre channel will require two Full Metal Brackets for wall mounting?

I am intrigued and likely would have bought it years back, but with a good soundstage using the VP150 at present, i think i'll pass, for now.


I doubt it has the screw/mount holes on the back. I don't think they had that in mind, especially since the ports are at the back. All that aside, yes, I would definitely use at least two FMB's to try and mount that sucker (but I still don't recommend it).
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 01:08 PM

It's as deep as the M80s. It ain't getting wall mounted. Well, unless your wall is solid steel and you have counterweights or something.
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 01:21 PM

I bet Dean could wall-mount that sucker.

Perhaps even without Sean's "help".


Posted by: SirQuack

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 01:22 PM

I suppose a custom shelf below my screen might work, not sure the stands can be adjusted to get to ear level.
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 01:23 PM

Makes me wish I didn't abandon my plans for manufacturing that center channel speaker mount.
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 01:23 PM

Are you suggesting Sean would have been the counterweight?
Posted by: St_PatGuy

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 01:25 PM

No, my job is to sit on the couch and say, "Higher. . no lower. . .now a little to the left. . .no, no go back! Okay, higher. . . almost. . .no, lower and to the right. . . .wow, I can't get over how heavy that speaker looks."
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 01:26 PM

Holy Crap. You're my wife.
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 01:27 PM

Ha ha. I'm glad someone's there for Dean.
Posted by: St_PatGuy

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 01:28 PM

And you forgot to put the toilet seat down!
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 01:29 PM

 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
Holy Crap. You're my wife.


I'd say to divorce just so he'd take half of your square room, but the dimensions still wouldn't be ideal.
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 01:30 PM

 Quote:
Holy Crap. You're my wife.


That made me laugh for a long time in a really authentic and childish way.

What a great day.
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 01:31 PM



May you all suffer from round worms rooms someday.
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 03:49 PM

I wonder what the VP180 would sound like with the bookshelf M22's?
Posted by: fredk

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 04:38 PM

 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
Holy Crap. You're my wife.

Thats an, um, interesting collection of husbands you've picked up this weekend Sean.
Posted by: Zask

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 05:38 PM

This is good for Axiom, I wonder how many sales were lost because of the 150. I may have kept the M80s if the 150 would have worked for me. The vp150 sucked
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 05:57 PM

I'm happy with my VP150, but I'm sure the 180 will have much greater range and be a better match with the M60/80s.
Posted by: SirQuack

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 06:01 PM

I've had 2 150's through the years and they have been fabulous. Define sucked Zask.
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 06:21 PM

I've been very happy with our VP150, matter of fact I was going to get another just about the time the M80 based center started getting talked about on the forums and decided to hold off until a definite word came out regarding the M80 based center. I plan on running the VP150 and the VP180 together ... and now I can kick myself in the butt for not getting a couple of the Outlaw 2200's whenever they were on sale just a week or so back.
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 06:23 PM

Just see his other thread. We're unlikely to have a fruitful debate about it right now.
Posted by: St_PatGuy

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 07:17 PM

 Originally Posted By: fredk
 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
Holy Crap. You're my wife.

Thats an, um, interesting collection of husbands you've picked up this weekend Sean.


Shhh. Let's keep this on the down low from the others until after the honeymoons!
Posted by: 2x6spds

Re: VP180 - 05/01/10 11:26 PM


 Originally Posted By: a401classic
 Quote:

I wonder what Ian had in mind for the *real* VP800 when he nixed that name for this speaker ?


My guess would be that it would be too easily confused (typo wise) with the EP800. Can you imagine trying to put that over your TV??

Scott


One over and one under. So, a401classic, are we talking Buick nailhead or AMC?
Posted by: a401classic

Re: VP180 - 05/02/10 10:39 AM

 Originally Posted By: 2x6spds

 Originally Posted By: a401classic
 Quote:

I wonder what Ian had in mind for the *real* VP800 when he nixed that name for this speaker ?


My guess would be that it would be too easily confused (typo wise) with the EP800. Can you imagine trying to put that over your TV??

Scott


One over and one under. So, a401classic, are we talking Buick nailhead or AMC?


The VP 150 doesn't suck, it just isn't timbre matched to the M80's. When I was playing around with my T2's, I noticed that they were a much better match to the VP150 than the M80's were. Gonna have to kick this one around for a bit. I really don't need a new center channel, but upgradeitis pulls hard on me.... sigh!

On the car front, we're talking AMC, a Rambler, specifically. 1964 770 Classic 2 door sitting in the garage waiting for serious funding to do the resto. I've got a 0.020 over 401 with a stroked crank now displacing 426 ci short block ready to go. I'll be twin turbo charged, so no shortage of power.

Why is the money always gone? Oh, yeah, now I remember.

Scott
Posted by: Worfzara

Re: VP180 - 05/02/10 05:57 PM

Oh my god! They finally did it, an M80 that you can put sideways, perfect!

My HT room is really begging me to buy this. And at a price point that is pretty good.

I guess I know where some of my tax refund is going.

Will Axiom take my VP150 in on a trade, anybody know how much?

paul
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 05/02/10 06:06 PM

Worfzara,

Axiom has a trade up program so you will be able to trade in the VP150. There is a link available somewhere(I don't know where it is). You can also call them about this inquiry as well.
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: VP180 - 05/02/10 06:09 PM

Trade up program
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - 05/02/10 06:21 PM

i called and asked, but was told that there will not be a trade up option for the vp150->vp180... that kind of leaves me in a quandary, i don't need 2 center channels... at least not for pre-orders... does anyone have any information to the contrary?
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 05/02/10 08:00 PM

That doesn't surprise me, considering the discount they're already giving on it. I imagine once it's full production, there will be a trade-up.
Posted by: onn

Re: VP180 - 05/02/10 08:18 PM

I was planning to use my VP150 as a rear centre once I get the VP180. Good or bad idea?
Mel
Posted by: Wid

Re: VP180 - 05/02/10 08:25 PM


I can see a flood of used VP150s on the market.

When I was looking to add a rear center I was told a direct radiating speaker was a bad idea.
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/02/10 08:36 PM

Wow no trade in eh? That does stink. Is it harder for an amp to run two speakers in parallel if one of them is 4 ohm and the other one 6 ohm?
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 05/02/10 08:51 PM

 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
That doesn't surprise me, considering the discount they're already giving on it. I imagine once it's full production, there will be a trade-up.


Has anyone noticed your countdown?
Posted by: mpyw

Re: VP180 - 05/02/10 08:59 PM

whao....now if only my wife will let me take away all those things under the TV and put this on the shelves....

but I think all will have to wait untill me get my new house with a proper HT room....

am thinking of M80s as L/R, VP180 as center, M60s as surround, QS8 as back surround and another pair or QS8 as side surround using Audeysey DSX wide...

hmmm...what am I gonna do with 1 extra VP150???

nvm..me go day dreaming 1st :p
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: VP180 - 05/02/10 09:06 PM

I'd kind of like to replace my IWOW VP100 for an IWON VP150 to see if I'd like it any better. I know a VP180 would be too much for my needs right now.
Posted by: JohnK

Re: VP180 - 05/02/10 09:25 PM

Micah, when two speakers are run in parallel the resulting impedance is such that its reciprocal is the sum of the reciprocals of the impedances of the two speakers. Using 6 and 4 ohms, this works out to 1/6+1/4=1/X, 2/12+3/12=1/X, 5/12=1/X, 5X=12, X=2.4ohms.

Keep in mind that the nominal impedance ratings of speakers don't represent their impedance over their entire range(the 4ohm rating on the M80s is a notable example)and that 2.4ohm result would only apply at a frequency where the speaker impedances were in fact 6 and 4 ohms. Also note that a low impedance doesn't necessarily cause a problem if the power used at the low impedance frequency wasn't high enough to require an excessively high current.
Posted by: Wid

Re: VP180 - 05/02/10 09:47 PM


I've wired car subs in series/parallel, could this be done with the VP180 and the VP150?
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - 05/02/10 10:03 PM

Micah, i have Krell amps and I am not sure if i want to run those 2 speakers in parallel.. I don't think that there are any recievers that could power a pv150- and vp180 in parallel safely.. If you have a power amp you might be able to get away with it, but you will need a pretty strong amp... my amp's are rated at 250W at 8ohms, and 500W at 4 ohms.. and if i put a 2 ohm load they would be making 1000W, but Krell has not designed them to be stable at 2 ohms though, so i don't know that i want to push them....
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - 05/02/10 10:05 PM

not with only 1 set of terminals wild, to get a series connection you would have to have 2 sets of terminals. one in and one out, if you will... when you wire a sub in series, you use one set of connections, then on the other side of the speaker you use another wire to a different speakers. making the current go though the first speaker, then to the second one... there is no way of doing that with the way the cabinets are designed from axiom that i am aware of.
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 05/02/10 11:18 PM

 Originally Posted By: CatBrat
I'd kind of like to replace my IWOW VP100 for an IWON VP150 to see if I'd like it any better.

Give Axiom a call, Cat. I'm sure you could try out the 150, if you prefer it you could probably trade up, or if not, send it back under the 30 days return policy. Check with Peter Bell, maybe.
Posted by: JohnK

Re: VP180 - 05/02/10 11:31 PM

Rick, I assume that you're referring to two subs in parallel plus one or more in series with them. That wouldn't apply to just two speakers.
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 09:40 AM

 Originally Posted By: Adrian
 Originally Posted By: CatBrat
I'd kind of like to replace my IWOW VP100 for an IWON VP150 to see if I'd like it any better.

Give Axiom a call, Cat. I'm sure you could try out the 150, if you prefer it you could probably trade up, or if not, send it back under the 30 days return policy. Check with Peter Bell, maybe.


Yeah, that's probably the only way. I'm going to have to wait until I have some spare cash though. I've got too many projects going on right now with the house. Needing a new dishwasher and new floors, etc.
Posted by: Lorenzo1000

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 10:24 AM

Haven't posted in ages but if these dimensions are correct for the 180 then I have no idea where I could put this monster in my setup:

Dimens. H W D (inches) 39.5" x 9.25" x 17"

It has to sit on my stand in front of the TV and I have my amps, Belkin pf60 and satellite receiver behind the vp150. At 17" deep there's no way anything else will fit there!!!

This thing is crazy big!!!
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 10:38 AM

Ian's response..... "you guys wanted a big center, I give you a big center".


;\)
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 10:47 AM

That is pretty much how I heard it. Careful what you wish for....

\:\)
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 10:48 AM

While I'm interested in it my biggest concern is the rear porting. I would have to cut a hole into my wall and build a shelf for it (wouldn't look right on stands in my set-up). Therefore the ports would empty out into the closet. And I've already seen (or 'heard' rather) the effects this had on my EP800, it sucked the performance right out of it. So that would pretty much negate any extra bass I'd be hoping to get out of it.

Then I figured I'd wait around until the on-wall version came out. But of course the design of the on-walls usually means less bass performance as well. At least that's the case for the on-wall M22's, maybe not the on-wall M80's. I guess IF they design the on-wall VP180 similar to that of the on-wall M80, with the port out the front and all, then perhaps it would be something I could consider.

But I'm afraid my set-up doesn't allow for it otherwise. I'm sort of hesitant to hang that big massive thing from my ceiling! If my VP150 ever fell from the ceiling it would definately put a nice goose egg on my head. If the VP180 ever fell it would crush any of our dogs, and most likely break my neck! \:o
Posted by: casey01

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 11:18 AM

Like has already been said, "be careful what you wish for".

I was one of the people that was clamoring for a bigger center channel but I hardly expected one the approximate size of Bulgaria!
I already have M80s in my L/R set-up but as a center channel my placement options are practically NIL.

Compared to what is available and from a somewhat more flexible placement standpoint, I thought of a CC more along the lines of having 2-6.5 woofers, 1- 5 mid and 1-tweeter. I have a large screen RP CRT that is made out of 3/4 inch MDF that can handle a center channel's weight easily in the 30-35 pound range, but 56 lbs? I don't have the room "in front" of the monitor and in experimenting I have never liked the sound there anyway. I prefer the speaker elevated.

I am sure the guys at Axiom spent many hours listening and perfecting its design , but for many, unfortunately, it is just TOO BIG!

Incidentally, does anyone know if this speaker is magnetically shielded?
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 11:29 AM

Most people using a front projector should have room for the VP180 ;\)
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 11:31 AM

There are still lots of options for those of you that think this is too big. Previously, there were not many options for those that wanted an "ultimate" center channel specifically designed to be placed horizontally.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 11:34 AM

Great point.
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 11:34 AM

 Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
There are still lots of options for those of you that think this is too big...


Saw it in half?
Posted by: jakewash

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 11:39 AM

I am surprised it is still rear ported I would have thought a front port, well several small or one large elipitcal port on the front would have been designed as most center channels sit in a shelving system of somekind. I know something this big would most likely be out in the open, but still a fron port would have opened more possibilities. I see it now, the in-cabinet version will be front ported \:\)
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 11:42 AM

What is the pricing going to be on the VP180 stand?
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 11:42 AM

 Originally Posted By: dakkon
...to get a series connection you would have to have 2 sets of terminals... there is no way of doing that with the way the cabinets are designed from axiom that i am aware of.


I don't think this is absolutely correct.

I'm surprised the actual EE folks haven't stepped in here, because gawd knows this is not my area of expertise.

As explained in this link, to wire speakers in series, you connect the negative terminal of the first speaker to the positive terminal of the second speaker.

Audioholics has a pretty thorough explanation of how that might impact your installation.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 11:50 AM

 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
What is the pricing going to be on the VP180 stand?


$240, and you get two stands, presumably one for each end.

forgot to mention pre-order for $200
Posted by: michael_d

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 12:47 PM

 Originally Posted By: JohnK
Micah, when two speakers are run in parallel the resulting impedance is such that its reciprocal is the sum of the reciprocals of the impedances of the two speakers. Using 6 and 4 ohms, this works out to 1/6+1/4=1/X, 2/12+3/12=1/X, 5/12=1/X, 5X=12, X=2.4ohms.

Keep in mind that the nominal impedance ratings of speakers don't represent their impedance over their entire range(the 4ohm rating on the M80s is a notable example)and that 2.4ohm result would only apply at a frequency where the speaker impedances were in fact 6 and 4 ohms. Also note that a low impedance doesn't necessarily cause a problem if the power used at the low impedance frequency wasn't high enough to require an excessively high current.


John –

What do you think about running the VP180 below the screen and a VP150 above the screen? I’m wondering if that would be a good idea or not. I’m thinking not, but curious nonetheless.
Posted by: alan

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 12:56 PM

Hi michael_d,

I think not as well, although I did not do listening tests to that combination while I was up at Axiom.

One of my Axiom colleagues, JC (Jean-Claude), has a dedicated home theater room and will try that combo once he has a sample of the VP180. He currently uses two VP150s, one above and one below his projection screen.

Sadly, I don't have room for a VP180 in my apartment. I'll have to think about buying a house so I can accommodate a VP180!

Regards,
Alan
Posted by: davew

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 01:18 PM

 Originally Posted By: alan
Sadly, I don't have room for a VP180 in my apartment. I'll have to think about buying a house so I can accommodate a VP180!


That makes the VP180 really expensive.

-Dave
Posted by: SirQuack

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 02:25 PM

side ports might have been an option as well.
Posted by: michael_d

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 03:42 PM

 Originally Posted By: alan
Hi michael_d,

I think not as well, although I did not do listening tests to that combination while I was up at Axiom.

One of my Axiom colleagues, JC (Jean-Claude), has a dedicated home theater room and will try that combo once he has a sample of the VP180. He currently uses two VP150s, one above and one below his projection screen.

Sadly, I don't have room for a VP180 in my apartment. I'll have to think about buying a house so I can accommodate a VP180!

Regards,
Alan


Please keep me informed after JC has a chance to try this combo.

I am very happy with my current center set up (lower twin M22's) and an upper VP150. I will not give up the upper / lower combination.
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 03:46 PM

The only way you could wire a VP-150 and VP-180 in series using the current hardware is to. Hook up the (+) from the amp to the first speakers (+) and use a jumper from the (-) of the first speaker to the (+) of the second speaker, then plug the (-) wire from the amp to the (-) of the second speaker.


it wouldn't be that complicated, but you would need your power wires to be 2 separate pieces of wire.


I have a EE background.
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 04:04 PM

Right - 3 single wires instead of a pair.
Posted by: ClubNeon

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 04:11 PM

The serial interaction of the impedance of two complex networks such as speaker systems is bad enough when they have the same curve. Two dissimilar speakers will have very unpredictable (well, very hard to compute) results.

When a cross-over network is being designed for a speaker, the sensitivity of each driver is taken into account, to achieve a linear response when everything is combined. It's fine to wire two fixed resisters in series, you just add up their resistance and the sum is also fixed. But that's not how a loud speaker system works. You'll end up with a non-linear response with areas of higher impedance stacking up higher than the lows.

It's then obvious how much worse it would be with two different speakers interacting with each other.
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 04:35 PM

neon, I'm not saying its a "great" idea, just that it "is" possible. and a way to do it without having a sub 2ohm load to the amp....
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 06:09 PM

Thanks, Chris. I knew there was a reason why series connection is a bad idea, but I couldn't quite remember.
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 08:09 PM

I think we should all chip in and but Chris a cape.

Spandex tights would be totally HIS call, though.
Posted by: ClubNeon

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 08:41 PM

Capes always seemed dangerous to me. It was even pointed out in Watchmen. Now, a kick-ass scuba suit would work.
Posted by: JohnK

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 09:35 PM

Mike, I don't have much of significance to add on that point. Since your centers above and below the screen already are anchoring the center channel material to the screen pretty well, there wouldn't appear to be room for improvement in that regard. Since the M22s are quite similar to the M80(and presumably VP180)above about 90Hz, there might be little overall sonic difference either.

Seeing Alan's reply which mentioned listening tests on various combinations, I'll ask about a test I wondered about. My thought on seeing the VP180 was to stand the poor thing upright in a more manly posture and it might perform even better. Were two upright VP180s compared with the M80s as mains, and what benefits/detriments were noticed if this was done?
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 09:37 PM

I guess the crossover point of the VP180 will be the same as the mains?
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 10:26 PM

The internal crossovers for the VP180 are 150Hz and 2.7Khz compared to 160Hz and 2.3Khz for the M80. If you mean the crossover point to the sub then, yes, I would imagine it being the same or similar to the mains.
Posted by: radtek2

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 11:54 PM

Is the angle of the speaker sides the same as the M80s or will there be one flat side and, for lack of a better word,and a sloped side. I also have also been waiting for this speaker but will have to modify my stand to get it to fit under the Elite.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 05/03/10 11:58 PM

One side flat, one side sloped.
Posted by: radtek2

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 12:24 AM

I am playing with 1 inch more of clearance needed when using a template I made of the M80 shape. I wonder if having one flat side would let me slide the speaker back enough so I wouldn't have to reconfigure my stand. MMMM
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 12:38 AM

 Originally Posted By: alan

Sadly, I don't have room for a VP180 in my apartment. I'll have to think about buying a house so I can accommodate a VP180!


Oh, well OF COURSE!!! What was I thinking? Here I was all worried about hanging that big-ass thing from my stinking ceiling... I'll just buy a house for mine also.

Hey everyone, don't worry about the size of the new VP180, all you need to do is buy a house for it, problem solved.

The launch of the VP180 couldn't have come at a better time really. The US housing market is flooded with excellent homes in which to house your new center channel speaker..... For CHEAP!!!! ;\)
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 12:27 PM

Yup. The front, back, and bottom are square, and the top slopes down at an angle of approx. 7.5° from horizontal.
Posted by: ClubNeon

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 12:36 PM

Just don't attempt to measure the exact angle, or your center channel will fall to the floor.

It's a fact.
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 12:59 PM

No need to measure exactly. The front height is about 9.16", the rear height is about 7.12", and the speaker depth is about 16.36". I leave the trigonometry to the reader. \:\)
Posted by: ClubNeon

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 01:07 PM

Well, given those numbers, the angle is about 7.11°.

I better run home to make sure my center is still in place.
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 01:15 PM

The non-hard front corners aren't taken into account with the given dimensions. The front height would actually be larger if the top and front came to a point like they do in the rear.
Posted by: ClubNeon

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 01:18 PM

Of course as I read that, I formed a diagram in my head to figure out the angles and distances of the missing triangle of space, all I need is the length of the beveled edge.
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 01:40 PM

Chris, are you any relation to Will Hunting?
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 01:41 PM

What do non-geeks do to kill time?
Posted by: medic8r

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 01:44 PM

Coitus?
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 01:50 PM

No no, don't worry, we all do trig problems in our heads just for fun, you guys are not alone.

In fact last night at the sports bar I was at watching LeBron get his ass kicked all over the court, drinking beers with my buddies, flirting with the waitresses and what not, I was figuring out approach vortex's, and arch curve logorithms in my head the entire time.






(Ok, you got me... I probably don't even know the correct terms to use to even ACT like a geek do I? Why can't I be cool like you guys?)
Posted by: ClubNeon

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 01:51 PM

Geometry in high school was the only class where I ever blew the grade curve so badly that the next person, who had a 98% cumulative score, was knocked down to a B, because of all the extra credit questions I got correct on each test during the year.

After much protest from the other students, the teacher tossed me as an outlier.
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 01:54 PM

 Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
...because of all the extra credit questions I got correct on each test during the year...




You self righteous bastard!!!





......so, do you hang out with Ben and Casey Affleck and mop floors for a living?
Posted by: ClubNeon

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 01:59 PM

The extra credit questions were the only ones which were fun. The tests were just rehashes of the home work assignments. The extras actually applied those lessons in interesting ways.

Today, at work, I'm a CD duplicator. Just feeding blanks into the drive when the previous finishes burning.
Posted by: GOD

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 02:03 PM

 Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
The extra credit questions were the only ones which were fun.


Like Micah said: You self righteou.....

And it's "that" were fun, not "which" were fun.
Posted by: alan

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 02:06 PM

Hi JohnK,

No, the listening test I performed was with the VP180 in its proper horizontal orientation against a pair of M80 towers flanking the VP180 fed with a summed mono signal. From the central listening position, I was comparing two mono signals, one from the VP180 versus a phantom centered mono signal from the pair of M80 towers.

I ranked the VP180 with the same score as I gave the two upright M80 towers and also remarked ("tough test: not exactly alike but similarly excellent"). Other comments included: "Very deep extended bass, smooth natural vocals without sibilance, excellent kick drum and acoustic bass, and a spacious, open quality on big orchestral/choral works."

I have previously never ranked a center channel speaker with such a high score as I gave the VP180.

Partway into the test, I realized I was listening to mono, but that didn't tell me much, because I'd been doing days of listening, including some competitors' speakers.

I was thrilled after the test when we looked at the scores and pulled back the curtain to reveal the VP180 and the two M80 towers at each side.

Regards,
Alan
Posted by: GOD

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 02:12 PM

 Originally Posted By: ClubNeon

Today, at work, I'm a CD duplicator.


And I'm a rotary hammer.

OK! OK! So I went to only music and art colleges, 'cause they had no math requirements (or departments, even). I'll admit it.
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 02:17 PM

 Originally Posted By: ClubNeon

Today, at work, I'm a CD duplicator. Just feeding blanks into the drive when the previous finishes burning.



I guess if you haven't seen 'Good Will Hunting' then it may have seemed like I was bashing you. In fact I was comparing you to the first character ever portrayed in a movie (that I can recall anyways) as an ubber cool math whiz. After watching that movie I can remember wishing I was a mathematical genius who possessed the ultra cool skills he had.

It made me appreciate a mind that works like that. Even if in real life those guys don't usually end up dating Minnie Driver. ;\)
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 02:24 PM

 Originally Posted By: alan
Hi JohnK,

No, the listening test I performed was with the VP180 in its proper horizontal orientation against a pair of M80 towers flanking the VP180 fed with a summed mono signal. From the central listening position, I was comparing two mono signals, one from the VP180 versus a phantom centered mono signal from the pair of M80 towers.

I ranked the VP180 with the same score as I gave the two upright M80 towers and also remarked ("tough test: not exactly alike but similarly excellent"). Other comments included: "Very deep extended bass, smooth natural vocals without sibilance, excellent kick drum and acoustic bass, and a spacious, open quality on big orchestral/choral works."

I have previously never ranked a center channel speaker with such a high score as I gave the VP180.

Partway into the test, I realized I was listening to mono, but that didn't tell me much, because I'd been doing days of listening, including some competitors' speakers.

I was thrilled after the test when we looked at the scores and pulled back the curtain to reveal the VP180 and the two M80 towers at each side.

Regards,
Alan


Awesome!!
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 02:24 PM

 Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
Today, at work, I'm a CD duplicator. Just feeding blanks into the drive when the previous finishes burning.

That's me half the time...
Posted by: ClubNeon

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 02:24 PM

I figured it was a reference to Good Will Hunting, it's just been a while since I've seen the film, and maybe the character didn't make as large of an impression on me. \:D
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 02:27 PM

 Originally Posted By: alan
I'd been doing days of listening, including some competitors' speakers...



What an incredibly cool job you have. I'm curious, and please be frank with us, while doing these blind tests do some of the competitors' come away with higher scores very often?

Don't worry, my next question isn't going to be, "so who sounds better than Axiom"? Lol, I just figure if Axiom is developing a certain speaker, and you're doing blind tests with it against some of your direct competition (obviously you're not going to include those competitors that you are not in competition with. Companies that color the audio signal such as Bose and what not...) and it's coming in under the competition, then that gives the designers and engineers that much more incentive to find ways to bring the test scores up so that they at least match if not exceed the scores of the speakers they are put up against.

I can't think of a better way to create a competitive product!
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 02:34 PM

Rainman, on the other hand...
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 02:47 PM

 Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
I figured it was a reference to Good Will Hunting, it's just been a while since I've seen the film, and maybe the character didn't make as large of an impression on me. \:D



Lol, well it certainly did on me!

Funny story, growing up I was always really good at math until I hit high school. By the time I took geometry I was way more interested in looking at the girls in class than paying attention to the teacher. That combined with my pitiful excuse for a memory really doomed my mathematical future. All those damn formula's we were expected to remember.... pffffffft, forget it, I could never remember the difference between the FOIL method and a stinking logorithm. From then on I concentrated on things like creative writing, art, and even history (hated history with a passion up till high school, then I got into a history class with a teacher named Mr. Pendley, he changed the way I looked at history. He made it so much fun to learn history that I couldn't get enough of it, even bought history books to study on my own time... a great teacher has the ability to completely change a students outlook).

Then I went and saw 'Good Will Hunting'.... good God I was soooo fired up after seeing that movie I wanted to be a math whiz too! So I immediately enrolled in like 3 math courses down at I.U. East. I was so determined to become good at math it wasn't even funny. The head of steam I'd built up carried me about 3 weeks into the semester... at which time I had become so bored I realized that it truely takes a different mind than the one I have to be interested in math. I couldn't do it, it just wasn't me. Math just isn't my bag of weed I guess.

I still do admire those who are really good at math though. We're all just wired differently I guess. I have an artistic mind. I was one of the top three or four art students in my high school. And I can remember many of my drawings hanging up in the display cases while other students and even other artists asking me, "how did you do that"???

And yes it really is like Matt Damon discribes it in 'Good Will Hunting', when it came to art I didn't even have to try very hard, I just put my pencil on the paper and it came out. It was easy. If it weren't for my being color blind I definately would have pursued a profession in the art world somewhere, because then I wouldn't have had to work for a living, it was way too easy to be considered work. And I guess for those who have a mathematical mind, it's the same way... math just 'makes sense' to them.
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 03:56 PM

 Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
Just don't attempt to measure the exact angle, or your center channel will fall to the floor.

It's a fact.

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry!
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 04:38 PM

Nice re-rail, Adrian. \:\)
Posted by: JohnK

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 09:10 PM

Yeah Peter, and I leave the trig to my trusty pocket calculator: inverse tan 2.04/16.36=7.108 degrees. Taking the front/top bevel into account would probably make it more like 10 degrees. Wonder if Ian spent sleepless nights over the optimal slope.
Posted by: JohnK

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 09:31 PM

Alan, thanks for the reply. I understood from your comments in the Owners Club Newsletter that the key blind test had been with the horizontal VP180 compared with flanking vertical M80s, but I was wondering if the excellence of its performance had led to further tests in different orientations. For example, I recall your testing of vertical VP150s as possible candidates to be used as mains, and thought that a similar investigation might be appropriate for the VP180. A prospective purchaser might wonder, since the price will be the same and size is essentially the same, whether it would be to his advantage to buy two VP180s for use as vertical mains as compared to two M80s.

One possible advantage is suggested by Paul Barton's comments relating to a greater vertical spread between woofers leading to a spreading of the floor bounce effects, with less of a notch in the upper bass response.
Posted by: HTGEEK

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 10:13 PM

I am glad I can finally post on this thread because I was having login issues...

Are the subwoofers in this unit, powered? I had an old Polk CS1000 back in the late 90's that had to be plugged in.

Also, will this match up well with a pair of M60's?

Thanks!
Posted by: JohnK

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 10:22 PM

No, Jeff; just as in the M80s, all drivers are powered externally.
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 10:25 PM

HTGEEK, there are no *sub* woofers in this centre, only woofers, mid woofers and of course tweets. They are all powered externally. I'm not sure if Alan did any listening tests with the M60s or not, maybe he can elaborate on that. Presumably, the centre would work well with M60s just as it would the M80s.
Posted by: HTGEEK

Re: VP180 - 05/04/10 10:30 PM

oops...guess I read that wrong then.

Thanks for the info! I am looking forward to seeing this beast on my entertainment stand. Good thing the Kuro is going on the wall unless this unit would never fit in..
Posted by: radtek2

Re: VP180 - 05/05/10 02:11 AM

Gentlemen, The angle as measured from the rear vertical is 82.57 degrees. I have placed an order and now must proceed in modifying my entertainment stand as soon as I find my Official Homer Simpson
tool kit!
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 05/05/10 02:44 AM

Yes, and that angle is the difference of 90° and my claim of ~7.5° from the horizontal. \:\)
Posted by: radtek2

Re: VP180 - 05/05/10 09:31 AM

I concur, I am just used to setting tube angles from the vertical plane in my profession. And I just like bigger numbers! The VP180 is really going to fill out my sound stage ...I am excited!
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 05/05/10 09:53 AM

Make sure you make a recording of how it sounds and post the clip here. \:D
Posted by: alan

Re: VP180 - 05/05/10 11:03 AM

Hi Adrian, JohnK, Micah and all,

The VP180 would be an excellent timbral match to the M60s, and, for that matter, to the M22s.

No, John, I didnt do any tests with the VP180 in a vertical orientation. Andrew Welker and Ian had a series of tests planned.

Micah, since I joined Axiom (2002), we have never had a competitor's speaker outscore an Axiom. There have been a couple, sometimes much more expensive, that received the "similarly good" ratings, and some that were fairly awful. I recall one, a smaller tower speaker in the same price range as Axiom's M60, and with a pretty piano-black finish, which when Ian did the blind test and the results were revealed, he remarked: "If I'd designed a speaker that bad, I'd go out into the woods and shoot myself!"

Regards,
Alan
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 05/05/10 11:16 AM

I can hear Ian saying that. \:\)
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 05/05/10 11:22 AM

Are most of the blind listening tests ID brands or do you listen to a lot of brick and mortar brands as well?
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 05/05/10 12:02 PM

 Originally Posted By: pmbuko
I can hear Ian saying that. \:\)


I bet you wouldn't be as open to or smiling about such comments/criticisms or opinions made towards Axiom speakers. \:o

PS: I like all the Axiom speakers I own.
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 05/05/10 12:54 PM

 Quote:
I bet you wouldn't be as open to or smiling about such comments/criticisms or opinions made towards Axiom speakers.

I find this recent trend of second-guessing praise for and/or general support of Axiom and its product extremely curious. Is it really that surprising that I tend to see things Axiom's way? Their design philosophy and their finished products speak to me. I am not too arrogant to realize that this is not the case for everyone. So no, if somebody thought Ian's speakers were so bad that they recommended he put himself out of his misery, then I'd just shrug and continue to enjoy my Axioms.
Posted by: medic8r

Re: VP180 - 05/05/10 12:57 PM

 Originally Posted By: pmbuko
if somebody thought Ian's speakers were so bad that they recommended he put himself out of his misery, then I'd just shrug and continue to enjoy my Axioms.

You could always give me a call and I could have them hospitalized on the grounds that they were a danger to others.

;\)


Posted by: jhunt17

Re: VP180 - 05/05/10 01:36 PM

Ok, I jumped on the bandwagon. Can't wait to see my wife's eyes when she gets a gander at how big this thing is going to be. I can't wait to hear this puppy!!
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 05/05/10 01:50 PM

 Originally Posted By: jhunt17
Can't wait to see my wife's eyes when she gets a gander at how big this thing is going to be.

At that point, tell her about the speaker. She won't mind so much.
Posted by: SirQuack

Re: VP180 - 05/05/10 03:57 PM

i want one, mommy, please...
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 05/05/10 06:12 PM

 Originally Posted By: pmbuko
 Quote:
I bet you wouldn't be as open to or smiling about such comments/criticisms or opinions made towards Axiom speakers.

I find this recent trend of second-guessing praise for and/or general support of Axiom and its product extremely curious. Is it really that surprising that I tend to see things Axiom's way? Their design philosophy and their finished products speak to me. I am not too arrogant to realize that this is not the case for everyone. So no, if somebody thought Ian's speakers were so bad that they recommended he put himself out of his misery, then I'd just shrug and continue to enjoy my Axioms.


I agree wholeheartedly with Peter's point here. If we didn't like the speakers and philosophy, we wouldn't be here. Surprise?
Posted by: Glitchy

Re: VP180 - 05/05/10 06:23 PM

 Originally Posted By: alan
The VP180 would be an excellent timbral match to the M60s, and, for that matter, to the M22s.

Regards,
Alan


Okay, a match for M22's! I want my inwall-onwall vp180!

I'm in to "Sawzall Surgery" so no install complications here.
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - 05/05/10 08:02 PM

You go, Jeff!

 Quote:
I just like bigger numbers!


Epic Win.
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/05/10 09:44 PM

Dr. House if Alan had revealed the name of the 'pretty piano black' speaker in question, then perhaps I could agree with your statement. But seeing as he was a gentleman about the situation and left it anonomous, then I see no harm in the joke at all. In fact I find it quite humorous.

You have to realize that Ian takes all this stuff very seriously... DEAD seriously to be exact. So when he auditions a speaker costing more than his own brand, and it performs horribly, I don't blame him at all for feeling that way.

I don't know Ian personally mind you, but I get the impression he really would be mortfied if his products performed poorly.
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 05/05/10 09:50 PM

The other point I believe Alan was making is that there are a few manufacturers out there who concentrate more on aesthetics than performance to hook the consumer.
Posted by: Listener

Re: VP180 - 05/06/10 12:45 PM

Are there any pictures of this speaker yet? :p
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 05/06/10 12:53 PM

Page 6 of this thread.
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 10:12 AM

Why do I get the feeling this is going to be a VERY fun Birthday Weekend for me?!?!?!?!!?




Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 11:07 AM

That speaker is going to be so haut! Even says so on the box. \:\)
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 11:09 AM









Well, after about 30 mins of listening (without yet re-adjusting Audyssy for channel levels) whoever said Axiom may have missed the mark with this one is VERY wrong. This is not only a home-run, it's a grand slam! Right off the bat, I had to adjust my center level from +2 db to 0 db (same levels as my M80s now). I also brought my center crossover down to 60 Hz to match my mains. The sound is FULL and RICH, and so far to me sounds almost JUST like an M80. When I moved from the center seat to the left and right seats, the vocals still sounded like they were coming from the center (with my VP150, I would tend to lose localization when I moved off-center).

I'm giddy right now!

I just wanted to take a couple of mins to share some pix with you guys, but now I am going back to calibrate the system and really give it some serious listening time.
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 11:12 AM

Awesome! Congratulations!
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 11:14 AM

That's gotta be one great sounding system. I'm jealous.
Posted by: Wid

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 11:26 AM


Damn that sure is a nice system, congrats on the new center.
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 11:49 AM

Wow!

Thanks so much for the pictures, Steve. As always, I'm envious of your theatre. It really must be a gigantic screen (and shelf unit) to make those monsters look like they are "in scale".

I KNOW you'll enjoy!
Posted by: jakewash

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 12:07 PM

Looks great Steve. I can't wait till I can get one for myself.

I am kind of wondering why Axiom didn't make this 10 years ago when the rest of the speaker line up was first brought out. It seems like a no brainer(20/20 hindsight and all that) to have made it specifically to go with the floorstanders, while the VP150/VP100 are a near perfect match for the bookshelf speakers, in particular the M2/M22.
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 12:12 PM

Thanks guys! (Tom - I should have never used the sense of scale term! The screen is 126" diagonal)

I took a break to let you know that the Audyssey setup came back with recommending the center at 0db, and the M80s at +1.5db. It chose all front speakers (mains and center) as large, with a 40Hz XO frequency (100Hz for the QS8s). I gave it a go for a couple of songs, and it's was like taking cotton out of my ears. The bass is much tighter than before, and the vocals are stunning. I do not run the system with Audyssey (I always choose no room eq), but I use it to easily set my levels and XO points.

Simply amazing speaker.
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 12:15 PM

Man, that looks incredible. Congrats!
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 12:21 PM

 Originally Posted By: jakewash
I am kind of wondering why Axiom didn't make this 10 years ago when the rest of the speaker line up was first brought out. It seems like a no brainer(20/20 hindsight and all that) to have made it specifically to go with the floorstanders, while the VP150/VP100 are a near perfect match for the bookshelf speakers, in particular the M2/M22.


Most good ideas seem bizarre when first suggested but obvious in hindsight ;\)

The system looks great; it's funny how the VP180 doesn't really seem that big once you put it together with screen & mains.

Enjoy !
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 12:22 PM

I love that it's autographed.
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 12:27 PM

Steve, is that a custom finish or the stock black oak?
Posted by: SirQuack

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 12:33 PM

dang!
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 12:49 PM

Congratulations and thanks for your input Steve.
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 12:53 PM

Wow, they're already on v3 of the VP180? Where was I?
Posted by: Pitbull24

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 12:56 PM

Steve, are those Auralex Mopads under your 180? Did you use them before the 180? Any before and after feedback...Thanks
Posted by: alan

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 01:03 PM

Hi Steve,

I'm really pleased you are as excited ("giddy" even) with the new VP180 as I was after the blind listening tests and the curtain was pulled back. I was absolutely thrilled that Axiom now has a no-compromise truly excellent center channel speaker.

You are correct: the VP180 sounds almost exactly like a the vertical M80. I wrote down on the blind rating sheet: "Not exactly alike in sound quality but similarly excellent."

Cheers,
Alan
Posted by: alan

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 01:06 PM

Oops! Looks like the labels are already printed, which may mean the "v3" designation stays.

In another thread, I posted that we'd dropped the "v3" designation because the VP180 is a new model. It isn't a variant of an earlier version.

Regards,
Alan
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 01:11 PM

Thanks, Alan. I read that thread after already posting in this one. I'm glad Axiom isn't wasting labels.
Posted by: jhunt17

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 01:18 PM

I thought these weren't shipping until the end of may??
Posted by: davidsch

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 02:02 PM

That is one great looking theater! Enjoy!
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 02:04 PM

 Originally Posted By: SRoode
Well, after about 30 mins of listening (without yet re-adjusting Audyssy for channel levels) whoever said Axiom may have missed the mark with this one is VERY wrong. This is not only a home-run, it's a grand slam! Right off the bat, I had to adjust my center level from +2 db to 0 db (same levels as my M80s now). I also brought my center crossover down to 60 Hz to match my mains. The sound is FULL and RICH, and so far to me sounds almost JUST like an M80. When I moved from the center seat to the left and right seats, the vocals still sounded like they were coming from the center (with my VP150, I would tend to lose localization when I moved off-center).

I'm giddy right now!

I just wanted to take a couple of mins to share some pix with you guys, but now I am going back to calibrate the system and really give it some serious listening time.


Wow, go away for a bit and miss all the fun! The speaker and your setup look spectacular, and I'm sure the sound is even better. Enjoy!!
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 02:05 PM

 Originally Posted By: jhunt17
I thought these weren't shipping until the end of may??


They aren't unless you're Steve who talked them into making the VP180.
Posted by: alan

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 02:06 PM

Hi,

It's true about the end of May shipping date. I think SRoode negotiated with Axiom for an early pre-production sample of the VP180.

Alan
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 02:39 PM

Wow, I don't even know where to begin...

Do I start with a company like Axiom and a true pioneer like Ian to always, and I really mean always, to be there and discuss what they really love and produce a first of it's kind product? It's truly amazing to see this kind of devotion from a company to it's consumers. A nobody like myself had a direct line to the owner of the company, and we had interesting and fun discussions about the speaker as Axiom went through their development process.

I could also start with gentlemen like Alan. Always there to give all of his experience to us and help us understand the true science of sound. So much insight, and so much humor. It always seeems that every post is a little gem.

I could, and really must, mention Noreen. I did not find out until after the speaker arrived today, that my wife and Noreen were in contact and my wife asked Noreen if Ian would be generous enough to sign my speaker because I respect him so much. My wife said that Noreen was so excited about it! When I saw the signature on my speaker, I started to tear up... I really did. I had no idea this was coming here today, and it's one of the best surprises I have ever had in my life.

In the end, I really have to say thank you to Axiom, but more specifically Ian in particular. This is merely a modification (moving the sticks as Ian so appropriately stated) of his spectacular M80 design. The speaker is truly a work of art, and blends in seamlessly with the M80s. If I were Ian, I would be so proud right now! I wanted to take a moment to thank Ian for his skills, patience, forsight, and dedication. I really do feel (more than ever) that I am part of a family here.

I have sooooo much to say about this new speaker. You would not think a center channel would have so much of an impact in music and movie listening, but it REALLY does. I know there are doubters out there, and a lot of folks think this is a board full of fanboys. I have always been honest, and when things did not work out, I told everyone of my problems (by the way, in every case, Axiom ALWAYS came through). Just trust me on this one... This is a world class center channel. Even my wife (who started tearing up when I was tearing up) said that it changed our theater.

I'll try to give more detailed analysis soon. I only get to some home every other weekend, and my wife actually took the kids out to let me have a couple of hours with the new speaker. I promise you I will, but at this point, all I can say is that I am so happy! Whoever pre-ordered this speaker will be floored!


Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 02:47 PM

 Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
Steve, is that a custom finish or the stock black oak?


Stock black oak to match the other speakers in my theater.
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 02:52 PM

 Originally Posted By: Pitbull24
Steve, are those Auralex Mopads under your 180? Did you use them before the 180? Any before and after feedback...Thanks


Yes they are, and yes I did use them before. I wanted to isolate my center from my cabinet. They made a good bit of difference in sound wave transferrence to the cabinet, which acted like a low level boost (but not in a good way... Muddy). I have never tried the Axiom spikes on my cabinet, but I would expect them perform the same, if not better (did not want pointy holes in it).
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 02:56 PM

Wow, that stock black oak looks pretty darn good.
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 03:00 PM

It's even better than my M80s. I think Axiom changed he finish to give it more "grain". The finish is not flat, it's raised a bit, and you can feel the grooves where the "grain" is.
Posted by: HTGEEK

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 03:08 PM

Come on May 31st!

Will this need to be tilted or put on some form of stand? My VP150 sits right on top of my entertainment center and is perfectly aligned.
Posted by: jhunt17

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 03:24 PM

I am glad you like it Steve. I am anxiously waiting mine to arrive. I also have to say that I have been extremely impressed with my dealings with Axiom. With all the people who talk about being fanboys of particular products I guess I would have to be one, but I only got to be one because of how the speakers sound, (great to me) the build quality, and mostly how I have been treated by the entire axiom company. Customer service treats you as a person and having Alan answer questions on the message board shows they just don't sell speakers, they also care about what they are doing. When I first came across this site years ago I was so nervous about ordering. I never trusted doing anything over the internet, but then having the 30 day trial is what allowed me to pull the trigger. I have since been a very proud owner of axiom. WOW. I sound like a commercial. Anyway can't wait for my new center!
Posted by: SirQuack

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 04:25 PM

I still want one mommy. \:\)
Posted by: grunt

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 04:33 PM

Fantastic looking setup Steve. Just looking at you VP180 makes me feel it will keep up with the M80 much better. Since I’ve owned mine I’ve always felt the M80 needed a comparable center to match their ability so I’m glad Axiom is making this now.

I’m looking forward to your impressions and those of others. I’ve generally preferred the dispersion of a horizontal center for movies but felt nothing else in the Axiom lineup could really keep pace with my M80s than another M80.

Since the talk of this started I’ve been considering trying dual M80s one above (horizontal) and one below (vertical) as a center channel for movies, switching back to the single vertical center for music unless it turns out I like the VP180 for music too though I’m predisposed to believe I won’t.

Cheers,
Dean
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 04:36 PM

I wish I had room for one.

I will admit to feeling like my 150 is the weak link in my system.
Posted by: onn

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 05:25 PM

Congrats on the new addition to the family Steve. NOW I can hardly wait for my VP180!
Thanks
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 05:53 PM

 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
I will admit to feeling like my 150 is the weak link in my system.

Jeez, Mark. You're the worst fanboy I've ever seen.
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 06:06 PM

Yeah, we're going to have to take away your fanboy card, as well as give you a 4000 post demerit.
Posted by: richeydog

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 06:33 PM

 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
I will admit to feeling like my 150 is the weak link in my system.

That's a shame...especially since you have the perfect room to show off your audio system... \:D

Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 07:47 PM

It's not a bad speaker by any means. But I find that I always choose "stereo" mode for music and not a surround mode, because I prefer the vocals going through the M60s.

It certainly could be my room. God knows it's problematic enough in every other way and since the vast majority of users don't have this problem, I'm likely an isolated incident.

I'll have to wait for a VP160 though, since I don't see a VP180 fitting in my environment.

Of course, I could take some measurements, just to know for sure..........................................
Posted by: chesseroo

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 07:49 PM

This VP180 is one speaker i would love to hear compared to the VP150.
A definite challenge for a blind test setup.
Posted by: chesseroo

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 07:55 PM

 Originally Posted By: SRoode
In the end, I really have to say thank you to Axiom, but more specifically Ian in particular. This is merely a modification (moving the sticks as Ian so appropriately stated) of his spectacular M80 design. The speaker is truly a work of art, and blends in seamlessly with the M80s. If I were Ian, I would be so proud right now! I wanted to take a moment to thank Ian for his skills, patience, forsight, and dedication. I really do feel (more than ever) that I am part of a family here.

During our tour wayyyyy back in '04, Ian, Amie and co. offered my pregnant wife food (i think they called it lunch but really it was around tea time late in the afternoon and she had something the size of a Keg meal sandwich and soup).

As any husband knows, you NEVER get between a pregnant woman and food so Axiom answered my prayers that day (my wife could eat and i could chat some more about audio)!

The folks at Axiom are the bomb!
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 07:56 PM

 Quote:
As any husband knows, you NEVER get between a pregnant woman and food


Amen, brother!
Posted by: JohnK

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 09:28 PM

Very good, Steve; enjoy your Roode VP.
Posted by: JohnK

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 09:35 PM

Jeff, since the VP180 is a bit less than 2" taller than the VP150, the tweeter centers would only be a little less than 1" higher. So, if your VP150 height is about perfect now, the VP180 wouldn't be appreciably different, and no tilting or separate stand would be needed.
Posted by: JohnK

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 09:40 PM

Mark, you wouldn't necessarily have to limit yourself to the "stereo" mode; simply set the center to "none" in that situation and use a surround mode with the M60s handling the vocals, as you prefer.
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 10:44 PM

How long is the pre-order on for?
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 10:47 PM

Until May 31st.
Posted by: Wid

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 10:48 PM


Through May 31.
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 10:48 PM

Even though I don't need one, I'm still tempted to try one out at some point. It will be well after the pre-order period, though.
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 05/07/10 10:52 PM

Thanks guys. I thought I'd read somewhere it was the end of this month, then I started thinking it might have been last month, doh!
Posted by: SatKartr

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 12:22 AM

I haven't checked the forums in about a month and I've been thinking about what to do about my VP150, I like the timbre well enough, but the dialogue is not always clear and two vp150s had been recommended per Axiom for my size room. I was contemplating a post about how to run Audyssey with one center on the wall and one below the plasma around 2-3 feet forward, I mean how do you run EQ on two discrete centers with one signal, and then I read Alan's article about centers sounding very different given such placement and decided it was just hopeless, I'd just have to live with one vp150 due to my plasma tv being in the way of vp150s above and below the screen being in the same auditory plane.

Now of course I'm thinking about the VP180, but still I have questions. Can I mount this VP180 on the wall? How can I place the vp180 below the plasma tv, I guess the plasma would have to go on the wall? I would have thought the plasma tv (58") would weigh more than the vp180.

Of course it would seem nice to try and run the 150 and 180 in tandem but it still doesn't make sense to me from a calibration point of view.

The time is right to fix my setup but I'm still perplexed, obviously I'm not an engineer of any kind.
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 12:31 AM

 Originally Posted By: grunt
I’m looking forward to your impressions and those of others. I’ve generally preferred the dispersion of a horizontal center for movies but felt nothing else in the Axiom lineup could really keep pace with my M80s than another M80.

Since the talk of this started I’ve been considering trying dual M80s one above (horizontal) and one below (vertical) as a center channel for movies, switching back to the single vertical center for music unless it turns out I like the VP180 for music too though I’m predisposed to believe I won’t.


Axiom should experiment with a T-shaped center in an attempt to get the best of both worlds. Sound gurus, how unlikely is it that that would work?
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 07:01 AM

Mounting the VP180 on the wall could be a problem for two reasons:

1) It is VERY heavy (same size and weight as the M80), and since the cabinet is so deep it would put a lot of torque on the mount.

2) It is rear ported. So you would need to mount it several inches off the wall, at least.
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 08:21 AM

My Initial Impressions:

Warning – This “review” will use a lot of words that are opinion based, and qualitative. I'm not a professional speaker reviewer, but I wanted to share my opinions of this wonderful speaker.

I stuck with the “Large” settings that Audyssey suggested, as well as the XO settings of 40 Hz for the M80s and VP 180. To my ears, it gives the fullest sound and tightest bass. After taking measurements with my ears and my sound meter, the only other adjustment I made was actually bringing down the VP180 to -0.5 db, while retaining the M80s at +1.5 db. I think the level difference is directly related to the speaker distance from my main listening position (the M80s are about 2 feet further away from my main listening position than the VP180 since I put it as forward as I could to have at least 6” behind it for the rear ports).

Sometimes I felt that the VP150 could sound thin at times when compared to the M80s. Almost like they got lost and the M80s were overpowering them. This problem is gone with the VP180. As I stated above, I am actually running it 2.0 db lower than the M80s. The sound of the VP180 (IMO) is very close to the M80, but if I had to make a guess at what sounds different, it's that the highs are not as (and I'm really thinking hard to come up with the right word here) “forward”? I was thinking of the words “harsh”, “brash”, and “pronounced”, but they all tend to have negative connotations associated with them and I do not feel that the M80s are really anything like that. Maybe the right word is “mellow” or “refined”.

(Alan, you had stated that the VP180 sounds close to the M80. What did you feel the difference was?)

The VP180s blends perfectly with the M80s, and the speakers seem to really compliment each other. The VP180 sounds much fuller than it's predecessor. The soundstage seemed to open up and have more of a sense of a 3rd dimension. This wasn't just my opinion, my wife said the same thing without me even giving her my impressions. After we listened together for about an hour (mostly to a Carpenter's Greatest Hits SACD which I chose on purpose for channel separation as well as a disc that would really put a spotlight on the center) she said that there were times where she could close her eyes and it would almost sound like Karen was in the room. This was really never the case with the VP150 (at least to me). She also said that she could really hear each speaker individually now, and even though she had heard this disc many times, she heard things she never heard before. I agreed, the disc almost sounded remastered.

Over the course of the day, I must have played 40 CDs. I chose tracks that I was very familiar with and ones that covered the gambit of different types of music. In every case, there was a VERY noticeable difference with the VP180. Every song sounded fuller, deeper, and “more real”, if you know what I mean. Most of these tracks were played using Dolby Pro-Logic II and they sounded almost as good as their multi-track counterparts (though the multi-track counterparts always were a bit better). I also took time to listen in the other seats in my theater, ones that were not the “sweet spot”. What I noticed right away is that the VP180 seems to have a wider sweet spot than the VP150. I could hear the center when I moved to the left or right seat, and I could also hear it very clearly from the back row.

I know this is just a bunch of rambling, but I am very impressed with this speaker. It sounds even better than I hoped it would. If you have M80s and the space, I would seriously consider giving it a listen. I think you will find it hard to go back to the VP150.
Posted by: medic8r

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 08:41 AM

Hey, thanks for the review. You obviously put a lot of effort and thought into it. Sounds like you had a fun day. What'd you do, tie up the young'uns so you could get some speaker time? ;\)

Your results are as I feared. Now I have to get one.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 10:31 AM

 Originally Posted By: SRoode
I also took time to listen in the other seats in my theater, ones that were not the “sweet spot”. What I noticed right away is that the VP180 seems to have a wider sweet spot than the VP150. I could hear the center when I moved to the left or right seat, and I could also hear it very clearly from the back row.


That is is awesome to hear (no pun intended), and no surprise given the VP180's new design (wider, bigger cabinet and unique driver configuration).

I should really stop reading this thread, it's making the wait that much more difficult to handle.
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 10:55 AM

anyone know when "all of us" will see the VP180v3 posted on the site? I guess right now it's under tight raps with the exception of a few who actually have them. Just wondering when it will be advertised to the world s well as when it will be available for purchase. I am considering the M80's, VP180 & a EP175 to replace my current front 3 and sub. turns out my current stand where my center is has about 1/4 more space then required by the VP180, it's like i was meant to have this center! here is my current setup gallery. http://www.blu-ray.com/community/gallery.php?member=solarrdadd

please & thank you!
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 10:58 AM

AFAIK only one person has it. Don't know when it will be up on the site but it is available for pre-order right now (just call or email them). Shipping commences May 31st I believe.
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 11:00 AM

 Originally Posted By: htnut
AFAIK only one person has it. Don't know when it will be up on the site but it is available for pre-order right now (just call or email them). Shipping commences May 31st I believe.


thanks buddy!
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 11:11 AM

Not necessarily accurate. It's only available for pre-order for existing customers. It will be publicly announced (and probably available?) in a few weeks.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 11:20 AM

 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
Not necessarily accurate. It's only available for pre-order for existing customers. It will be publicly announced (and probably available?) in a few weeks.


My apologies, I did not know that.

Shall I edit/delete my post?
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 11:21 AM

Nah.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 11:27 AM

OK then, I will try and be more careful next time. All the excitement just got the better of me...
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 11:34 AM

 Originally Posted By: medic8r
What'd you do, tie up the young'uns so you could get some speaker time? ;\)


My wife had it all planned. She knew it was arriving (I didn't) and surprised me. Part of the surprise was to take the kids out to play for a couple of hours so I could play with the new toy. She was just as excited as I was!
Posted by: Hansang

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 02:46 PM

Thanks for the Pics. I was toying with the idea of ordering another M80 for my center. I may have to pull the trigger on this pre-order. I would have to build a shelf, but that should be too hard. My M150's are on a bracket today. Hmmmm....
Posted by: onn

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 04:57 PM

Thanks for the excellent review Steve. Now the torturing wait starts.
Posted by: SatKartr

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 09:09 PM

Spoke to Brent this morning and he states that the vp150 would not pair well with the vp180 because the vp180 would just blow away the vp150 volume wise and that the vp180 can stand on its own and does not need a companion, so it seems like the best option will be to wait until June 1st and preorder is over and then order the vp180 on the trade up program.

I think I will mount the plasma tv on the wall and then place the vp180 on the tv table I have, or I could order the vp180 stand on preorder if it seems like a dedicated stand would be a better option.

This is all very exciting! Especially with the big green light from Steve, I feel confident this will put my system into a further, and probably final, level of refinement, for the foreseeable future (i.e., ultimate nirvana unless I should unexpectedly become a billionaire). I've been thinking so much lately about how I could possibly improve the center channel and this seems like it will resolve my only remaining issue, cool beans!
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 09:52 PM

I approve of your decision. \:\)
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 10:20 PM

SK's wife: "Who said you could spend more money on your stereo!?"

SK: "Charles approved it honey, you'll have to take it up with him...now where do you think I should set the crossover at?"
Posted by: St_PatGuy

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 10:22 PM

Time for Charles to start screening his phone calls.

This could be awkward!
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 10:23 PM

Ha ha. Any way I can get women to call me, I suppose.
Posted by: St_PatGuy

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 10:35 PM

Well, you can stop paying your bills, too, and hope the collectors are female?
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 10:37 PM

I'd rather not play the lottery.
Posted by: St_PatGuy

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 10:40 PM

Not even a scratcher?
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 11:01 PM

Your mom was a scratcher?
Posted by: St_PatGuy

Re: VP180 - 05/08/10 11:07 PM

She played Powerball.
Posted by: grunt

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 01:18 AM

Steve, thanks for taking the time to post your impressions of the VP180. Everything you’ve said about it working better with the M80s than the VP150 is what I felt when I switched to an M80 center except the part about being less forward.

Being that it is noticeably less forward than the M80 have you noticed any issues with the timbre of voices changing as they pan across the front soundstage like when an actor walks off screen left or right while talking?

Cheers,
Dean

P.S. Welcome to the all 80’s front soundstage club. You thought the M80 posse was bad . . . . ;\)
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 02:17 AM

The M80s already supposedly sound a little different from when I bought them, which I'm curious about, and if Ken is pushing for magnetic grilles on all of the speakers, maybe an M80 v3 is due to come out which matches a little better to this new *ahem* v3 VP180. And with the mention by Gene of M60v3s, maybe the whole Axiom line is being voiced slightly differently. There's my conspiracy theory of the night.
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 02:52 AM

Maybe they finally tried out 2x6's idea about upgraded caps in the crossover?
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 02:58 AM

Speaking of caps, I want something like this, but I don't want it affixed to a helmet. I want it to more naturally emanate from my hair. It seems like it would make a good chef's hat, especially if you specialize in spicy foods.
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 07:14 AM

 Originally Posted By: grunt
Being that it is noticeably less forward than the M80 have you noticed any issues with the timbre of voices changing as they pan across the front soundstage like when an actor walks off screen left or right while talking?


A VERY slight difference, but nowhere near as noticeable as the VP150. I think to the average listener, there would be no difference. If anything, I think the difference is in the positive direction because the timbre sounds a little more natural for vocals than if I were to have an M80 as a center. I think the fuller sound is perfect for a center. Again, sound is so subjective, and I think many of you will have slightly different opinions (also will be based on your room).

I am very interested to see what Alan thought was different about the VP180 as far as it's sound.
Posted by: HTGEEK

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 11:19 AM

I don't remember who posted it a few pages back, but the rumor going around is that Axiom will not be offering a 150 to 180 trade up right away.

If I am wrong, which I hope I am, somebody can jump in and comment on it.

Honestly if they didn't do it, it wouldn't surprise me due to how popular this beast will be.

I had convinced my fiance that a new receiver(4810), Blu-Ray player(BDP-83) and two new sets of speakers(M2&M22 inwalls) were all I needed to upgrade right now....guess I have to find a way to get the VP-180 next month. OF COURSE, that will most likely lead to an upgrade from my M60's to the M80's...
Posted by: grunt

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 11:21 AM

Thanks for the clarification and sorry for so many questions but tweaking is my nature. By any chance have you tired it out vertically. I was wondering how that driver array would sound standing up. Specifically I was thinking that FR of the speaker wouldn’t vary as much depending on which set of drivers was closest to ear level when elevated and sitting up close.

Also I was wondering if you think the slight difference in tone of the VP180 to the M80 may be just an artifact of it’s different positioning both horizontal and in/near a cabinet?

I completely agree with you that sound is subjective however, we have had a common experience pairing the VP150 and M80s and noticed the same improvements when switching out the VP150 for an M80 like design so I think in this case we are perceiving things at least somewhat similarly.

Cheers,
Dean
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 12:09 PM

I think tweaking is in any audiophile's nature! No, I have not tried it vertically. I have very little time when I am home (on the road for work) to tweak what I have. It may be an artifact, but I just finished listening to my last set before my plane ride today. It was "Hall and Oates: Live at the Troubadour". It sounded so perfect with the new center, that any differences in timbre can be thrown right out the window. My wife had heard it before with the VP150. I called her down to specifically listen to "Abandoned Luncheonette". She said that she felt like she was there listening to it live. Any differences in timbre are actually helping the blend. It is a breathtaking sound, and sometimes even emotional depending on your personal ties to the song that is being played. IMHO, it's the greatest compliment you can give to a loudspeaker.

To cut to the chase, I think you will really love it Dean.


Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 12:40 PM

 Originally Posted By: CatBrat
That's gotta be one great sounding system. I'm jealous.


That was "one great sounding system" last summer with the VP150 at the helm and twin EP800's with the old amps driving them... THIS system is more than likely 'UNBE-FREAKIN-LIVABLE"!!!!!!

I'm definately not going to pass up the invite to 'come play' sometime this summer now! \:D

Last time I departed your home Steve I was thoroughly convinced that Axiom made one hell of a loud speaker, and that I needed to place my order for a system pronto. I have no doubts that this time I'll come away thoroughly convinced that I HAVE to get the VP180! \:o

Congratulations on convincing Ian and the rest of them over there at Axiom to build you your dream center. I have no doubts that it had at least occured to them to do this before, but it seems you had quite some influence on finally getting them to 'get out of my dreams and get into my car' so-to-speak. Now the rest of us get to reap the rewards as well.

Job well done!
Posted by: SatKartr

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 06:26 PM

According to Brent, the vp150 to vp180 trade up was what I thought: you can't get both deals, i.e., you can't order the vp180 on preorder and also get a tradeup discount, so you can't get the $100 off via preorder and also tradeup, but if you don't want to hang onto the vp150 you can order the vp180 after June 1st and get whatever the tradeup value on your vp150 is (based on date of purchase) reduced from the expected price of $695.
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 07:35 PM

yeah, and either way, its about 100$ off the "normal" price... would be nice if they even gave say 100$ off for a 150, so about 200$ total off of the regular price. I would think they would still be ahead financially, and would probably sell a lot more product.....
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 08:06 PM

Selling volume at a loss generally isn't the best plan. Just ask any number of internet startups...
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 08:10 PM

So you're saying that it WOULD be a loss?
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 08:17 PM

I personally thought the $100 off for the owner's club was a very nice gesture in itself ... but that's just me.
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 08:20 PM

Yeah, I think that's a great discount. Honestly, I'm happy with the normal price, and that's what I'll be paying if I eventually decide to get one.
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 08:29 PM

Dude.

Twin 800s and you say you might have a VP180 'eventually'?!

What's up with that?


Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 08:39 PM

I like to mess with your heads?
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 08:41 PM

More than likely ... as usual.
Posted by: fredk

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 08:49 PM

Didn't work so well for AV123 did it? ;\)
Posted by: SatKartr

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 08:50 PM

As per my date of purchase approx Sept 2008 the price reduction is approx 340-370 dollars from the vp150 to the 180-you guys are insane, that is like buying an upgrade for NOTHING in realtime dollars. and we're talking a VP180!
Posted by: michael_d

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 08:58 PM

Steve -

I am very envious of your theater. You've done well. I hope to do something very similar when I build the next house. Now if I could just figure out what I wanted to do when I grow up, and where, I could start the house......
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 09:19 PM

I agree with Sat. I think both of Axiom's deals are more than generous. If you don't have an Axiom center, you can buy one for $100 off. If you do have an Axiom center, they give you a spectacular credit for the trade in. It's really a win-win.

Michael_D and everyone else... Thank you so much for your kind words and support! I really do feel like one of the luckiest guys on Earth (except I'm back in Raleigh for work now... 2 more weeks away).
Posted by: JohnK

Re: VP180 - 05/09/10 10:19 PM

Steve, if you're able to get a little time to temporarily turn it upright(even if it partially blocks the screen), your impressions would be interesting. The little comparisons I've done in the past with "conventional" MTM centers indicated that they sounded better when upright.
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/10/10 12:28 AM

 Originally Posted By: SatKartr
As per my date of purchase approx Sept 2008 the price reduction is approx 340-370 dollars from the vp150 to the 180-you guys are insane, that is like buying an upgrade for NOTHING in realtime dollars. and we're talking a VP180!


So you're saying they're going to give you between $325 & $350 dollars credit for your VP150??? Holy crap, that is AWESOME!!! So in other words Axiom is charging you about $70 bucks to use their center channel speaker for the past 2 years... Axiom never ceases to amaze me!
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/10/10 12:39 AM

Steve mentioned a very, very, VERY slight change in timber matching between the M80's and VP180... I don't know exactly what difference ports make, but I was wondering if this difference could come from the M80's having 2 ports out back, and one port up front as opposed to the VP180 having 3 ports out back?

I think if I were just now looking at putting a HT system together, I would very seriously have to look into getting 3 VP180's and using them as L/R and center... at least give it a try. I know how much even the slightest difference in sound drives Grunt absolutely crazy, so this would probably be ideal for him.

It certainly gives us all a lot more options when putting a HT together anyway, that's forsure!
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - 05/10/10 12:27 PM

My opinion is that any minor differences Steve might have noticed in timbre would not be solved even by buying 3 VP180's unless you oriented them all the same way and treated the room aggressively. You're just not going to get "perfect" - even out of the same speakers - because of different room interactions.
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 05/10/10 12:34 PM

Those damn rooms! <shakes fist in the air>
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/10/10 12:36 PM

Hmmm... Horizontal L/R mains you say eh? Now that would be an original set-up! \:D
Posted by: grunt

Re: VP180 - 05/10/10 01:22 PM

 Originally Posted By: Micah
Hmmm... Horizontal L/R mains you say eh? Now that would be an original set-up! \:D


There is a picture posted here on the forum (can’t remember where) of somebody, I think in California who set up 3 VP150s across the front.

I am very interested in how the VP180 sounds vertically. I can’t see why it wouldn’t sound as good or even better (often horizontal centers arrayed vertically have better horizontal dispersion). Assuming it does match the M80s well (can’t imagine why it won’t) then being able to have 3 VP180s up front arrayed either vertically, horizontally or a combination of both opens up some interesting placement possibilities and tweaking opportunities.

I’ve already toyed with the idea of using the fabrication shop at work to make 3 stands that would allow the VP180 to rotate 90 degrees from horizontal to vertical. I could have them arrayed vertically for music and have the center or all three turned horizontally for movies. Just so happens that three of them will fit horizontally under my screen with just enough room to spare to allow them to spin.

Also with symmetrical driver placement I think the VP180 might even work better than the M80s on the sides of the screen elevated up off the ground. This would give the option like some have done with the on/in-wall speakers of having the screen framed with VP180s.

Lots of interesting possibilities with this design IMO. ;\)
Posted by: casey01

Re: VP180 - 05/10/10 02:59 PM

I spent a considerable amount of time over the weekend scanning the internet and looking at many speaker manufacturer's websites(at all price levels)and quite surprisingly the only companies that I have found(other than ED)that have designed and are offering a center channel that is similar in size and driver configuration to their floor standing designs are Axiom and Paradigm. There may be others out there but all of the others that I have seen generally have center channels of various configurations with only "some" of the drivers and considerably smaller cabinets that they still "tout" as being "timbre matched" to their L/R speakers and these include many in the thousands of dollars in cost.

It would seem in the end, when all is said and done(and it would seem the folks at Axiom realized this), I guess you can't defy the laws of physics in that unless you can have identical vertically matched speakers across the front, OR in order to get that maximum performance in a horizontally oriented speaker, you still need the "box" and in one configuration or another, ALL the matching drivers.
Posted by: donlboy

Re: VP180 - 05/10/10 03:14 PM

Hope I didn't miss it in this thread, but I don't see what the recommended minimum spacing from the wall is for the three rear ports to work properly. Any information?
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 05/10/10 03:18 PM

I have mine about 6 inches off the back wall (the same as my M80s) and it seems to sound fine that way.
Posted by: donlboy

Re: VP180 - 05/10/10 03:29 PM

 Originally Posted By: SRoode
I have mine about 6 inches off the back wall (the same as my M80s) and it seems to sound fine that way.


Thanks Steve, that's good news!
Posted by: PTPlayers

Re: VP180 - 05/10/10 06:25 PM

Just ordered mine 2mins ago .

I had to measure 3 times to make sure it would fit on my stand .

Now just have to find a place for the electronics i will be moving off the top shelf.
Posted by: Jc

Re: VP180 - 05/10/10 06:47 PM

 Originally Posted By: donlboy
Hope I didn't miss it in this thread, but I don't see what the recommended minimum spacing from the wall is for the three rear ports to work properly. Any information?


Hi donlboy,

The minimum distance required from the back of the VP180 or M80 or any other Axiom rear ported speaker model to let the port breath is only 2 inches.

Putting any speaker close to a wall, and even more so close to a corner, will give you quite a boost in the upper bass region. It does not matter if the ports are in the front or the back or if there are no ports at all. It is one of those things you just have to try and if you seem to have an overpowering and muddy bass then you need to move the speakers away from the wall a bit.

Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/10/10 07:06 PM

Thanks JC. I was going to say that it would seem to me that just like M80's, the trick is to move it around until it sounds right to YOU. We can all recommend our own suggestions, but in the end, everyone has a little different opinion on placement.
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 05/10/10 11:25 PM

 Originally Posted By: Micah
everyone has a little different opinion on placement.

That's what I hear from most of the married guys....
Posted by: fredk

Re: VP180 - 05/10/10 11:50 PM

Being a geek I just had to measure the port diameter on the M80 and it is (drum roll please) 2", so one port diameter away from the wall just like the subwoofer port rule of thumb.
Posted by: jakewash

Re: VP180 - 05/11/10 12:00 PM

So how far away should you set the EP series of subs with the oblong port? ;\)
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 05/11/10 12:41 PM

I'd go with one port height away, since the height is the constraining dimension.
Posted by: mpyw

Re: VP180 - 05/11/10 08:28 PM

would the VP180 overkill for a M60 setup?
also, would it sync nicely with the M60?
Any of you here have heard the sound of Klipsch RC64 center? Does it blend well with the M60/M80?
the items are in my cart but really undecided if want to click "buy now" .....
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - 05/11/10 08:39 PM

I haven't heard the Klipsch.

I believe that the VP180 would sync VERY nicely with the M60 and would not be overkill at all.
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/11/10 08:39 PM

Which of the 4 speakers you mentioned in your post are 'in your cart' right now?
Posted by: mpyw

Re: VP180 - 05/11/10 08:43 PM

 Originally Posted By: Micah
Which of the 4 speakers you mentioned in your post are 'in your cart' right now?


2 x QS8 + VP180
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 05/11/10 08:58 PM

I would certainly expect the VP180 to pair better with M60s than a Klipsch anything. But as there's a single VP180 in the wild, and Axiom's likely to be testing alongside M80s, I can't say it definitively.
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/12/10 12:26 AM

 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
But as there's a single VP180 in the wild...



Easy there Cali boy! Oh sure, for you out there on the West Coast drinking in the ocean air and soaking in the ultra cool rays of the sun year round, Indiana might seem like a primative jungle filled with corn and not much else... but that's not ALL we are!!! Why we have the Colts, and... well uh..... well anyway we have the Colts!!!

And come this football season our Colts will kick some West Coast BOOOTAY for the cold hearted remarks you have made against the Hoosier state.... PREPARE FOR BATTLE!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 05/12/10 12:29 AM

My family's from Indiana. You guys also have a pretty good college basketball team, I understand.

And also euchre.

And yards. You bastards.
Posted by: GOD

Re: VP180 - 05/12/10 12:41 AM

 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
My family's from Indiana.


Yeah. And that's exactly what the Mormons said, too!
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/12/10 01:38 AM

 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
My family's from Indiana. You guys also have... yards. You bastards.


THIS is your (ok so it's been somewhat taken out of context) rebuttle??? I'm supposed to feel better because I have 3 ackers to mow EVERY week, sometimes TWICE a week!!!

That equates to 5 - 10 hours of playing time on my Axioms lost that you guys don't have to worry about... YOU bastards!














..... Hmmmm, I wonder if this is how the East Coast/West Coast rap wars all started? Perhaps we should tone it down a smidge... I don't have any caps to bust into anyone's ass. \:\(
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 05/12/10 02:06 AM

You Americans sure do talk funny...
Posted by: grunt

Re: VP180 - 05/12/10 02:56 AM

 Originally Posted By: Micah

I'm supposed to feel better because I have 3 ackers to mow EVERY week, sometimes TWICE a week!!!

That equates to 5 - 10 hours of playing time on my Axioms lost that you guys don't have to worry about... YOU bastards!


Two words, “desert landscape” \:\)
Posted by: HTGEEK

Re: VP180 - 05/12/10 07:26 AM

If you check back towards the beginning of this thread, I had asked the same question regarding the M60's. The answer was, it will do just fine with the M60's. \:\)
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 05/12/10 12:52 PM

You forgot to mention affordable homes.
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 05/12/10 01:13 PM

Don't make me stab myself repeatedly.
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/12/10 04:16 PM

Poor Grunt will never know the joys of piloting a John Deere riding mower. \:\(
Posted by: AndyP

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 09:16 AM

I gotta stop reading this thread--I'm torn between upgrade fever and laughing too hard, because I already know all the joys of wasting time on a John Deere tractor.

Anyways, Micah--your signature pretty much sums up the speakers I want to ultimately get from Axiom (with the exception of the VP150 being replaced with a VP180).

Question about the EP800--what subwoofer did you have before and how much more are you loving the EP800? Am working on convincing my fiancee to upgrade the system--just got some Audiobytes for her new computer (start small, right?!).
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 09:43 AM

AndyP,

I just learned of the joys of a zero-turn riding lawn mower. They are the shiznittle bam snip snap sack! So fun to drive and I can just zip through acres of property in a matter of a few hours while triming around most of the trees at the same time.
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 01:05 PM

 Originally Posted By: AndyP

Question about the EP800--what subwoofer did you have before and how much more are you loving the EP800?



Well Andy my HT previous to this one was very different. Yes I had a lot of money invested in it, but I really didn't know what I was doing when I pieced it together. To answer your question, I had a Cerwin Vega 12 inch down firing sub that made a lot of noise, but wasn't very accurate. Back then I thought $1000 dollars for a subwoofer was absolutely ridiculous! So it's safe to say I made a lot of changes as far as my attitude towards costs was concerned.

And you missed the epic EP800 saga. The cliff notes goes like this... when I first recieved my EP800 I had many, many, MANY freaky problems surrounding it. After months of trying this and that, I finally decided to throw in the towel and go in another direction. But Axiom had one more trick up their sleeve... they completely redid the amp. That and I found out my Denon reciever had some sort of compatibility issues with the sub. Axiom now has that reciever and are looking into what the problem was. In the meantime I have a Sherwood Newcastle running things. It's not as powerful as my Denon, but it does an adequate job of driving my Axioms.

And now that I have a working EP800, I am as you said, "LOVING IT"!!!! It's an incredible subwoofer. As are all of Axioms offerings IMO. \:\)
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 01:08 PM

 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
AndyP,

I just learned of the joys of a zero-turn riding lawn mower. They are the shiznittle bam snip snap sack! So fun to drive and I can just zip through acres of property in a matter of a few hours while triming around most of the trees at the same time.



You bastard!!! I've been wanting a zero turn-radius mower for years, but can't justify spending $5000 dollars on a decent one. How much did you spend on yours?

I have mower envy now! \:\(
Posted by: Glitchy

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 02:11 PM

 Originally Posted By: Micah
 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
AndyP,

I just learned of the joys of a zero-turn riding lawn mower. They are the shiznittle bam snip snap sack! So fun to drive and I can just zip through acres of property in a matter of a few hours while triming around most of the trees at the same time.



You bastard!!! I've been wanting a zero turn-radius mower for years, but can't justify spending $5000 dollars on a decent one. How much did you spend on yours?

I have mower envy now! \:\(


I have mower envy for my landscaper's zero turn when I watch him cruise my lawn...... but I can live with it, let him spend the $5K
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 02:26 PM

This mower here. I have only used it twice so far and I love it. It is eventually going to replace an older John Deere riding mower.

http://www.homedepot.ca/webapp/wcs/store...tk=P_PartNumber
Posted by: grunt

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 02:33 PM

 Originally Posted By: Micah
Poor Grunt will never know the joys of piloting a John Deere riding mower. \:\(


I know it’s deathly boring going out to spray herbicide on the occasional weed every couple weeks. Good thing I can hear my M80s outside, down the street and part way around the corner. \:\)
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 03:21 PM

 Originally Posted By: grunt
...Good thing I can hear my M80s outside, down the street and part way around the corner. \:\)



You bastard!!!



(Sorry, Ken made it sound so cool to say 'you bastard' that I just can't seem to stop myself!)
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 03:24 PM

 Originally Posted By: wordgasm
...... but I can live with it, let him spend the $5K




......and then slowly recoup that $5k off of you while mowing your yard ;\)
Posted by: Glitchy

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 04:11 PM

 Originally Posted By: Micah
 Originally Posted By: wordgasm
...... but I can live with it, let him spend the $5K




......and then slowly recoup that $5k off of you while mowing your yard ;\)


I know ... I'm living for today, at $86/mth, he can mow for a while! And the $86/mth includes Bugkiller/Fertilizer/Weedkiller, all 3 times a year and includes labor for seeding, laying mulch etc. I just have to pay for the seed/hay/mulch. He also mmows as many times a week as needed.. 1 or 2, .........now in the winter he's making a killin!
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 04:48 PM

86 bucks a month is cheap, my guy charges 25 bucks per cutting that doesn't include anything beyond cutting, edging and trimming the yard and we have a small yard. I prefer to do my own nutrient, herbicide and pesticide treatments anyway so that's no big deal.

I've owned my share of lawn equipment over the years and as long as I am economically capable will continue to pay to have the work done. 'Let me see, what will I do on my off day ... fishing or yardwork?' ;\)
Posted by: Glitchy

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 04:54 PM

 Originally Posted By: RickF
86 bucks a month is cheap, my guy charges 25 bucks per cutting that doesn't include anything beyond cutting, edging and trimming the yard and we have a small yard. I prefer to do my own nutrient, herbicide and pesticide treatments anyway so that's no big deal.

I've owned my share of lawn equipment over the years and as long as I am economically capable will continue to pay to have the work done. 'Let me see, what will I do on my off day ... fishing or yardwork?' ;\)


I'm with you!
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 05:10 PM

 Originally Posted By: RickF
'Let me see, what will I do on my off day ... fishing or yardwork?' ;\)







..............yoooooooou bastard!!!
Posted by: Potatohead

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 05:14 PM

 Originally Posted By: RickF
'Let me see, what will I do on my off day ... fishing or yardwork?' ;\)


Good Lord what I would do to have my wife have an attitude like this. I'm all for doing things when they are fun, and sometimes projects or little things around the house are fun, but chores and the like just suck the life out of me. I would so much rather pay someone to clean and mow the lawn but she won't have any part of it whatsoever
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 05:25 PM

 Originally Posted By: RickF
'Let me see, what will I do on my off day ... fishing or yardwork?' ;\)

Ooooh!!...Ooooh!....I know this one!!
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 05:55 PM

 Originally Posted By: Potatohead
 Originally Posted By: RickF
'Let me see, what will I do on my off day ... fishing or yardwork?' ;\)


Good Lord what I would do to have my wife have an attitude like this. I'm all for doing things when they are fun, and sometimes projects or little things around the house are fun, but chores and the like just suck the life out of me. I would so much rather pay someone to clean and mow the lawn but she won't have any part of it whatsoever


I bet she would if *she* was the one doing the yardwork.
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 06:25 PM

 Originally Posted By: RickF
'Let me see, what will I do on my off day ... fishing or yardwork?' ;\)


Only one little problem with this choice for me... I don't like to fish.
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 06:48 PM

I had the same problem....I don't like yardwork.
Posted by: Glitchy

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 06:51 PM

Well I'm breaking a sweat as I type ... the guy is here doing the lawn right now ... hope this doesn't take long!
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 06:59 PM

 Originally Posted By: Adrian
I had the same problem ... I don't like yardwork.


Me too Adrian.

I'll be in your shoes tomorrow Jeff, our day is on Friday ... that way the yard will be spiffy for the weekend.
Posted by: Glitchy

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 07:06 PM

 Originally Posted By: RickF
 Originally Posted By: Adrian
I had the same problem ... I don't like yardwork.


I'll be in your shoes tomorrow Jeff, our day is on Friday ... that way the yard will be spiffy for the weekend.


That's why I have the house cleaner come on Fridays \:\)

Okay, yard guy done ... time to relax!
Posted by: merchman

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 07:10 PM

 Quote:
'Let me see, what will I do on my off day ... fishing or yardwork?'


Time for you to take a day off and get out fishin' then! ;\)
Posted by: Potatohead

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 07:16 PM

 Originally Posted By: RickF
 Originally Posted By: Potatohead
 Originally Posted By: RickF
'Let me see, what will I do on my off day ... fishing or yardwork?' ;\)


Good Lord what I would do to have my wife have an attitude like this. I'm all for doing things when they are fun, and sometimes projects or little things around the house are fun, but chores and the like just suck the life out of me. I would so much rather pay someone to clean and mow the lawn but she won't have any part of it whatsoever


I bet she would if *she* was the one doing the yardwork.


Actually not really, she doesn't mind doing it, perhaps deep down she's a massochist or something . Really though, she's just cheap \:D .
Posted by: Pitbull24

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 07:24 PM

I'll raise everyone a pooper scooper service! I'll keep my John Deere(with cupholder!) because the wife likes to drive!
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 07:31 PM

There was a period of time whenever I traveled a lot with work and my wife took over the yard chores, one particular summer she gave it up and hired the guy that cuts most of the lawns in the hood for the time that I was gone ... I really didn't want to contribute to the unemployment issues of the day and just kept him on whenever I came back, worked out great for all parties!

Hopefully soon Ed!
Posted by: Glitchy

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 07:31 PM

 Originally Posted By: Pitbull24
I'll raise everyone a pooper scooper service! I'll keep my John Deere(with cupholder!) because the wife likes to drive!


Is that the 180 pooper scopper? Or the now discontinued 150 with the smaller scoop?
Posted by: AndyP

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 10:01 PM

Heh...I keep waiting for our John Deere to breakdown to get a zero-radius mower as well.

Your Denon is only driving the fronts and surrounds, and just providing a signal for sound to the sub, but the EP800 runs on its own amp right? That is weird that the Denon amp would have a compatibility problem.
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 05/13/10 10:23 PM

Well, it has to be a record... It took 34 pages or so for this thread to spiral off into fishing, yard work, tractors, and cleaning women. \:\)
Posted by: grunt

Re: VP180 - 05/14/10 02:24 AM

 Originally Posted By: Micah

You bastard!!!


Why yes, yes I am. \:\)
Posted by: Argon

Re: VP180 - 05/14/10 09:55 AM

 Originally Posted By: RickF
 Originally Posted By: Adrian
I had the same problem ... I don't like yardwork.


Me too Adrian.

I'll be in your shoes tomorrow Jeff, our day is on Friday ... that way the yard will be spiffy for the weekend.


You mean you don't dust your own yard?
Posted by: davidsch

Re: VP180 - 05/14/10 01:33 PM

 Originally Posted By: CatBrat
 Originally Posted By: RickF
'Let me see, what will I do on my off day ... fishing or yardwork?' ;\)


Only one little problem with this choice for me... I don't like to fish.


A cat that doesn't like to fish? Whoever heard of such a thing?
Posted by: jhunt17

Re: VP180 - 05/15/10 12:16 PM

Is it the 31'st yet. I am looking forward to getting my new toy. Friday I got to show a friend my system. He was totally amazed.
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 05/15/10 04:24 PM

Talking about showing your system to a friend, here's and interesting side story. I had a friend (actually, the person I hired as my general contractor for our home addition 2 years ago) and his family over last weekend for dinner. He's building a new house and was interested in my input for his new theater. I had only showed him my setup once when he was building the addition. I mentioned a new speaker that I had (the VP180, which just came in the mail), and before I could even mention the manufacturer, he remembered that I had Axioms. I was pretty surprised that he remembered that, but then he told me how floored he was with the sound he heard when I played them for him (2 years ago for about 10 minutes).

This time, they all came down to the theater and I played a scene from Avatar (have not played the whole movie yet, but it was a scene where the main character was trying to capture what looked like a dragon). Anyway, we all watched for at least 10 minutes, and they were mesemerized (actually, I was too. The subs were really moving some serious air in that scene. You could feel the shock waves hitting you as the dragon flapped it's wings).

When it was over, my friend and his wife said they never experienced anything like that. The sound was better than any home theater they heard. Their little girl was really excited and said it was better than seeing it in the movies.
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 05/15/10 07:05 PM

That's a cool story. People have enjoyed my system, but no one has yet been tempted to start down this dark path. Well, my coworker's son would like to build a nice system at some point, but his priorities are elsewhere for now.

I'd like to have people over more regularly when I move my system into the basement. I think I'll be able to fine-tune the sound a lot more, and I'll have more room for seating, so it will be easier to have movie nights. But yeah, I kind of wish I had some local friends who were as into the hobby. I think it would be more fun to play with all of this stuff with other people.

Nice new avatar, by the way.
Posted by: PTPlayers

Re: VP180 - 05/15/10 08:03 PM

Would be nice if they started shipping the vp-180 before the 31st as my new xpa-3 is waiting to power up this puppy .
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 05/15/10 11:34 PM

It's great validation when other people love your system as much as you do, isn't it?
Posted by: jhunt17

Re: VP180 - 05/16/10 03:54 PM

Tic. Tic....Tic........Tic......... Is time slowing down? I feel like my son.. Is it my birthday yet??? Come on 31'st!!!
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 05/25/10 09:03 AM

with the 31's arriving in less than a week, and no official "get ready you all" from the site should I still believe what I've been reading for a while that the VP180 is going to be released on Monday or Tuesday of next week?

Yes, I know i'm new here but i've never seen anything officially released by Axiom on the center, just what's here at the forum. I couldn't even find a press release about it from them. is thsi the way Axiom always does it, not saying anything and then the thing just shows up available and for sale? Thats's fine if that's the way. I've been wanting to buy the M80's & the EP175 but have been holding off waiting for the "rumored" VP180, i only used the term rumored because i can't find anything official from Axiom.

I do hope this is not going to be another UMC-1 thing (that's not a crack at Emotiva either but a truth about how long it took for it to finally be released after almost 2 years of waiting) as far as the actual release goes. I really do want this center (as well as the other speakers mentioned) but, since i'm not a VIP member or a previous owner, i have nothing else to actually go on about the center other than what has been posted here. i'm also concerned because this thread has been very quiet considering this incredible new addition is supposed to be released in one week or less.

I'm trying to keep the faith but so far for me not a word from Axiom themselves on their site is a little bothersome for me. I'm hoping that in a week or so, I'll be able to laugh after seeing the speaker up for sale and reading the stellar reviews from owners start to pour in.
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 05/25/10 09:17 AM

Axiom doesn't do "vaporware"

The VP180 was announced to the owner's club members to allow them to pre-order. Don't quote me on the specifics, because I haven't noted them, but I believe the "release" is in a week or two.
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 05/25/10 09:35 AM

Hi solardadd,

I wouldn't worry about anything regarding the VP180. Like MarkSJohnson noted axiom does not do vaporware. As far as hype goes Axiom does not really take part in creating forum hype of their products, their staff have much more important things to do like running a business so it fires on all cylinders at all times instead of wasting productivity through creating viral hype of products on the forum. They let their products speak for themselves.

All the hype comes from the owners actually owning the product and only 1 individual has this speaker. They also do not create hype of their products "in development" and make promises on release dates unless the product is completed and is up to their specs and standards. Therefore you will see much less "hype" than what you are use to over at EMO.

IMO, Axiom takes a much different approach than EMO and is a much more competently ran business because of it. You will never see a debauchery such as the UMC-1 for example from Axiom.
Posted by: EFalardeau

Re: VP180 - 05/25/10 09:57 AM

Salardadd, the best course of action for you would be to send an email through Axiom's expert advice support mentionning that you would be interested in the VP180 as soon as it is available and go from their answer.
Posted by: jakewash

Re: VP180 - 05/25/10 11:07 AM

The Owner's club newsletter simply states the VP180 will begin shipping on May 31, this would be for the May preorders. I would guess this might be the date it could show up on the products page for sale to the public.
Posted by: michael_d

Re: VP180 - 05/25/10 11:34 AM

Or...you could just pick up the phone, call the toll free number and speak to someone instead of relying on information found in the world of on-line conversations.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 05/25/10 12:52 PM

 Originally Posted By: solarrdadd
with the 31's arriving in less than a week, and no official "get ready you all" from the site should I still believe what I've been reading for a while that the VP180 is going to be released on Monday or Tuesday of next week?

Yes, I know i'm new here but i've never seen anything officially released by Axiom on the center, just what's here at the forum. I couldn't even find a press release about it from them. is thsi the way Axiom always does it, not saying anything and then the thing just shows up available and for sale? Thats's fine if that's the way. I've been wanting to buy the M80's & the EP175 but have been holding off waiting for the "rumored" VP180, i only used the term rumored because i can't find anything official from Axiom.

I do hope this is not going to be another UMC-1 thing (that's not a crack at Emotiva either but a truth about how long it took for it to finally be released after almost 2 years of waiting) as far as the actual release goes. I really do want this center (as well as the other speakers mentioned) but, since i'm not a VIP member or a previous owner, i have nothing else to actually go on about the center other than what has been posted here. i'm also concerned because this thread has been very quiet considering this incredible new addition is supposed to be released in one week or less.

I'm trying to keep the faith but so far for me not a word from Axiom themselves on their site is a little bothersome for me. I'm hoping that in a week or so, I'll be able to laugh after seeing the speaker up for sale and reading the stellar reviews from owners start to pour in.


Oh, it's coming alright \:\) You can always call or email Axiom direct, or just wait until June since it's so close now.
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 05/25/10 01:38 PM

I can attest that it is not vaporware.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 05/25/10 02:03 PM

All one needs to do is glimpse left and there is a picture to prove it ;\)
Posted by: jakewash

Re: VP180 - 05/25/10 02:50 PM

 Originally Posted By: htnut
All one needs to do is glimpse left and there is a picture to prove it ;\)
I'm looking and I am not seeing ;\)
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: VP180 - 05/25/10 02:56 PM

Wall of Fame?
Posted by: bluray

Re: VP180 - 05/26/10 06:45 PM

Can someone please provide the prices for the VP180:
1. Owner's Club pre-issue price
2. Owner's Club VaSSallo finish version (maybe Owner's Club "deal" is standard vinyl only?)
3. Regular retail price once fully available
4. Regular retail price of VaSSallo finish version

Thanks

Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 05/26/10 06:58 PM

As far as I know...

1. $595 USD
2. $695 USD
3. probably based on pre-order price, send pm to Peter Bell or email peter@axiomaudio.com
4. based on reg price, contact Peter Bell or someone at Axiom

To reiterate, the custom finishes I'm sure, would be based on the pre-order price or the reg price depending on when you order but really you should contact Axiom directly about those prices if you want them right now. I would presume that once the VP180 is on the website officially, all pricing will be shown(not pre-order obviously).
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 05/26/10 07:22 PM

I think you need to flip 2 and 3, there.
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 05/26/10 07:26 PM

Trewdatt.
Posted by: Jc

Re: VP180 - 05/26/10 08:44 PM

 Originally Posted By: bluray
Can someone please provide the prices for the VP180:
1. Owner's Club pre-issue price
2. Owner's Club VaSSallo finish version (maybe Owner's Club "deal" is standard vinyl only?)
3. Regular retail price once fully available
4. Regular retail price of VaSSallo finish version


Hi bluray,

The pre-order price is $595.00 and the period ends May 31st.. The regular price for a VP180 in an Axiom standard vinyl finish will be $695.00.

VaSSallo finishes are available for pre-orderas well; the price varies according to the wood and the gloss selections. All woods except "Rosewood" in a low (satin) or semi gloss has a pre-order price of $796.55.

I don't have the exact price at this time for the VP180 in a VaSSallo finish after the pre-order period. It will be approximately $960.00 again depending on the wood and the gloss selections.
Posted by: bluray

Re: VP180 - 05/26/10 09:49 PM

Thanks JC. Even the regular price seems to be an incredible value.
Posted by: michael_d

Re: VP180 - 05/27/10 11:21 AM

Guys -

No need to complicate this any. It's quite simple.

The pre-order deal is $100 off. $100 off regardless of finish. It is a number than Peter Bell came up with.

If you want to buy one, and wish to get the $100 off, you either need to order it through the owners club (if you are an owner's club member) - or, you need to pick up the phone and ask a sales rep if you can get the deal. My guess is that you can, but only if you take the effort to make a phone call.
Posted by: chesseroo

Re: VP180 - 05/27/10 08:25 PM

 Originally Posted By: michael_d
Guys -

No need to complicate this any. It's quite simple.


People like complicated because simple is simply too easy to believe that it is possible.
\:\)
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 05/27/10 08:33 PM

That's simply not true \:\)
Posted by: chesseroo

Re: VP180 - 05/27/10 08:34 PM

 Originally Posted By: htnut
That's simply not true \:\)

That's right.
It's complicatedly false.
Posted by: fredk

Re: VP180 - 05/27/10 10:24 PM

And here I thought it was simply amazing.
Posted by: ghost271

Re: VP180 - 05/28/10 01:58 AM

Great, more things to add to the 'Wish List'
Just purchased a 55" Toshiba 670U, and love it to death. But thats the last big HT purchase till we sell the house and upgrade. Hopefully in a larger room in the next house, I'll upgrade my Reciever, the projector, and then the center and another sub.
That thing looks like a beast and I like the fact that it's running dual 6" woofers. That'll fill out the soundstage tremendously !
Posted by: jhunt17

Re: VP180 - 05/31/10 12:45 PM

Are these actually shipping today? I'm in the US and today is a national holiday so it won't be running today, but is the company ready to start shipping these to their pre-order customers?
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 05/31/10 12:46 PM

As someone who did pre-order, you'd be in the best position to tell us! If you get a shipping email, yup, if not, well...
Posted by: PTPlayers

Re: VP180 - 05/31/10 03:15 PM

Have not received my email as of yet .:-(
Posted by: jakewash

Re: VP180 - 05/31/10 04:12 PM

I will guess there was a large number of preorders so it could take some time for the emails/speakers to start flowing.
Posted by: LucRaymond

Re: VP180 - 05/31/10 04:28 PM


+1 to the preorder

+ 2x M60 for the bedroom

:-)
Posted by: jakewash

Re: VP180 - 05/31/10 04:30 PM

Wow, M60s for a bedroom, only in my dreams would that ever happen.
Posted by: LucRaymond

Re: VP180 - 05/31/10 04:36 PM

 Originally Posted By: jakewash
Wow, M60s for a bedroom, only in my dreams would that ever happen.


The bedroom is around 28'x14'. I'm transferring the VP150 from the living room to the bedroom, adding m60 and I have a pair of omnipolar Mirage that will be used for surround.

I'll probably grab a few pictures
Posted by: jakewash

Re: VP180 - 05/31/10 04:41 PM

Pics of that setup are a must, thanks! \:\)

I have some spare M22s and a VP100 I keep threatening to install in the bedroom but my wife says no way.
Posted by: LucRaymond

Re: VP180 - 05/31/10 04:53 PM

 Originally Posted By: jakewash
Pics of that setup are a must, thanks! \:\)

I have some spare M22s and a VP100 I keep threatening to install in the bedroom but my wife says no way.


My wife likes it so no problems. She always want the bigger one. We have a 5.1 in the bedroom, a 7.1 in the living room, a 5.1 in the gym (that's my place! :-) ) and two 2.1 systems in the computer room.

Around 95% of them are Axiom. I have several kinds: AX1.5, M22, QS8, M60 (on order), M80 , VP150 , VP180 (on order).
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 05/31/10 05:06 PM

Must reeeeesist........
Posted by: Wid

Re: VP180 - 05/31/10 05:22 PM

 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
Must reeeeesist........


LOL, you're making progress Mark.
Posted by: jakewash

Re: VP180 - 05/31/10 05:23 PM

Sometimes it is just too easy Mark.
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 05/31/10 05:29 PM

Mark! I demand that you make a joke!
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 05/31/10 08:06 PM

 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
Must reeeeesist........


LMAO ... the millisecond I read that the first thing to hit my feeble mind was 'OK, where's Mark'
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 05/31/10 10:14 PM

Coming from work, I was so exited to go check my email expecting an email form Axiom saying that my VP180 was shipped, but nothing... I guess I won't be receiving it tomorrow...
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 06/01/10 12:45 AM

Patience, everyone, patience... \:\)
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 06/01/10 02:12 PM

Hi just emailed Noreen and it looks like they will only be shipping the VP180 next week. So for all of us that have pre ordered, it looks like we have to wait a bit longer
Posted by: EFalardeau

Re: VP180 - 06/01/10 03:28 PM

And they will not be shipping to everyone on the first day. Depending on the number of pre-orders and your position in the first-ordered, first-shipped queue, you may want to prepare yourself for more than a week's wait... \:\(
Posted by: jhunt17

Re: VP180 - 06/01/10 03:37 PM

Ok that kinda upsets me a little bit. If you are telling people that your are going to ship something a certain day then it should ship that day. Don't tell me one thing and then do another. Not good business.
Posted by: Potatohead

Re: VP180 - 06/01/10 06:10 PM

I would imagine they say that is the estimated day of completion...
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 06/01/10 06:11 PM

I feel your pain. I am a bit disappointed too. I think Axiom is a great company but I was really hopping to play with my new toy today. I am curious to know the reason on the delay though...
Hopefully it's not something that went wrong during the production that they will try to fix ass fast.
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/01/10 06:13 PM

i know i'm new here but i guess what i'd been hearing about the VP180 showing up today on the site either just didn't pan out for Axiom or was the date made up by rumor on the site? i'm just curious because i want to buy one or at least read the official page for the center speaker. even if they weren't ready to sell it until a week or so, why not go ahead and put up the official page so people can get info straight from the maker/seller not just by hear-say on the site and not from the few who are in the club. i think that club only on the info is a bad idea, it didn't work out for emotiva (at least the company did put out official information from time to time about the delays and such so i will give them that much credit. can't find one word from the company on this site from Axiom in the form of an offical release notice or anything) and it's not working out here. if you offer previous owners a discount, that's fine, i'm all for that but why hold back info on a product to a few and not to everyone like a potential customer like me? now because there is not official release notice from Axiom we have to read about what was heard or something like that. yes, i know it will be ready when it's ready but that really should come from Axiom to add some truth to it. they should step up and say something to all of us, then, we all at the same time will know what is what. now i'm sure i'll get a beat down but that's cool too it still won't change what's right. hey, i don't even know is Axiom promised that these speakers would be available today or not which is part of the problem, i'm going on hear-say from this forum. not seeing anything from Axiom themselves, that date may be made up too!
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 06/01/10 06:24 PM

Solar, if you give Axiom a call, they'll answer any and all questions.
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - 06/01/10 07:49 PM

Everybody should just relax.

Maybe Axiom doesn't WANT to say anything official, yet.

What we've got is pre-orders available to some previous customers. That sounds like "Beta" to me. We should be happy we've got ANY information (i.e. "hope") at this point. Without the beauty of the uncensored Axiom forums, we'd have a big bunch of nothing at the moment.

I don't think it's terribly useful to start throwing around concepts like credibility and right/wrong because of a PERCEIVED delay in shipping. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anybody can confirm that Axiom HASN'T shipped anything yet, right?

Maybe everybody at Axiom is simply too busy packing and shipping VP180's to type an update on the packing and shipping of VP180's. \:\)
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 06/01/10 08:00 PM

Cheers Tom ... <clinck>!

I'm relaxed, beer in hand and very patiently waiting ... no problem man. \:\)
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 06/01/10 08:06 PM

The owners club newsletter said "with shipping BEGINNING on May 31..." (for pre-orders), not "every pre-ordered VP180 will be shipped on May 31".

I enjoy complaining as much as the next guy, but how could this *possibly* be a credibility issue on June 1 ?

EDIT - also, maybe I missed something but I thought "regular" shipments were supposed to start on June 30 or thereabouts, so I wasn't expecting to see the VP180 appear on the site until then.

My personal feeling is that if Axiom expected to start shipping pre-orders this week and actually starts shipping them next week then they're doing pretty darned good, but I admit that view is colored by 30 years of my own experience with new product development ;\)
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 06/01/10 08:08 PM

That's what was running through my mind John.
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 06/01/10 08:12 PM

Jeez, Rick. I heard that <clink> ad I just want a beer! Got an extra one of those? \:\)
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 06/01/10 08:30 PM

Sure do, might not be one of those fancy shmancy beers that some of these fellas around here have a taste for but I do have a Samual Adams or a Heineken for you Mark ... and a frozen mug.
Posted by: fredk

Re: VP180 - 06/01/10 09:03 PM

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What we've got is pre-orders available to some previous customers. That sounds like "Beta" to me.

Steve was beta. This is release candidate 1. Just think, if Micro$oft was doing this product, you could look for a release in, oh, two years.
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 06/01/10 10:08 PM

I think people are just anxious to give this beast a try! Well... the only thing we can do is wait...
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 12:13 AM

Jeepers, where did the mob come from? \:\) The VP180 is real, just delayed. As Adrian said, all it takes is a phone call. I spoke to Axiom and was told that they were still awaiting delivery on some part(s) required for the crossover, so first shipments will be delayed somewhat.
Posted by: grunt

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 03:55 AM


Would all you guys stop trying “enhance your calm.” This is an ID speaker forum. Don’t you want to be full of rumors, panic and snot slinging.

On the serious side perhaps an official thread in the “What’s New At Axiom” subforum with up-to-date info would be in order at this point no matter how accurate the info posted by members is since some people don’t seem to be getting the word.

I think many of use regulars here don’t always realize how many “part-timers” and lurkers hang around this place and don’t always keep up with things. Like last night at about 4:00 AM here there were at least 10 guests in the “What are you Listening to Tonight” thread.
Posted by: a401classic

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 07:13 AM

 Originally Posted By: RickF
Cheers Tom ... <clinck>!

I'm relaxed, beer in hand and very patiently waiting ... no problem man. \:\)


An excellent example of delayed gratification.

Scott
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 08:59 AM

 Originally Posted By: grunt

Would all you guys stop trying “enhance your calm.” This is an ID speaker forum. Don’t you want to be full of rumors, panic and snot slinging.

On the serious side perhaps an official thread in the “What’s New At Axiom” subforum with up-to-date info would be in order at this point no matter how accurate the info posted by members is since some people don’t seem to be getting the word.

I think many of use regulars here don’t always realize how many “part-timers” and lurkers hang around this place and don’t always keep up with things. Like last night at about 4:00 AM here there were at least 10 guests in the “What are you Listening to Tonight” thread.


I agree, my point with my post yesterday was that there is nothing being said from the company in any way shape or form on the issue. they could and should be the ones that put this to rest for everyone by speaking. if they say nothing then rumors of "what if" will continue. I think the worse thing Axiom can do is say nothing. I have not yet seen anything on the site from them (the company) about the VP180. yes, i am interested in it and want to buy it but am, like most, going on what i hear on this forum from people other than axiom and that's where the problem is. come on Axiom, throw us a freak'n bone here! (Dr. Evil)

i don't mind waiting, just want to know what i'm waiting for and hear it from the company, not the customers or potential customers (like myself) or the casual viewers.
Posted by: EFalardeau

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 09:37 AM

They have email and a phone. Rumors on forums start because people are asking question on forums instead of sending them to the people with the actual answer. Forums can be a great help, but Axiom cannot be held responsible for not answering questions they were not asked.
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 09:54 AM

 Originally Posted By: EFalardeau
Axiom cannot be held responsible for not answering questions they were not asked.


Perfectly said! \:\)
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 09:56 AM

 Originally Posted By: EFalardeau
They have email and a phone. Rumors on forums start because people are asking question on forums instead of sending them to the people with the actual answer. Forums can be a great help, but Axiom cannot be held responsible for not answering questions they were not asked.


I agree with you in for the most part, however, the company should put something out for the masses. why would i want everyone to have to call me for information; why would they not address everyone at once by putting something out on the web themselves about this? I just don't think it should be asked that all customers call to find out this information. if i was an axiom operator, i would be tired if everyone kept calling about the same thing, that's why you put out an official notice so that everyone can have the same information at the same time. of course this will never stop phone calls, nor should it but it would help. we all just want to know something and like i said, only the company can answer that. isn't that part of what this forum is for? i'm surprised Axiom isn't utilizing it's own forum to that end.
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 10:02 AM

Its ok Solarrdadd, right now you're just suffering from a mild case of 'Axiomownersclubitis', your symptoms are perfectly normal. But don't worry, once you become an Axiom owner, and are privy to deals and details like this, you will appreciate having access to things that non-owners don't.

Axiom hasn't made a public statement to the masses yet for one reason alone, they aren't ready to meet demand for the product yet. My guess is (and this is only a guess), that they received more preorders through the owners club than they may have anticipated. It must be nearly ready to come to market, or Steve wouldn't be enjoying his (when he gets time to) already.

Bottom line is, since they don't have anything official up on the site yet, there are less people who may be disapponted if there are any delays. Damage control. The members of the owners club are likely to be more patient and understanding of any hold-ups that may arise. So if they are the only one's who are actually 'expecting' the product and Axiom can't deliver promptly, then at least there aren't scores and scores of disappointed patrons out there, many of whom might cross Axiom off their list altogether if they thought right out of the gate that Axiom was a company that didn't have their shit together. So we'll wait and see when they make an official announcement. Once they have, my guess is they'll have their ducks in a row and be ready to make the masses happy.

That being said, Axiom is not an enormous company. They do have their fair share of growing pains. The EP800 is a good example. My personal opinion is that it may have been rushed to market a bit too quickly, using what was basically the EP600 amp modified to run two woofers instead of one. The new amp is much better suited to that task, and makes it an entirely different, and definately better subwoofer than the first incarnation of the EP800 (I've experienced both). So IMO opinion they stumbled out of the gate with that product, and are probably trying hard not to duplicate that experience for their customers.

However I must say, whatever problems we might have had with the original EP800's, we could not have asked for a better response from a company than what we got from Axiom. They went far above and beyond what I ever would have dreamed they would do to make sure we were satisfied with our product. Trust me when I say, if you chose to go with Axiom, you are chosing a company that is as dedicated to their customers as there has ever been on the face of this earth!

They simply will not stop trying until you are happy! ;\)
Posted by: jhunt17

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 10:19 AM

 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
 Originally Posted By: EFalardeau
Axiom cannot be held responsible for not answering questions they were not asked.


Perfectly said! \:\)

This statement is ridiculous. So according to you it isn't the responsibility of the company to let its customers know what is going on. It is up to the customer to call and ask. I wouldn't be a customer very long if I was blown off that easily. Not to mention they would be the first people to know if there was going to be a delay and prepare for the issue. In other words notifying people that it would affect. Now having said that my dealings with axiom over the years has been, for most part, excellent. I really enjoy my speakers and the forum has been a great source of help and information, but if there is an obvious delay they have definitely dropped the ball on this one. I was one of the pre-orders and I was expecting to see my shipping notice. I have already moved my vp150 into another room. So not getting a notification or at least an email explaining the issue is not acceptable in my opinion.
Posted by: EFalardeau

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 10:24 AM

You are confusing two issues: communication with people that have already ordered and (your issue)and request for information about a product that Axiom has choosen not to broadcast its existence as of yet (the OP issue).

YES, an email to those waiting for an ordered product would have been the right thing to do(are we missing Amie or what!). Reading posts properly is also a good thing to do... ;\)
Posted by: jhunt17

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 10:36 AM

Wait whad I miss??? OHHH! MY BAD. I just saw that statement and figured he was talking about the latter. My bad. Either way, it is axiom's responsibility to notify its customers if there is an issue.
Posted by: Pitbull24

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 10:43 AM

Wow, Axiom must make great products for so many to be this passionate about getting their hands on a new center channel! It's all Steve's fault; shame on you for sharing all the great news about the vp180. I'm sure it's coming guys, relax a bit. How do you think a newbie to Axiom will read into some of these discussions?
Posted by: jhunt17

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 11:02 AM

AND YES!!! I am excited to get my hands on the new center! Getting time to play with it will be difficult since I have a son who will be turning 2 next month takes a nap at 11 to 1 everyday. Can't wait to see the difference. On the other hand I was surprised how well just using the 60's without a center works.
Posted by: grunt

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 01:27 PM

 Originally Posted By: EFalardeau

Forums can be a great help, but Axiom cannot be held responsible for not answering questions they were not asked.


They are being held responsible in the court of public opinion regardless of what logic might dictate. That was the reason I had suggested using the “Notify” button to alert Axiom to issues they might want to know about like the EP500 amp pictures. In the nature of internet forums once a meme gets started it can go wild. Just look at the numerous bogus opinions many people have about Axiom speakers spread because small numbers of people started saying something that just keeps getting repeated by others. I can’t count how many times I’ve read - "I don’t own Axioms but they say Axioms are bright,” “M80s are hard to drive,” etc. . . .

All it takes is one passionate person to start posting negative comments in certain internet forums and pretty soon it’s the new truth getting endlessly repeated by people who want others to think they are experts. Since Axiom doesn’t have a heavy presence in other forums there are few people out there to quell rumors once started. While it certainly won’t put Axiom out of business it cant’ help but have a negative impact.

 Originally Posted By: Solarrdadd

i would be tired if everyone kept calling about the same thing, that's why you put out an official notice so that everyone can have the same information at the same time. of course this will never stop phone calls, nor should it but it would help. we all just want to know something and like i said, only the company can answer that. isn't that part of what this forum is for? i'm surprised Axiom isn't utilizing it's own forum to that end.


Axiom unlike most other ID companies is very “hands off” with it’s forum. I have never seen it moderated unless by request from an OP, they virtually never discuss pre-release products (usually only to have a naming contest) and except for the “Hearing Things” subforum seldom use it as a marketing tool.

As pointed out by others this initial preorder was only directed at existing Axiom owners. The first time I’ve noticed this being done. This is relatively new territory for Axiom so it doesn’t hurt for others to “throw them a bone” too. OTOH I said what I did about them making an announcement because a situation reaches a point where they do need to take control of the information flow or possibly suffer negative “press” especially due to comparisons with other companies, one in particular, which have given preorders a bad name.

Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 02:35 PM

So, to summarize;

1. The VP180 has not yet been publicly announced, nor (AFAIK) is there any expectation of doing so until the end of June.

2. Existing owners were sent private emails giving them a heads-up about the new product, and offered a chance to pre-order with shipments starting May 31.

3. Some of us pre-ordered (I did).

4. In our enthusiasm, a bunch of us blabbed about the private owners-club email and its content on the public forums. It's probably fair to say that this was not part of Axiom's plans.

5. Rather than starting to ship on May 31 as originally planned, it now appears that shipments will start a week or so later. Personally, I see this as a non-issue - I wasn't told that *my* order would ship on May 31 anyways (my expectation was that it would ship some time between May 31 and the end of June), so I don't see any reason why this should be considered any kind of problem. Opinions may vary on this.

Bottom line here is that if there is a public aspect to the timing of initial VP180 shipments it is (IMO) our own damn fault for blabbing on a public forum about the advance information we were given in a private email. I'm as guilty of that as anyone, of course ;\)
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 02:41 PM

While I agree that this gives them a loophole, it's not like it's anything new for the Owner's Club info to be posted on the forum. It's not the first time. Personally, I'm not upset or disappointed by the slight delay, but that's probably just because I didn't pre-order. I know when I order stuff the waiting game kills me, and that's why I never bother with the Factory Outlet. I suppose I should consider myself lucky that my system is in Boston Cherry now that the lighter stock finishes have a 10 day lead time.
Posted by: PTPlayers

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 02:48 PM

I just received a call from Axiom asking me if i was going to bi wire my VP-180 or not .

So i guess they are close to shipping .
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 02:48 PM

 Originally Posted By: bridgman
I'm as guilty of that as anyone, of course ;\)

My own personal opinion? This whole thing is Bridgman's fault.
Posted by: Lorenzo1000

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 02:48 PM

Well in the interest of blabbing as Bridgman had previously mentioned here I just received a call from Brent at Axiom asking if I planned on bi-wiring my VP180(which I'm not btw) which will affect which connectors they put on the speaker. Apparently they have received the crossover parts and hope to start shipping next Tuesday or Wednesday.

Blabbing aside, it's nice that Axiom calls individually to ask these questions and answer our questions.
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 02:50 PM

 Quote:
While I agree that this gives them a loophole, it's not like it's anything new for the Owner's Club info to be posted on the forum. It's not the first time.


I agree - it's obvious we can't be trusted - but I still have a problem with claims that Axiom has a responsibility to communicate updates to the public about something that they never announced to the public in the first place, just because *we* leaked it.
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 02:51 PM

So these people took a leak.... and then ran with it?
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 02:52 PM

OK, I admit it, I got a call from Brent as well.
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 02:52 PM

 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
So these people took a leak.... and then ran with it?


Wouldn't that tend to get your feet wet?
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 02:53 PM

As long as it's only *his* feet I can live with that.
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 03:42 PM

I got the call as well. I am not really sure what to do. I wasn't planning on bi-wiring or bi-amping for now but one day who knows. Are most of you waiting for the VP180s with bi-amping or don't really care? Does anybody here ever noticed any improvement by bi-wiring or bi-amping? Is it worth it to wait the extra week for it?
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 03:47 PM

I wouldn't bother with it.
Posted by: Wid

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 03:53 PM


I would add the biwire capability just for resale purposes. Some folks just expect it.
Posted by: Murph

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 03:55 PM

I would not wait for it as I would never use it.
Posted by: jakewash

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 03:56 PM

I would wait even though I would never use it only because it is supposed to be the same as an M80.
Posted by: Wid

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 04:00 PM


Why would there be any longer wait? I wouldn't think there would be.
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 04:13 PM

The ones without will be shipped around the 8, the ones with around the 15. I guess they are waiting for an extra part.
Posted by: Murph

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 04:19 PM

/pictures a pair of binding posts in a petri dish merging together only to emerge as two pairs.
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 05:04 PM

I said that I wasn't interested in bi-wiring. I don't believe in it anyways ;\)
Posted by: jhunt17

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 05:17 PM

I was swimming when I got my call and missed it. I only realized it when I saw the number was from Kanuck land. So I wasn't able to talk to them, but I would say that I would never bi-wire it, but if its supposed to be there it should be. So is the 8th and 15th what they told you bdpf? I hope it will be sooner because I am headed to the beach right about then. I'd hate to have to have someone pick it up for me.
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 05:21 PM

It's OK. I don't mind.
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 05:59 PM

You could pick up that briefcase on the way to Axiom.
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 09:37 PM

Brent said that they are EXPECTING to ship the first VP180s around Tuesday or Wednesday (8th or 9th) but if I wanted the bi-amping option it would delay one extra week(ie 15th).
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 09:38 PM

Anybody ever tried bi-wiring or bi-amping? did you noticed a difference?
Posted by: JohnK

Re: VP180 - 06/02/10 09:53 PM

Bruno, skip the bi-wiring terminals, which make no audibly significant electrical difference. If you want to keep alive the possibility of later selling it(as has been mentioned)to some deluded soul who thinks that bi-wiring is magical, then wait the extra time.
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 06/03/10 12:16 AM

Thanks John.
Posted by: HTGEEK

Re: VP180 - 06/03/10 09:20 AM

I figured I would throw in my opinion on the current VP-180 "situation".

When I first read about the center channel, I was PUMPED. I was in the middle of doing some upgrading and decided that I would set aside some of my $$ for this sucker. It is a good thing that the information "leaked" because I would have spent my whole budget and wouldn't be able to get one of these in the next month or so.

I have been dealing with Axiom for over six years after I purchased my first system blindly and have been treated like royalty the whole time. Recently I was torn between which type of inwall speaker to get and I had convinced myself I needed two pairs of M22's. When I talked to Brent he talked me out of getting two pairs and I just went with one pair of M22's and one pair of M2's. That is the kind of service that keeps me loyal to this company.

When I called an inquired about the VP180, I was told it should be ready to ship around the 5/31. We shouldn't be getting upset over a minor delay in shipping of a new product. I am just pumped to be getting one of these in the next month! \:\)

Have a great day!
Posted by: jhunt17

Re: VP180 - 06/03/10 09:55 AM

I don't think anyone was upset about the delay itself, just that people weren't notified about it. Having said that, we were notified with the phone call just a day after they were supposed to ship so once again they were on top of it. I'll probably call back to tell them I don't care about the bi-wire option so I can get my new toy!
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 06/04/10 01:33 AM

I know a lot of you are very excited (and should be), but Axiom never did say you would have the speaker on the 31st. To be fair, I waited almost 5 months for mine, and I think another week or two of waiting (just to make sure everything is perfect) is really not too much to ask. It's just my opinion however, and I know a lot of you guys are chomping at the bit. Just hang in there, it will be worth the wait.
Posted by: jhunt17

Re: VP180 - 06/06/10 08:42 PM

So now that you have had yours for a while how much of a difference have you noticed between it and the 150?
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 06/07/10 06:44 AM

It's a night and day difference. The 180 blends in far better with the M80s than the 150 ever could. I also have the 180 turned down about 1.5db from my mains, whereas I needed to turn the 150 up about 1.5db. It's a much fuller sound.
Posted by: fredk

Re: VP180 - 06/07/10 06:46 PM

 Quote:
It's a night and day difference the same. The 180 blends in far better with the M80s than just like the 150 ever could.

There, fixed. Now Stop that dammit, I don't need another speaker!!
Posted by: gianquittia

Re: VP180 - 06/07/10 08:44 PM

I just called and upgraded to VP180. I have had the VP150 for about 40 days. Luckily axiom is giving me full purchase value for the 150. Is anyone going to use the VP180s with M60s. I have M60s. Just curious.
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 06/07/10 09:10 PM

Speaking of the VP180, I had an uncontrollable urge to dust the speakers today, with special emphasis on the center channel shelf ... weird.


Posted by: jakewash

Re: VP180 - 06/08/10 12:16 PM

So how does the VP180 sound Rick or have you not received it yet.
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 06/08/10 02:20 PM

 Originally Posted By: RickF
Speaking of the VP180, I had an uncontrollable urge to dust the speakers today, with special emphasis on the center channel shelf ... weird.



Don't forget the PS3. It is probably white by now. ;\)
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 06/08/10 07:04 PM

 Originally Posted By: jakewash
So how does the VP180 sound Rick or have you not received it yet.


Not yet Jay, I'm thinking it may ship sometime this week ... I'm just preparing.
Posted by: jakewash

Re: VP180 - 06/09/10 11:44 AM

I was hoping you were the second person to get one and being coy about it.
Posted by: radtek2

Re: VP180 - 06/09/10 02:18 PM

I heard today from JC that my VP180 with single binding posts will ship on 15th, those with dual pair posts will be a week later. "Sigh"
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 06/09/10 10:26 PM

It looks like slowly slowly we're getting pushed towards the official release date of June 1st
Patience... patience... patience...
Posted by: jakewash

Re: VP180 - 06/10/10 02:26 AM

 Originally Posted By: bdpf
It looks like slowly slowly we're getting pushed towards the official release date of June 1st
What date is it where you are from? ;\)
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 06/10/10 09:57 AM

LOL \:D
Back to the future's date ;\)
Posted by: patwho

Re: VP180 - 06/15/10 03:59 PM

Hello i emailed Noreen today. She said that the vp180's should be shipping this thurs or fri. Has anbody heard diffent? thanks
Posted by: Nachosgrande

Re: VP180 - 06/16/10 03:04 PM

Hey, how do I get one of these? Do I need the secret password? I nver get these owners club offers....(sigh)

Here's my setup: VP150 above 60" TV, M22 L/R, QS8 SUR, EP500

Approx 10 feet from L/R/C.

Is the VP180 an option for me? Or is it meant to pair up with the M80?
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 06/16/10 05:46 PM

 Originally Posted By: Nachosgrande
Hey, how do I get one of these? Do I need the secret password? I nver get these owners club offers....(sigh)

Here's my setup: VP150 above 60" TV, M22 L/R, QS8 SUR, EP500

Approx 10 feet from L/R/C.

Is the VP180 an option for me? Or is it meant to pair up with the M80?


Call this number 1-866-244-8796. Tell them that you want to purchase the VP180.
Posted by: Larry7995

Re: VP180 - 06/16/10 09:27 PM

I'd get one if I were you. I am going to get one too. I have M80s but I would recommend it with M60s as well. Its big! It will just barely fit on my middle shelf of my tv stand. I am going to order one in rosewood natural satin just as soon as I pay off my last $100 to Bill Me Later that I used for a pair of QS8s. Also remember the VP-180 is 4 ohm so be sure your amp or receiver does 4 ohm loads. I will use the center channel pre-out from my Yamaha receiver into an Outlaw monoblock to power mine.
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 08:48 AM

 Originally Posted By: Larry7995
I'd get one if I were you. I am going to get one too. I have M80s but I would recommend it with M60s as well. Its big! It will just barely fit on my middle shelf of my tv stand. I am going to order one in rosewood natural satin just as soon as I pay off my last $100 to Bill Me Later that I used for a pair of QS8s. Also remember the VP-180 is 4 ohm so be sure your amp or receiver does 4 ohm loads. I will use the center channel pre-out from my Yamaha receiver into an Outlaw monoblock to power mine.


you are right about all of those things larry. the space i have for the center will have about 1/4" on each side if i'm lucky, i've got exactly 40" end to end so i believe that i was meant to have this center! My center and the M80's will be powered by my Emotiva XPA-5 amp which is 4 ohm rated with plenty of juice! I am going to order the VP180 & a pair of M80's to go with it. the way things appear to be moving i expect i'll be able to place my order by either the end of this month or early next month. someone over at blu-ray.com in the axiom forum said he got his email from axiom that his center had shipped and that's good news for all of those waiting to either hear the status of their orders or are waiting to be able to place and order for this much sought after center!
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 09:55 AM

My "golden email" from Noreen arrived yesterday afternoon.
Posted by: medic8r

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 10:07 AM

Woohoo!
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 10:12 AM

well, for all of you lucky folks who got in early and got your shipping confirmations, we expect updates, reviews and of course pictures!

Oh yeah, congrats to all the early adopters!
Posted by: Lorenzo1000

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 10:59 AM

 Originally Posted By: bridgman
My "golden email" from Noreen arrived yesterday afternoon.


Me too!
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 11:11 AM

 Originally Posted By: solarrdadd
I am going to order the VP180 & a pair of M80's to go with it.

I this is a wise choice ;\) I am sure you'll be extremely happy with this setup.

I also received the confirmation yesterday. Mine should be here by the end of the day. My only disappointment is that I won't be home this weekend so I won't be able to play that much with it
Posted by: dllewel

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 11:15 AM

I really wanted to get one of these, but just can't make it happen right now. I suspect I'll get one eventually but it will be a difficult wait. Always is when it comes to Axiom speakers. \:\)
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 11:29 AM

Dave, you have such a beautiful HT now it almost seems a sin to change anything, even for a VP180 ;\)

re: my order, looks like I "missed it by *that* much".

I was working from home this morning because the accessory belt on my Magnum disintegrated on the way home yesterday. The battery kept the ignition & fuel pump running long enough to get me home but I wanted to get a good charge into it before heading into the dealer for repairs.

Yes the steering was a bit heavy ;\)

Knock on the door came while I was on a call; by the time I was able to disengage from the call and get to the front door all I saw was the back end of a Purolator truck pulling onto the road.

Oh well. Available for pickup after 6, assuming I have a car by then.
Posted by: dllewel

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 11:35 AM

Thank you John. I'm sorry to hear about your car trouble, but even more sorry that you missed the delivery truck by *that* much. If you want to scream without making a fuss, try the cone of silence. \:\)
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 11:39 AM

(cups hand to ear) What ?
Posted by: Nachosgrande

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 02:41 PM

Very interesting...is this Axiom's answer to the "Bigfoot" center channel that is offered by another manufacturer?
Posted by: grunt

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 02:51 PM

 Originally Posted By: Nachosgrande
Very interesting...is this Axiom's answer to the "Bigfoot" center channel that is offered by another manufacturer?


It’s Axiom’s answer to the calls from many of us that the previous lineup (VP100, VP150) were inadequate compared to the M80s. Specifically the project was started in response to a request from Steve to have one custom built. So it’s a project driven by customer demand rather than sales.

Though I do believe Alex (may be someone else) has said for years that Axiom should make a center like the “Bigfoot” and that AV123 should make a surround like the QS8.
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 03:23 PM

 Originally Posted By: bridgman
Dave, you have such a beautiful HT now it almost seems a sin to change anything, even for a VP180 ;\)

re: my order, looks like I "missed it by *that* much".

I was working from home this morning because the accessory belt on my Magnum disintegrated on the way home yesterday. The battery kept the ignition & fuel pump running long enough to get me home but I wanted to get a good charge into it before heading into the dealer for repairs.

Yes the steering was a bit heavy ;\)

Knock on the door came while I was on a call; by the time I was able to disengage from the call and get to the front door all I saw was the back end of a Purolator truck pulling onto the road.

Oh well. Available for pickup after 6, assuming I have a car by then.


there is no way i would have missed that delivery, and you were at home, come on man!?! that just doesn't look good. i don't care who i would have been talking to, i would have dropped that phone or said hold on or just taken the phone to the door but i wouldn't have missed that delivery. Or I would never have told you all that i did ;\) I'd hang up on my mom to have gotten that delivery and i love my mom! she would have been mad, but, once she saw and heard that center she would understand! ;\)
Posted by: patwho

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 04:07 PM

Hello I just recieved the mail.wohoo
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 04:10 PM

Did it read something like this: 'Axiom Order Shipped'?

\:\)

Posted by: patwho

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 04:45 PM

Yes it did, what a great email!!!!
Posted by: kmcalvano

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 05:25 PM

I just received my shipping confirmation today! I'm so excited I feel like I could cry.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 07:28 PM

Good news! My wife said my VP180 arrived today! \:\)

Bad news! Working late so won't be able to get to it until tomorrow. \:\(

Oh the cruelty...
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 07:39 PM

So... no one with one of the production VP180s has opened the box, eh?
Posted by: SirQuack

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 08:52 PM

There does seem to be a pattern.
Posted by: PTPlayers

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 09:58 PM

Received my 180 today , this this as advertised is massive .

Love the magnetic grille .
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 11:07 PM

 Originally Posted By: htnut
Good news! My wife said my VP180 arrived today! \:\)

Bad news! Working late so won't be able to get to it until tomorrow. \:\(

Oh the cruelty...

You're in Richmond Hill and got yours! Men I'm jealous, I'm in Stouffville and from the tracking number, mine was in Pickering at 8.30 am and is STILL in Pickering! What a F%%% is Purlator doing?
This only thing I could figure out is that they saw that it was an Axiom speaker and decided to audition it themselves first, that's the only logical explanation so I'll probably get it tomorrow
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/17/10 11:37 PM

 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
So... no one with one of the production VP180s has opened the box, eh?


or has a working camera, or have hooked it up into their systems yet!
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 01:16 AM

 Originally Posted By: bdpf
I'm in Stouffville and from the tracking number, mine was in Pickering at 8.30 am and is STILL in Pickering! What a F%%% is Purlator doing?

That's Pickering, Idaho. Patience, grasshopper.

And yes, I'm just yanking your chain ;\)

 Originally Posted By: solarrdadd
or has a working camera, or have hooked it up into their systems yet!

I imagine everyone is frantically cleaning up and dusting their HT area so that they can post pictures without looking like slovenly pigs (as opposed to normal pigs, who have very tidy home theaters). Or maybe it's just me...

Actually by the time I got my car back from the dealer the local Purolator depot had closed, so I guess I'm picking up tomorrow. And my tooth still hurts like *(&^%(*&^*(&%*(!!!
Posted by: radtek2

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 02:46 AM

Axiom order has shipped! What sweet news, now the second wait, delivery. ;\)
Posted by: onn

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 07:23 AM

Still waiting for an e-mail ::sigh::
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 08:23 AM

 Originally Posted By: PTPlayers
Received my 180 today , this this as advertised is massive .

Love the magnetic grille .


Now I get to be jealous! Still waiting for my grille (I hope the magnets are installed in my speaker!) ;\)

I'm very excited for all of you!!! Believe me, it was a long wait for me too because I am very anxious to hear all of your opinions of this speaker. Please post your impressions as soon as you can.
Posted by: PTPlayers

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 08:32 AM

 Originally Posted By: bdpf
 Originally Posted By: htnut
Good news! My wife said my VP180 arrived today! \:\)

Bad news! Working late so won't be able to get to it until tomorrow. \:\(

Oh the cruelty...

You're in Richmond Hill and got yours! Men I'm jealous, I'm in Stouffville and from the tracking number, mine was in Pickering at 8.30 am and is STILL in Pickering! What a F%%% is Purlator doing?
This only thing I could figure out is that they saw that it was an Axiom speaker and decided to audition it themselves first, that's the only logical explanation so I'll probably get it tomorrow


Well hopefully they wont just leave yours on you front door step with no signature like they did mine .

It sat out there for two hours until i asked my daughter when she got up to bring it in.
Posted by: jhunt17

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 08:50 AM

You guys think you got it bad. I'm on vacation and my 180 will be home tuesday and I won't get there till next sunday or monday!
Posted by: PTPlayers

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 09:53 AM


Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 09:57 AM

Whats with the white dust cap? Not a fan of the look of the new drivers. I like the contrast of the black and white better.
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 10:13 AM

Not a fan neither. Specially for the people that already have M80s V2, the look will be different, so now the wife will complain
From the pictures that Steve had posted, I was under the impression that the drivers looked the same as the M80s.
I guess this will be the look of the M80s V3.
Posted by: EFalardeau

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 10:24 AM

Someone from Axiom (probably Ian) has recently posted that they were now able to have all-whites drivers. I admit prefering the old look, but with the grills you should not see them.
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 10:26 AM

You are correct bdpf. The picture of SRoodes VP180 has the traditional drivers. I agree this is a major missstep if it was not disclosed upfront about the driver change for those that purchased these.
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 10:31 AM

I know for sure that the wife will be bothered by that. And yes, as far as I know, this info was not disclosed. Now what will be interesting is to know how much will Axiom give me for my 5 months old V2s once the V3s come out. But it still bothers me to upgrade just for looks. We'll see.
BTW, I like to keep the grills off.
Posted by: bluray

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 10:34 AM

My natural cherry (semigloss, charcoal, chrome) VP180 is scheduled for arrival on Wednesday, 6/23. Will I be the first possessor of a VaSSallo one?!

This will go with my HGC M80s as well as M22 rears and an EP800. The rears and sub are in the natural cherry. When the V3 M80s are released I will trade in my HGC V2s for natural cherry V3s to achieve a a matched set!
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 10:35 AM

You also have to take into consideration if you were planning on having the grilles off the VP180 it will still look different from the other speakers because it does not have any grill mounting holes - it looks like they now have changed to magnets so the VP180 will not perfectly match aesthetically to your older speakers.
Posted by: bluray

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 10:37 AM

I will add that I'm not concerned about the driver color match, but I'm a grill on guy having kids as I do.
Posted by: PTPlayers

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 10:54 AM

I think i will be leaving the grilles on since every thing i have is black .
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 11:03 AM

The thing is if they do make the color change switch with the drivers to all models any any past promotional articles or reviews in the past decade (any form of marketing really) with pictures on the internet are less relevant (which is quite substantial) . For a ID company, internet based research is the most important source of information for consumers. Any past reviews with pictures are no longer accurate and will provide misinformation to potential consumers as well as a level of confusion regarding purchasing.

It is quite a blunder from a marketing standpoint IMO to make such a change even at first glance it is something as small as this.
Posted by: cdot2four

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 11:05 AM

I couldn't careless about looks how does it sound?

I'm new by the way I've had my M80 v2 for about 2 months and love them.
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 11:11 AM

I don't think it's a blunder, per se, but I do agree that folks who already have black-capped Axioms will find it annoying. It looks shocking at first glance because we're so used to old look. For people who haven't been ogling Axiom speakers as long as we have, I think it might be a positive change.

Time will tell.
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 11:27 AM

I really like the new look. A lot. The old, contrasting dust caps always looked dated to me.

I disagree that "blunder" and "major misstep" are proportional responses.

Is there any factory provision for hanging this monster from chains or similar? Perhaps extra sturdy threaded holes at the corners or something?
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 11:58 AM

Forget what they look like (most use the grilles anyway)... What do you think of the sound PT?
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 12:17 PM

I really like the new drivers. BTW, what Axiom has told us on the CC is that the change is purely cosmetic. I had been imagining them as bowl drivers like the subs, but I like the poking out dustcap better.
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 12:23 PM

IMO, going a solid color would look better with the bowl drivers, but that's just me. Having a change in direction with the same color doesn't look right (again, just me, everyone has different tastes).

BUT, I'm still waiting for a review of the sound! \:\)
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 12:34 PM

 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
what Axiom has told us on the CC is that the change is purely cosmetic.


Which makes this change even more pointless IMO.
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 01:00 PM

Maybe someone likes the color! Imagine that, not everyone has the same taste as you!

To expand on that little knee jerk reaction, the single colored drivers has long been a request seen on these forums.
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 01:13 PM

 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
Maybe someone likes the color! Imagine that, not everyone has the same taste as you!


Exactly! It only acts to hurt current loyal owners if matching the equipment is important to them and they want to upgrade and it also adds a level of misinformation as well as confusion to any new customers that are researching their products online which is their main form of marketing. If there were sound quality improvements I could see rationalizing such a decision but if it is based solely on cosmetics not everyone is going to see it as an improvement anyways especially individuals that currently own product and want to upgrade. When you have over a decade of marketing behind an entire lineup of speakers and it no longer reflects it from a aesthetic standpoint it puts into question how relevant all the marketing is behind the product currently which is being sold today.

I see this as more cost/benefit analysis than anything else. And the costs involved outweigh the benefits IMO.
Posted by: Lorenzo1000

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 01:14 PM

well...I like the new single colour drivers but I'm Canadian and I spell color colour so......ummm....there!!!

And the Purolator drive just dropped a big box off...
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 01:22 PM

GREAT! HOW DO THEY SOUND!!!!
Posted by: Vanorge

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 01:41 PM

i just saw a pic of a buddy who recieved his VP180.. i love the look of the driver. i personally think they should change all the drivers.

i have the M60,VP150,QS8's and EP500, so i can relate to how some folks might feel. I personaly don't like the way my set looks with the grills off, i think someone said it... they do look dated! but then again i didn't buy them for the looks. but for some folks it could be an issue! i've read hear and there some folks just don't like the way they look. granted bad move for them, but it would also be a bad move for axiom to not modernize a bit.

for the future axiom owners if all the drivers look like the vp180's good for them. it's icing on the cake, they'll have performance and looks, not to mention i think it will attract some folks. for instance i love my EP500's performance and the look of the driver, it's seeexxxy. if i had the look of the drivers of the VP180 or my EP500 on my set i honestly think i would leave the grills off, they just look really cool.
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 01:54 PM

This is just my opinion having asked Axiom to be gracious enough to build one of these for me. My intent was to have a speaker that "matched" my M80s. My original intent was of course to match them sonically, not knowing that a change in colo(u)r was in the works. If I wanted I true match, I would expect the same colo(u)r scheme.

My wife asked me if I would be upset if mine looked like the released ones. I said I would initially, until I heard it, then it would not bother me as much, but still probably bother me a little. I'm a very anal electrical engineer, so even with the grilles on I would know they did not "match".

Again, several people here have had them for quite a bit now... Any opinions on the sound?
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 02:02 PM

 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
Exactly! It only acts to hurt current loyal owners if matching the equipment is important to them and they want to upgrade

I think Axiom made this change in response to feedback -- much of which probably came from the customer survey they conducted last year, from existing customers. Matching is a valid concern, though, and I have a feeling Axiom will be responsive to this and allow a choice of driver styles to those wishing to match existing speakers.

 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
it also adds a level of misinformation as well as confusion to any new customers that are researching their products online which is their main form of marketing.

Here I completely disagree with you. How can Axiom changing a product's appearance be construed as misinformation? They are not in direct control of review sites. If a company is overly concerned about having their current line-up match existing information about their older products, then they'd never change a thing and would stagnate.

The wonderful thing about selling speakers online is that customers must come to your website to buy them (unless they're buying used from a 3d party). I'm sure Axiom will update its product pictures to reflect the new driver style once the other lines are updated to v3. (Notice that the VP180 does not yet have its own product page.) I'm also sure various audio sites will take note of the apparently controversial change.
Posted by: onn

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 02:05 PM

There should have been an option for new or old dust caps. Having 10 speakers with 1 having a different colour would look weird to me. I do not use screens to cover my speakers
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 02:05 PM

Shoot, I actually prefer black dust caps in terms of looks, but also so that they match everytihng else. I know, I know, they all sound the same, but I'm anal that way \:\)

The thing is, I ordered all of my speakers at the same time. Had I known, I would've waited until Axiom converted the rest of their lineup.
Posted by: Vanorge

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 02:15 PM

putting myself in your shoes it would urk me aswell. that would be really something if you could upgrade your drivers someway.

cause really when you show off your speakers whats the first thing you do. you take the grills off!!! lol. they're going to point at your center and be like " what kind of speaker is that?" lol

not laughing at you, just think it's funny :0)
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 02:19 PM

Perhaps, initially, Axiom will offer the choice of drivers/caps. As others have said, I would prefer to have the centre speakers look the same as my mains but let's see what Axiom's response is first.

BTW, someone who has the new centre needs to post their impressions soon....I can tell Steve is getting close to the edge.... ;\)
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 02:24 PM

I'm waiting for orange drivers to match my walls.
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 02:25 PM

Close? CLOSE?!!?? I've tried very hard to be quiet for almost 2 months now so as not to "rub it in", just giving my impresions of the sonic response when asked...

Now people have them, and no reviews? UGH!

\:\)
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 02:27 PM

Orange? you never know...there's yellow(kevlar) and copper coloured drivers on the market.
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 02:27 PM

Copper would be good.
Posted by: Vanorge

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 02:29 PM

 Originally Posted By: CatBrat
I'm waiting for orange drivers to match my walls.


LOL... what about the cabinets?
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 02:34 PM

 Originally Posted By: pmbuko
 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
Exactly! It only acts to hurt current loyal owners if matching the equipment is important to them and they want to upgrade

I think Axiom made this change in response to feedback -- much of which probably came from the customer survey they conducted last year, from existing customers. Matching is a valid concern, though, and I have a feeling Axiom will be responsive to this and allow a choice of driver styles to those wishing to match existing speakers.

 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
it also adds a level of misinformation as well as confusion to any new customers that are researching their products online which is their main form of marketing.

Here I completely disagree with you. How can Axiom changing a product's appearance be construed as misinformation? They are not in direct control of review sites. If a company is overly concerned about having their current line-up match existing information about their older products, then they'd never change a thing and would stagnate.

The wonderful thing about selling speakers online is that customers must come to your website to buy them (unless they're buying used from a 3d party). I'm sure Axiom will update its product pictures to reflect the new driver style once the other lines are updated to v3. (Notice that the VP180 does not yet have its own product page.) I'm also sure various audio sites will take note of the apparently controversial change.


Well of course they are not in control except for what they send out for review and their online advertisements. However, a small noticeable change such as this will conflict with a decade of internet marketing and when one does research the first hits bring up all older reviews. Its noticeable and it changes the look of the speaker and if there is no improvement on sound quality I can't rationalize the change since "looks" are ultimately subjective. A new consumer looking for speakers not familiar with Axiom how will they interpret pictures that conflict from their own research and that which is present on their website.

If these changes indeed happen and if they are in place, I personally think any advertisements they currently use like that beautiful picture of the dual EP500's, M80's and VP150 construe as false advertising.
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 02:37 PM

 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
If these changes indeed happen and if they are in place, I personally think any advertisements they currently use like that beautiful picture of the dual EP500's, M80's and VP150 construe as false advertising.

This is so far out in left field that I honestly don't know if you're being serious.
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 02:44 PM

If those changes are made to all the models like the VP150, M80 etc..., then yes.
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 02:52 PM

So, your contention is that if any company changes the appearance of its products, old advertisements constitute false advertising.

You live in the UK, don't you?
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 02:55 PM

 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
So, your contention is that if any company changes the appearance of its products, old advertisements constitute false advertising.



In fact, yes. If they continue to use them after such change takes place.
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 03:07 PM

My wife just called me at work and mine is home \:D
1h54 min more to go...
I'm coming home baby (I'm talking about the speaker )
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 03:09 PM

Awesome! Make sure you don't tell Steve how it sounds. \:\)
Posted by: Ian

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 03:30 PM


All of our current production is now with the dust caps that match the cones and magnetic grilles. The web site will change some time next week to reflect this. The shear number of pictures that need to change all at once turned into an overwhelming job. We basically need to go from all pictures on the site having black dust caps and grille pins to all pictures on the site having aluminum dust caps and no grille pins; and it has to happen all at the same time. It is a massive undertaking.
Posted by: fredk

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 03:36 PM

 Originally Posted By: SRoode
Close? CLOSE?!!?? I've tried very hard to be quiet for almost 2 months now so as not to "rub it in", just giving my impresions of the sonic response when asked...

Now people have them, and no reviews? UGH!

\:\)

We hacked the site and filtered all the reviews out. Tomorrow we will replace all pictures with versions containing all white!

Sincerely,

The AWDF
Posted by: Vanorge

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 03:43 PM

GOOO AXIOM!!!! i think they are going to look beautifull.
Posted by: gianquittia

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 03:46 PM

I mostly care about how the speaker sounds, but that white on white color is UGLY.
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 03:52 PM

Well, it's not white, exactly. It's aluminium.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 03:53 PM

I think no dust cap would look even better than the white cap. That said, I don't care if the caps are black, white, or none, as long as they all match.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 03:54 PM

 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
Well, it's not white, exactly. It's aluminium.


Yeah, but white is easier to type than aluminum.

...unless you type Al for aluminum \:\)
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 04:00 PM

So, change is "bad" then?

Dang. I ALWAYS get that wrong.
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 04:07 PM

 Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
So, change is "bad" then?



It depends.

I have always wondered what the reaction would be if Sony changed the MDR 7506/v6 studio monitor headphones from black to white?
Posted by: Vanorge

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 04:09 PM

once again i think going with this new desing is a great idea. it looks modern and it will attract new customers. to me with the black dust caps it almost looks no different than a SONY speaker!!! and i don't want to offend sony or it's fans. i have sony stuff. just saying it's nice to see looks being matched with performance.

check out other mid level high end speakers. they all have an interesting look not a dated one. and to a regular consumer it going to equate to better.
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 04:16 PM

I have always wondered what the reaction would be if Ford only ever sold the Model T.
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 04:18 PM

They sure would be easier to work on.
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 04:19 PM

 Originally Posted By: pmbuko
I have always wondered what the reaction would be if Ford only ever sold the Model T.


Well, if you are a branching out to an entirely new product or product line, that's much different.
Posted by: grunt

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 04:30 PM

 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
Whats with the white dust cap? Not a fan of the look of the new drivers. I like the contrast of the black and white better.



Have to agree with the good Dr. that I don’t care for the new look.

When I first started catching up with this thread I didn’t understand what was up because I happen to like the look of all aluminum drivers (the ones that are completely concave) but when I saw the picture with that dimple in the middle it just looks silly. The contrast of the black dust cap looked much better if the cone surface isn’t going to be totally smooth.

My grills stay on unless I demo and someone wants to see what the drivers look like so as long as they sound the same I guess it doesn’t matter.
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 04:36 PM

while all this dust cap conversation is important and all i'm sure, i am still waiting to hear someone give their initial or full review of the center who has it. i would hope that one of those lucky few has already connected it up to their system, calibrated it and listened to and watched some movies, SACD's, LP's, CD's gaming or something by now and there would be a nice rush to let the rest of know what we might be in for!

maybe later tonight or over the weekend, that will happen.
Posted by: michael_d

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 04:53 PM

I think I prefer the look of the old drivers, but I keep my grill on....

Don't much care for all the drama and BS accusations though. The constant conspiracy rhetoric is making me eye ball that "ignore" button much closer than ever before.
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 04:56 PM

But.... How... Does... It.... Sound?????

\:\)
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 04:59 PM

What, you expect people to use their speakers? What kind of a monster are you?
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 05:00 PM

Problem solved. Paint them black.
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 05:04 PM

"I see a white cap and I want it painted black"....
Posted by: EFalardeau

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 05:05 PM

I LOVE the "ignore" button!
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 05:06 PM

I see a white cap and I want it painted black
Aluminum no more I want them to turn black...

Posted by: CatBrat

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 05:12 PM

A rolling stone gathers dental floss.
Posted by: Vanorge

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 05:51 PM














and for the grand finally!!!!
sony hitb speaker LOL look familiar?

Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 06:23 PM

I got you covered Ken ... since everybody seems to be engrossed with the color of the dust covers, I'll PM you my personal impression of how the speaker sounds with the rest of the system, whenever they arrive.

Ian, y'all can paint my dust covers florescent orange as far as I'm concerned ... just don't let 'em be cracked.
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 06:29 PM

I think you better pm Steve with your impressions first, Rick. I'm gettin' worried about him...
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 06:40 PM

Will do Adrian ... I'll set the PM to that multiple recipient setting.
Posted by: Vanorge

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 06:43 PM

 Originally Posted By: RickF
I got you covered Ken ... since everybody seems to be engrossed with the color of the dust covers, I'll PM you my personal impression of how the speaker sounds with the rest of the system, whenever they arrive.

Ian, y'all can paint my dust covers florescent orange as far as I'm concerned ... just don't let 'em be cracked.


i for one am not "engrossed" with anything. or else i wouldn't own the EPIC 60-500.

you guys seem to be a click here on this forum " i'll pm you" lol. i'll leave you to it. if anyone ever asks me about speakers i'll never hesitate to recommend axiom. no matter what they look like.

my only point has been that with the new look comes new customers. and its a great idea.

alot of people get turned off by the old look. and i can send a message to ian too.

blessings to you and your company. brace yourself for a great rest of the year and a stellar next one.
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 07:03 PM

wow, i'm waiting to hear from the fortunate few who got to order their centers first, receive them first now i'm reading that the info is gonna be pm'd to certain people about their thoughts of the speaker and how it sounds. and this is because some folks say they don't necessarily like the look of the new driver. this is terrible. i can't believe this is going on here. i thought this was supposed to be the axiom site where axiom folks got together and had a good time about, well, axiom. i guess i was mistaken.

i do hope someone else who is lucky enough to have gotten one of these, please post a review of the speaker, please and if it will help, please again.
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 07:08 PM

Guys lighten up ... I'm kidding.

I haven't received mine yet but when I do I'll certainly post my impressions here on the board.

That way we all get to be in the 'click'!
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 07:10 PM

How do we know you're not DOUBLE kidding Rick?
Posted by: Wid

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 07:10 PM


Freaking trouble maker. I can't believe no one has bought me a VP180, this chit is not fair.
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 07:14 PM

 Originally Posted By: solarrdadd
wow, i'm waiting to hear from the fortunate few who got to order their centers first, receive them first now i'm reading that the info is gonna be pm'd to certain people about their thoughts of the speaker and how it sounds. and this is because some folks say they don't necessarily like the look of the new driver. this is terrible. i can't believe this is going on here. i thought this was supposed to be the axiom site where axiom folks got together and had a good time about, well, axiom. i guess i was mistaken.

i do hope someone else who is lucky enough to have gotten one of these, please post a review of the speaker, please and if it will help, please again.


I'm under the impression RickF is just joking around about the whole PM thing.

As to opinions on the dust cap et al, well that is just life and if everyone agreed on every little matter discussions wouldn't be very productive and life would just get boring.

I think we can all agree that Axiom makes a terrific product and I expect nothing but great things about the VP180.
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 07:28 PM

 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
 Originally Posted By: solarrdadd
wow, i'm waiting to hear from the fortunate few who got to order their centers first, receive them first now i'm reading that the info is gonna be pm'd to certain people about their thoughts of the speaker and how it sounds. and this is because some folks say they don't necessarily like the look of the new driver. this is terrible. i can't believe this is going on here. i thought this was supposed to be the axiom site where axiom folks got together and had a good time about, well, axiom. i guess i was mistaken.

i do hope someone else who is lucky enough to have gotten one of these, please post a review of the speaker, please and if it will help, please again.


I'm under the impression RickF is just joking around about the whole PM thing.

As to opinions on the dust cap et al, well that is just life and if everyone agreed on every little matter discussions wouldn't be very productive and life would just get boring.

I think we can all agree that Axiom makes a terrific product and I expect nothing but great things about the VP180.


i have no doubt that they have made a good product in the vp180, just want to hear from some owners.

i am also fine about the color of the drivers on the vp180 too. at first i thought that it was going to look funny with the vp180 having one color drivers and the M80's (i'm gonna order those too) would have different color drivers.

axiom has spoke out that all their drivers will now have the same color and match (now that doesn't help folks who already own axioms and want them to match, i'm not sure what the company is going to do for them)so, since they (the three fronts i want) will match, it's no longer a deal for me.

the biggest and most important thing to me is how do those who have it like it. over the past 2 days i have seen here and over at other forums people who have received the speaker and as of yet, no one has given that first impression review; and no i don't count "it's nice and i like the way it sounds" as a first impression or a review! but that is the only thing i saw someone say about it and that was sad!

again, i'm hoping to hear something of substance and depth about the new flagship center over the coarse of the weekend. it will only help the sales and the desire to want one and to further add to the interest of potential new customers to the axiom family; like myself!
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 07:38 PM

i just read my first review over at blu-ray.com forum (which i am a proud member of) and while it's a first impression, it's a positive one!


http://forum.blu-ray.com/speakers/95875-official-axiom-speakers-thread-21.html#post3403296
Posted by: Lorenzo1000

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 07:38 PM

Moving on from the dust cap colour controversy...





So as for the speaker...this thing is LARGE...can you guess the size of my TV? It's also heavy and hurts when it slips out of your hands and hits you in the foot because you need to save it from hitting the floor...maybe they could put some inserted handles on the side like my Plasma has on the back...as for sound in my limited listening so far it seems to match up pretty well with the 80's and dialouge is crystal clear. Will do some music listening later on.

Very happy with the magnetic grill, the dustcap colour and the finish. Good job Axiom, another winner, winner, chicken dinner!!!
Posted by: FordPrefect

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 07:41 PM

I love the new look, but then again I think the new Camaro needs 2" sectioned out of it's beltline and 2" added to the roofline.

Back on topic HOW DOES IT SOUND? Anyone?
(I'm impressed, replying before I even posted)

and

Due to it's size are you having any problems fitting it into your home theatre?

As for me I'm still waiting for the VP160 \:\)
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 07:43 PM

 Originally Posted By: Lorenzo1000
Moving on from the dust cap colour controversy...





So as for the speaker...this thing is LARGE...can you guess the size of my TV? It's also heavy and hurts when it slips out of your hands and hits you in the foot because you need to save it from hitting the floor...maybe they could put some inserted handles on the side like my Plasma has on the back...as for sound in my limited listening so far it seems to match up pretty well with the 80's and dialouge is crystal clear. Will do some music listening later on.

Very happy with the magnetic grill, the dustcap colour and the finish. Good job Axiom, another winner, winner, chicken dinner!!!



great, the first review of one of the new owners on the axiom site, and another positive one. that thing looks great too. you are the second one that i have seen and they are both black, i'll gather that is a popular color the obvious answer is you all wanted to match existing black fronts!
glad to hear you like what you have heard so far and i/we awaite your musical first impression. one question, is the measurement of the speaker length actually 39.5" exactly and also, did yours ship in a M80 box like my friends did?
Posted by: Lorenzo1000

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 07:47 PM

M80 box and exactly 39.5 inches wide. It did come with a very nice glossy colour instruction manual, rubber feet and spikes.
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 07:49 PM

How many mounting holes are there on the bottom?
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 08:00 PM

 Originally Posted By: Lorenzo1000
M80 box and exactly 39.5 inches wide. It did come with a very nice glossy colour instruction manual, rubber feet and spikes.


thank you so much, again, it looks great, i can only imagine it's sound! hopefully, i about a month i'll have my own and a pair of M80's to match too!

I'll be driving mine with my emotiva XPA-5 amp @ 300wpc 4 ohms continuous via my 5507 pre-amp, what you have driving yours, do you think it's enough power or do you think you need more, i know they have a high sensitivity rating?(91+) I know that XPA-5 is plenty!
Posted by: Lorenzo1000

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 08:03 PM

 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
How many mounting holes are there on the bottom?


4 mounting holes on the bottom.
Posted by: Lorenzo1000

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 08:08 PM

 Originally Posted By: solarrdadd
 Originally Posted By: Lorenzo1000
M80 box and exactly 39.5 inches wide. It did come with a very nice glossy colour instruction manual, rubber feet and spikes.


thank you so much, again, it looks great, i can only imagine it's sound! hopefully, i about a month i'll have my own and a pair of M80's to match too!

I'll be driving mine with my emotiva XPA-5 amp @ 300wpc 4 ohms continuous via my 5507 pre-amp, what you have driving yours, do you think it's enough power or do you think you need more, i know they have a high sensitivity rating?(91+) I know that XPA-5 is plenty!


I am using an ATI 1506 in bridged mode(3 X 450 bridged) for the front 3 channels with my Denon 3808CI as a preamp. I'm sure your amp is plenty powerful for that setup.
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 08:09 PM

Bridged, with a 4 ohm load? That's one hell of an amp.
Posted by: Lorenzo1000

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 08:15 PM

 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
Bridged, with a 4 ohm load? That's one hell of an amp.



And that is 450 watts into 8 ohms. It's built like a tank.
Posted by: Wid

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 08:17 PM


I'm surprised there's not a warning on the amp using it in bridged mode with speakers less than 8ohm.
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 08:19 PM

 Originally Posted By: solarrdadd
 Originally Posted By: Lorenzo1000
M80 box and exactly 39.5 inches wide. It did come with a very nice glossy colour instruction manual, rubber feet and spikes.


thank you so much, again, it looks great, i can only imagine it's sound! hopefully, i about a month i'll have my own and a pair of M80's to match too!



I'm sure you will very pleased if you do purchase and the customer service and product support is among the best in the industry.
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 08:22 PM

 Originally Posted By: Lorenzo1000
 Originally Posted By: solarrdadd
 Originally Posted By: Lorenzo1000
M80 box and exactly 39.5 inches wide. It did come with a very nice glossy colour instruction manual, rubber feet and spikes.


thank you so much, again, it looks great, i can only imagine it's sound! hopefully, i about a month i'll have my own and a pair of M80's to match too!

I'll be driving mine with my emotiva XPA-5 amp @ 300wpc 4 ohms continuous via my 5507 pre-amp, what you have driving yours, do you think it's enough power or do you think you need more, i know they have a high sensitivity rating?(91+) I know that XPA-5 is plenty!


I am using an ATI 1506 in bridged mode(3 X 450 bridged) for the front 3 channels with my Denon 3808CI as a preamp. I'm sure your amp is plenty powerful for that setup.


WoW, 450wpc Good Lord, you are not one to do without power huh!?!
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 08:25 PM

OK, sorry to get this offtrack again... but what is the policy going to be regarding replacement drivers for the older versions?
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 08:32 PM

 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
OK, sorry to get this offtrack again... but what is the policy going to be regarding replacement drivers for the older versions?


no problem, i already put that question out there. i haven't heard anything so, guess we'll have to wait until we hear from axiom. perhaps for folks with registered (guessing that you can register or it is done for you at the time of purchase) gear that has the "older style/coloring" of the drivers they might just make a vp180 for them with the original drivers that would match what you have. that makes the most sense to me. it would only be offered to you if you have proof (via serial numbers or invoices) of prior purchases. everyone else, on everything else gets the new stuff.

what do you think of that? (just putting it out there)
Posted by: Lorenzo1000

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 08:41 PM

 Originally Posted By: wid

I'm surprised there's not a warning on the amp using it in bridged mode with speakers less than 8ohm.


Nothing in the manual for the amp...based on what has been said on here by Alan and Ian I'm sure the 80's and VP180 can handle it.
Posted by: Wid

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 08:45 PM


It's not the speakers I was referring to, they can handle the power. Normally most home audio amps that can be bridged do not recommend being bridged with a 4 ohm load.
Posted by: Lorenzo1000

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 08:55 PM

Well I've been using it like this for a few years and as I said nothing in the manual about it...the only warning in the manual is in regards to making sure your speakers can handle the output of the amp.
Posted by: Wid

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 08:56 PM


That's good news, sounds like one nice amp.
Posted by: jhunt17

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 09:50 PM

I like the look of the old drivers but oh well. For those who already have it. What do ya think compared to the 150? I gotta wait till next week to play with my 180.
Posted by: kmcalvano

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 10:48 PM

I'm going to jump on the aesthetics train here and say that I don't care which style I have as long as all of my speakers match. Being a grill off listener, I'm not going to lie, it matters to me. I'm hoping Axiom will give us existing customers a choice to change to the old drivers, or give us a 'deal' on the new all aluminum drivers for our other speakers. I for one would be willing to swap my drivers out with the new ones and be a happy camper, I kinda like the new ones.

How about it Axiom, how much $ for four bass and four midrange drivers? cheers.

Ps, I love you Axiom for making the VP 180!! \:\)
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 11:05 PM

I agree, I don't really care about which one I have as long as they're all the same. Either putting the old driver on the VP180 or the new one on the M80s will do as long as we get the opportunity to do one or the other.
I received mine today but I'm not home this weekend so it's still in the box. I have to wait until Sunday evening to play with my new toy . I also am curious to hear the first impression though.
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - 06/18/10 11:10 PM

i wonder if all the new speakers are going to use magnetic grills?


i have REALLY liked magnetic grills ever since i got my speakers for the bedroom, that happen to have them.

in my opinion makes the cabinet look 100X better.
Posted by: kmcalvano

Re: VP180 - 06/19/10 10:07 AM

I just spoke with Axiom and they said that they are discussing options on the old/new driver situation for us existing customers.
Posted by: SirQuack

Re: VP180 - 06/19/10 11:01 AM

yep, the customer counsel members have been blessed with this information, but since it is top secret they would have to kill me if I provided any info at this time. \:\)
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 06/19/10 02:02 PM

Seriously this has to be a tease... No reviews of the new speaker after more than a day?
Posted by: kmcalvano

Re: VP180 - 06/19/10 02:33 PM

I am left to believe that the fortunate souls who have received theirs are so enamored with the new speaker that they can't pull themselves away to share the news with us.
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/19/10 03:40 PM

 Originally Posted By: SRoode
Seriously this has to be a tease... No reviews of the new speaker after more than a day?


i agree, while there have been pictures uploaded by one person and a quick line or two, no serious reviews have been given, lots of grumbling about the color of the drivers, but no real reviews.

i am hopefull that the weekend still has another day to go and we will see a serious review or two before it's over. with more to come next week as more folks get their center and want to share with the rest of us what we have to look forward to.
Posted by: Larry7995

Re: VP180 - 06/19/10 05:20 PM

Once I figured out how expensive the rosewood model was ($1120), I decided my Boston Cherry system actually looks just fine ($695). Going to order mine in about a week or two.
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/19/10 05:32 PM

 Originally Posted By: Larry7995
Once I figured out how expensive the rosewood model was ($1120), I decided my Boston Cherry system actually looks just fine ($695). Going to order mine in about a week or two.


i don't want to get you wrong, are you saying that the boston cherry finish on the vp180 is $695 and the rosewood finish is $1120 or did i miss something?

sorry if i got it wrong, that's why i'm asking ;\)
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 06/19/10 05:38 PM

 Originally Posted By: solarrdadd
 Originally Posted By: Larry7995
Once I figured out how expensive the rosewood model was ($1120), I decided my Boston Cherry system actually looks just fine ($695). Going to order mine in about a week or two.


i don't want to get you wrong, are you saying that the boston cherry finish on the vp180 is $695 and the rosewood finish is $1120 or did i miss something?

sorry if i got it wrong, that's why i'm asking ;\)


That is exactly what he is saying. Axiom charges a heavy premium on the custom finishes so that is why you see such a price disparity between the rosewood finish and the stock vinyl finish (boston cherry).
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/19/10 06:43 PM

 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
 Originally Posted By: solarrdadd
 Originally Posted By: Larry7995
Once I figured out how expensive the rosewood model was ($1120), I decided my Boston Cherry system actually looks just fine ($695). Going to order mine in about a week or two.


i don't want to get you wrong, are you saying that the boston cherry finish on the vp180 is $695 and the rosewood finish is $1120 or did i miss something?

sorry if i got it wrong, that's why i'm asking ;\)


That is exactly what he is saying. Axiom charges a heavy premium on the custom finishes so that is why you see such a price disparity between the rosewood finish and the stock vinyl finish (boston cherry).


thanks, since there is no advertised vp180 on the site yet, i didn't have the benefit of knowing what the prices were, that's why i asked. I'll gather that the rosewood finish is more exotic and complex than the boston cherry?
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 06/19/10 07:04 PM

 Originally Posted By: solarrdadd
 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
 Originally Posted By: solarrdadd
 Originally Posted By: Larry7995
Once I figured out how expensive the rosewood model was ($1120), I decided my Boston Cherry system actually looks just fine ($695). Going to order mine in about a week or two.


i don't want to get you wrong, are you saying that the boston cherry finish on the vp180 is $695 and the rosewood finish is $1120 or did i miss something?

sorry if i got it wrong, that's why i'm asking ;\)


That is exactly what he is saying. Axiom charges a heavy premium on the custom finishes so that is why you see such a price disparity between the rosewood finish and the stock vinyl finish (boston cherry).


thanks, since there is no advertised vp180 on the site yet, i didn't have the benefit of knowing what the prices were, that's why i asked. I'll gather that the rosewood finish is more exotic and complex than the boston cherry?


Pretty much. My understanding of rosewood is that of a wood veneer finish.
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - 06/19/10 07:18 PM

The regular Boston Cherry is high-quality vinyl.

The Rosewood isn't JUST a real-wood veneer; it is a premium real-wood veneer costing more than other VaSSallo series finishes.

You should be able to get a pretty good idea about finish options and their costs by looking at the M80's under "Customize".
Posted by: michael_d

Re: VP180 - 06/19/10 07:25 PM

I think you pay a 20% premium for Rosewood. There is another 20% premium for a piano finish if you select that. Having bought Rosewood before and "attempted" my hand at piano finishing, I'm surprised they only charge a 20%.

For example, I just bought a 4' X 8' sheet of straight grain 20 mil cherry veneer for $65. The rosewood, in a lower grade than the cherry was $250. Those are my contractor rates with my supplier too.

A piano finish takes weeks to do properly. You finish sand with 600 grit then buff with a polishing pad. Apply stain, buff again, then coat with clear. Buff again, coat. Do this no less than 10 times, with at least 12 hours of dry time in between coats.

Probably more info than anyone wants, but now you have one more data point for formulating opinions......
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 06/19/10 07:42 PM

 Originally Posted By: michael_d
I think you pay a 20% premium for Rosewood. There is another 20% premium for a piano finish if you select that. Having bought Rosewood before and "attempted" my hand at piano finishing, I'm surprised they only charge a 20%.



I'm not sure that is accurate at least in the case of the VP180 example above.
Posted by: lleeds

Re: VP180 - 06/19/10 09:39 PM

The VP180 is up on the site, that is how I knew the price. I bought the Axiom speakers because I didn't have a pile of money but I wanted excellent sound and I am happy with Boston Cherry. I don't need the custom wood even though it is beautiful.
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 06/19/10 10:04 PM

In case anyone is wondering why I haven't posted pics & notes from my VP180, it's because THE STINKIN' PUROLATOR DEPOT IS CLOSED ALL WEEKEND !!

AUGGH !!!!
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/19/10 10:28 PM

i am so happy to see that this thing is now on the site! i am hoping that somewhere in the very near future they list the option for the 4 binding post. i know that 2 binding post is the default the ability to get the optional 4 is not listed. i emailed them a little while ago. perhaps i'll get a response tomorrow or monday. if anyone already knows the answer to this a reply would be very nice. i'll place my order at that time and it will also include a pair of m80 towers!
Posted by: PTPlayers

Re: VP180 - 06/19/10 10:42 PM

The more i listen to this new center channel the more i love it .

Watched War of the Worlds and Book of Eli today and all i can say is wow .
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/19/10 10:52 PM

 Originally Posted By: PTPlayers
The more i listen to this new center channel the more i love it .

Watched War of the Worlds and Book of Eli today and all i can say is wow .


i just got the book of eli thursday past, i'll have to watch it and then watch it again after getting the new front 3 and compare! i can't wait buddy.
Posted by: terzaghi

Re: VP180 - 06/20/10 01:11 PM

Looks great. I don't mind the change in dust cap color but I'd like to have a matching set across the front. Did they change the dust caps on the new m80's as well?

I'd love to have some m80's with magnetic grills too...
Posted by: Ian

Re: VP180 - 06/20/10 02:01 PM


Hi Terzaghi,

Everything in our line now has aluminum dust caps and magnetic grilles. The only exception being the in-wall products. They will remain with grille pins because the access to the screws for tightening the arms wall are in the female grille plugs.
Posted by: michael_d

Re: VP180 - 06/20/10 04:28 PM

 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
 Originally Posted By: michael_d
I think you pay a 20% premium for Rosewood. There is another 20% premium for a piano finish if you select that. Having bought Rosewood before and "attempted" my hand at piano finishing, I'm surprised they only charge a 20%.



I'm not sure that is accurate at least in the case of the VP180 example above.


What's not accurate? My math is pretty close, so clarify what you disagree with.

VP180 in real wood finish is $940. Rosewood is an additional $180 (roughly 19%) A piano finish is an additional $194 (roughly 20%)
Posted by: onn

Re: VP180 - 06/20/10 05:01 PM

 Originally Posted By: michael_d
 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
 Originally Posted By: michael_d
I think you pay a 20% premium for Rosewood. There is another 20% premium for a piano finish if you select that. Having bought Rosewood before and "attempted" my hand at piano finishing, I'm surprised they only charge a 20%.



I'm not sure that is accurate at least in the case of the VP180 example above.


What's not accurate? My math is pretty close, so clarify what you disagree with.

VP180 in real wood finish is $940. Rosewood is an additional $180 (roughly 19%) A piano finish is an additional $194 (roughly 20%)


My pre-order price was $1115.17 + GST. Hope this helps.
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 06/20/10 05:30 PM

 Originally Posted By: michael_d
 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
 Originally Posted By: michael_d
I think you pay a 20% premium for Rosewood. There is another 20% premium for a piano finish if you select that. Having bought Rosewood before and "attempted" my hand at piano finishing, I'm surprised they only charge a 20%.



I'm not sure that is accurate at least in the case of the VP180 example above.


What's not accurate? My math is pretty close, so clarify what you disagree with.

VP180 in real wood finish is $940. Rosewood is an additional $180 (roughly 19%) A piano finish is an additional $194 (roughly 20%)


You didn't take into account going from $695 - $940. The premium for rosewood in piano finish from the stock vinyl (or boston cherry as in this case) is much higher than 40% (20%+20% as you state) . In total it is more like a 60% premium. Your starting point has to be the base price or MSRP of $695 in this case when looking at the premium paid for upgrading to a different finish.
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/20/10 07:28 PM

i placed my order for:
1 - VP180v3 center w/dual speaker terminals
1 - pair M80v2 towers

both in the standard boston cherry finishes. i hope to find out in a day or two how much longer the order will take to ship because of the option to the center channel.

once i get them i'll do a full review for the entire front 3.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 06/20/10 11:58 PM

 Originally Posted By: Ian

Hi Terzaghi,

Everything in our line now has aluminum dust caps and magnetic grilles. The only exception being the in-wall products. They will remain with grille pins because the access to the screws for tightening the arms wall are in the female grille plugs.


Everything meaning the QS's and subs too?
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 06/21/10 08:29 AM

I got my magic e-mail from Noreen! My grille has shipped \:\)
Posted by: Pitbull24

Re: VP180 - 06/21/10 08:47 AM

Ordered mine this weekend. Tic Toc Tic Toc..... I did trade in my vp150; credit of $315! You have to love this company.
Posted by: Potatohead

Re: VP180 - 06/22/10 01:48 AM

Dah!

I want magnetic grills
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 06/22/10 08:51 AM

i just ordered the vp180 & a pair of m80's 2 days ago. i know they will all come with the all white drivers. i'm wondering will the m80's come with the magnetic grill covers t match the vp180, does anyone know? perhaps that has been made clear by axiom already and someone here knows that.
thanks.
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 06/22/10 09:57 AM

I am pretty sure they do.
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 06/22/10 02:42 PM

Picked up the VP180 from Purolator yesterday. As usual, the box was demolished and the speaker was fine. There was a tiny smudge on the side where the box was torn open but it wiped off with a damp sponge.

I mucked up my elbow on the weekend (never start a brushcutter while carrying it - doesn't hurt the brushcutter but it's murder on the tendons in your arm) so haven't carried it up the stairs yet... so just cell phone pictures on the hall floor so far.

First impressions - it's *big*. I haven't seen M80s in a home environment yet, just lots of M60s, so the depth of the speaker was a bit of a surprise :



The magnetic grills look good and hold on much more securely than I expected. The grill was pink (probably called tan to make it sound manly) vs the black on my other speakers, but when I looked back at the order there was no mention of grill colour. Hopefully I didn't just forget to click on something... and hopefully I can arrange a swap.

Anyways, here's the front view :



The varying colour across the speaker is due to poor lighting, not flaws in the finish. There are threaded holes for four feet on the bottom of the speaker (or for the stands maybe ?).

That's all I have for now, maybe I'll feel brave enough to drag it up the stairs tonight ;\)
Posted by: kmcalvano

Re: VP180 - 06/22/10 03:02 PM

Congrats, that looks sweet and thanks for posting the pics, that's the same finish that I ordered;) I hope you enjoy that bad boy!!

FYI, for us older Axiom owners, I'm working on a DIY magnetic grill conversion. I'll be done with it next week, just waiting on a few parts. I'll be more than happy to share pics and info when completed.
Cheers
Posted by: PTPlayers

Re: VP180 - 06/22/10 03:05 PM

 Originally Posted By: bridgman
Picked up the VP180 from Purolator yesterday. As usual, the box was demolished and the speaker was fine. There was a tiny smudge on the side where the box was torn open but it wiped off with a damp sponge.

I mucked up my elbow on the weekend (never start a brushcutter while carrying it - doesn't hurt the brushcutter but it's murder on the tendons in your arm) so haven't carried it up the stairs yet... so just cell phone pictures on the hall floor so far.

First impressions - it's *big*. I haven't seen M80s in a home environment yet, just lots of M60s, so the depth of the speaker was a bit of a surprise :



The magnetic grills look good and hold on much more securely than I expected. The grill was pink (probably called tan to make it sound manly) vs the black on my other speakers, but when I looked back at the order there was no mention of grill colour. Hopefully I didn't just forget to click on something... and hopefully I can arrange a swap.

Anyways, here's the front view :



The varying colour across the speaker is due to poor lighting, not flaws in the finish. There are threaded holes for four feet on the bottom of the speaker (or for the stands maybe ?).

That's all I have for now, maybe I'll feel brave enough to drag it up the stairs tonight ;\)


Congrats on the new center .

At least Purolator didn't leave it on your front door with no signature like they did to me .

I found it very awkward to carry because my top shelf is glass and had to make sure i laid it down gently .
Posted by: jhunt17

Re: VP180 - 06/22/10 03:30 PM

Mine was on my porch as well when my dad went to wait on it for me. (I'm on vacation) SO at least it was only on the porch for 15 min. before dad got there. Anyway, I can't wait to get home and hook this puppy up, OR should I say hook up this FULL GROWN GREAT DANE!!! Still looking forward to hearing everyone's impressions!!
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 06/22/10 04:23 PM

 Originally Posted By: bridgman
Picked up the VP180 from Purolator yesterday.

The magnetic grills look good and hold on much more securely than I expected.


Congrats bridgman, you are going to love how it sounds \:\) I still can't get over the full, rich, deep sound this speaker delivers. I know it's large, but if anyone has the room for it they would be wise to get one.

Nice pics, the finish you chose looks great with the all white drivers. The magnetic grilles are great too. Initially I was indifferent to the mag grilles but I must admit now I am a huge fan of them. They are very secure, they snap into place easily and quickly, and the speaker (when the grilles are removed) looks way better without the holes IMHO. I'm so impressed with them that I'm in the process of upgrading all of my speakers to the ones with the magnetic grilles.
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - 06/22/10 04:26 PM

Good point about the drivers vs the maple finish.

My initial reaction was that I probably wouldn't mind the way old + new drivers looked together in main vs center -- the difference seemed somehow less with maple than with other finishes.

 Originally Posted By: PTPlayers
I found it very awkward to carry because my top shelf is glass and had to make sure i laid it down gently .

Now there's the understatement of the century ;\)
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: VP180 - 06/22/10 05:57 PM

I like the natural wood look. I didn't think I would.
Posted by: bluray

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 07:37 PM

OK. So I'm a worry wart. My new VP180 came a day earlier than expected and sat most of the day outside in high heat and humidity (about 95 degrees). Any reason to be concerned about the materials standing up to that (glues and whatnot)?
Posted by: kmcalvano

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 07:41 PM

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Posted by: kmcalvano

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 07:42 PM

I wouldn't worry about it. Just imagine how hot it gets in the back of those non air conditioned delivery trucks.
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 07:51 PM

Now EVERYONE is worried about their VP180!
Posted by: fredk

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 07:53 PM

I must say, I'm surprised at the number of people that have jumped on this speaker. I wouldn't have thought many would have room for it.

Here's a question. Given that the center channel is mainly for dialog, how low does the speaker really have to go? A quick search shows that the lowest fundamental in the male voice is around 85 Hz, do you really need a speaker that goes down to 36 Hz?
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 07:57 PM

You really have to hear the difference to appreciate it Fred. There is a night and day difference.
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 08:00 PM

Also, it's not just dialogue (movies). It's instruments too in Dolby Surround or for a SACD or DVD-A.
Posted by: kmcalvano

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 08:07 PM

I know I should be patient, but are there any updates for the old/new driver situation? I'm really hoping that Axiom will allow us an upgrade to the new ones, I'm really starting to like the looks of them, especially in the light maple;)
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 08:14 PM

You should call Axiom on the telephone.
Posted by: kmcalvano

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 08:18 PM

So are you saying that they are already allowing us to swap drivers? If so, you bet all be calling first thing:)
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 08:20 PM

IF they are (and we don't know that they are), they'll probably be a bit happier to do it at the factory then to ship you a whole new set of drivers. So I would certainly advise calling them ASAP.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 08:22 PM

 Originally Posted By: fredk
I must say, I'm surprised at the number of people that have jumped on this speaker. I wouldn't have thought many would have room for it.

Here's a question. Given that the center channel is mainly for dialog, how low does the speaker really have to go? A quick search shows that the lowest fundamental in the male voice is around 85 Hz, do you really need a speaker that goes down to 36 Hz?


There's way more coming out of the centre speaker than just dialog. Disconnect all other speakers and play material with just the centre and you might be surprised at how much content there is aside from the dialog.
Posted by: kmcalvano

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 08:22 PM

Oh, I was speaking about those of us who have the older style and ordered the vp180 without knowing about the changes. I actually found out about the new drivers after mine had shipped.
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 08:23 PM

I don't KNOW. Sometimes, there is a perception that Axiom staff closely monitor these forums and respond HERE to customer service questions. I do not believe that is the case. The only/best way for you to get solid information is to call Axiom directly.
Posted by: kmcalvano

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 08:24 PM

mkay, mkay, I'll call:D
Posted by: fredk

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 08:47 PM

 Originally Posted By: kmcalvano
I know I should be patient, but are there any updates for the old/new driver situation? I'm really hoping that Axiom will allow us an upgrade to the new ones, I'm really starting to like the looks of them, especially in the light maple;)

I don't think the old to new driver is as simple as a swap. It is not just a dust cap color change. You would also need to change the crossover.
Posted by: fredk

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 08:50 PM

 Originally Posted By: htnut
There's way more coming out of the centre speaker than just dialog. Disconnect all other speakers and play material with just the centre and you might be surprised at how much content there is aside from the dialog.

I'm going to have to give that a try.

I once got my mains to produce only the surround material. That was quite interesting.
Posted by: kmcalvano

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 09:00 PM

Hey fred, I wouldn't think you have to swap the x-over if the drivers have the same specs. The first time I called, I believe they told me that the drivers were the same minus the dust cap.

I just got off the phone with Brent and he told me that he would speak with Ian tomorrow and get back with me, FYI
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 09:00 PM

 Originally Posted By: fredk
 Originally Posted By: kmcalvano
I know I should be patient, but are there any updates for the old/new driver situation? I'm really hoping that Axiom will allow us an upgrade to the new ones, I'm really starting to like the looks of them, especially in the light maple;)

I don't think the old to new driver is as simple as a swap. It is not just a dust cap color change. You would also need to change the crossover.


It's just a color change.
Posted by: michael_d

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 09:14 PM

To change the drivers, you MAY also need to change wiring and crossovers. And conversely, you MAY need to change drivers and wiring if you wish to change a crossover. It really depends on what version you currently have. We have had numerous conversations over this topic on the boards lately. I’m not positive one way or the other if the all white drivers are the same as V2 drivers, but think not.


Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 10:15 PM

Well the dust cap change is already causing confusion and misinformation. Wait what will happen that are not in the know ;\) . I'll wait till Axiom responds about how they will handle driver replacements for the older versions to further comment.

From a purely cosmetic standpoint, the new all aluminum drivers would look absolutely ridiculous with the older drivers with the black dust cap and from my own personal standpoint would not be happy if I have ever have to replace any of the drivers and they are the new all aluminum cones.
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 10:43 PM

OK, so I sent an email to Axiom yesterday addressing this matter and here is the response I got:

"So the easiest thing for us to do would be just to swap out your VP180 woofers and you can send those ones back with just the cost of the shipping, if you want to change your other speakers to the new drivers we would have to know the serial # on your M80's so we can figure out what you would need to upgrade them, and last of all, we are putting on the site in a couple of weeks a new program for upgrading your old speakers, so you will be able to sell your old speakers and use the money to buy new ones."

Hope this helps.
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 10:50 PM

 Originally Posted By: bdpf
OK, so I sent an email to Axiom yesterday addressing this matter and here is the response I got:

"So the easiest thing for us to do would be just to swap out your VP180 woofers and you can send those ones back with just the cost of the shipping, if you want to change your other speakers to the new drivers we would have to know the serial # on your M80's so we can figure out what you would need to upgrade them, and last of all, we are putting on the site in a couple of weeks a new program for upgrading your old speakers, so you will be able to sell your old speakers and use the money to buy new ones."

Hope this helps.


Thanks BDPF, but this matter is still a little confusing for me regarding driver replacements. Does the bolded part refer to taking out the new aluminum cones and sending them back for replacements for the older drivers (black dust cap)? And while we are talking about versions does it just refer to the M80ti to M80 V2 or does the ti to V2 correspond to all models when changing to the new all aluminum cones?

Thanks!
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 10:51 PM

Well, for anyone interested in a VP180 with BLACK caps, I know for a fact that the white capped drivers can be swapped for the black capped ones without any issue.
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 10:54 PM

 Originally Posted By: htnut
Well, for anyone interested in a VP180 with BLACK caps, I know for a fact that the white capped drivers can be swapped for the black capped ones without any issue.


Yes. But it is a matter of Axiom deciding to continue to manufacture and supply them or not and for how long (till they run out of current inventory???). That is what is not clear at this point.
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 10:56 PM

The way I understand it is:
- If you want the VP180 with white/black drivers, there is no problem, they'll send you the black/white and you return the all-white.
- If you want your other speakers to have the all-white drivers, then they need to know your serial number so they can know if there is other components that need to be replaced in order to work with the all-white drivers (crossover maybe?)
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 10:57 PM

Thanks again BDPF, that was very helpful.

Cheers!
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 10:59 PM

 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
 Originally Posted By: htnut
Well, for anyone interested in a VP180 with BLACK caps, I know for a fact that the white capped drivers can be swapped for the black capped ones without any issue.


Yes. But it is a matter of Axiom deciding to still manufacture and supply them or not and for how long (till they run out of current inventory???). That is what is not clear at this point.


Since the new V3 line will be all-white drivers, I would guess that they would supply the black/white for a limited time just to make their current customer that are upgrading happy.
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 11:07 PM

BTW, how complicated is it to replace a driver? Is it as simple as removing the screws, taking it out, disconnect the + and - cables and put the new one back in?
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/22/10 11:22 PM

For the drivers, yes, it's that simple. My understanding is that if you need to replace crossovers, soldering is involved.
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 06/23/10 12:27 AM

 Originally Posted By: bdpf
Since the new V3 line will be all-white drivers, I would guess that they would supply the black/white for a limited time just to make their current customer that are upgrading happy.


This is my assumption, too. I can't see Axiom making two version of each non-tweeter driver in perpetuity.
Posted by: fredk

Re: VP180 - 06/23/10 12:47 AM

OK, my mistake. I thought the composition of the driver had changed.
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 06/23/10 01:58 AM

Not between the most recent black and aluminium ones and the all aluminium ones.
Posted by: Andrew

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 06:53 AM

The "new" woofers with aluminum dustcaps are functionally identical to the black dustcap version used in the V2 series models, so they can be swapped out directly. For this reason we will be keeping a stockpile of black dustcaps in order to replace drivers for service purposes.

Andrew

 Originally Posted By: Dr.House
 Originally Posted By: htnut
Well, for anyone interested in a VP180 with BLACK caps, I know for a fact that the white capped drivers can be swapped for the black capped ones without any issue.


Yes. But it is a matter of Axiom deciding to continue to manufacture and supply them or not and for how long (till they run out of current inventory???). That is what is not clear at this point.

Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 07:52 AM

This is great news!

Cheers!
Posted by: kmcalvano

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 07:58 AM

Ok, so I'm assuming us older ti guys are going to be swapping cross overs too. If so, I don't mind doing some soldering. I'm probably going to change to the new ones now as I'm sure it will be inevitable in the future. Thanks for all the info.
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 08:16 AM

 Originally Posted By: kmcalvano
Ok, so I'm assuming us older ti guys are going to be swapping cross overs too. If so, I don't mind doing some soldering. I'm probably going to change to the new ones now as I'm sure it will be inevitable in the future. Thanks for all the info.


I can see costs escalating if you are swapping both the crossovers and woofers. It might not be that cost effective of a solution for such an older version. The crossover is substantial on the M80. Depending how much experience you have with a soldering iron and taking apart speakers without damaging the finish, it can be a lot of work as well.
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 09:46 AM

Actually, I think it would be fun if Axiom offered a kit that would allow me to replace the drivers and crossovers in my system... essentially going from Ti models to V3s without purchasing new cabinets, the downtime of shipping them back and forth and the costs of shipping the cabinets.

Some downloadable (.PDF) instructions and a little time with a soldering gun would provide for some renewed "pride of ownership" in addition to the refined sound and updated looks as well.
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 10:02 AM

Somebody was given a price quote a while back for the VP150 crossover including shipping costs and it was around $70 IIRC. The M80 crossover will be more expensive than that and multiply that by 2. I'm not sure what they charge for drivers including shipping but lets say an average cost of $35 per 5.25"/6.25" driver to keeps things simple. The 5.25" being estimated less than $35 and the 6.25" estimated as more than $35.

If you do the math for the M80 with a crossover X 2 and woofers X 8 you are looking at a pretty hefty cost involved for the upgrade and this is probably a low ball estimate.
Posted by: Ian

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 11:06 AM


Dr.House,

Since we manufacture our own drivers there is no issue with running out of woofers with the old dust caps. We can easily make a few with the black dust caps anytime.
Posted by: michael_d

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 11:20 AM

 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
Actually, I think it would be fun if Axiom offered a kit that would allow me to replace the drivers and crossovers in my system... essentially going from Ti models to V3s without purchasing new cabinets, the downtime of shipping them back and forth and the costs of shipping the cabinets.

Some downloadable (.PDF) instructions and a little time with a soldering gun would provide for some renewed "pride of ownership" in addition to the refined sound and updated looks as well.


A thread discussing this might provide some traction for those interested in upgrading their speakers and who feel confident in their abilities to perform the upgrade. As already mentioned, it could be quite costly and labor intensive depending on the model of speaker a person has.
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 11:45 AM

Ian,
If people want to upgrade to the V3s, would Axiom buy the V2s that we currently own?
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 12:29 PM

My understanding is that the trade-up program is being replaced with the Axiom Auction program.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 12:34 PM

 Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
My understanding is that the trade-up program is being replaced with the Axiom Auction program.


...so hurry and trade up NOW before the program is officially gone ;\)
Posted by: kmcalvano

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 01:18 PM

I was reading over in the 'whats new' thread, and apparently the V3's bring some significant changes in sound performance, including newly designed tweets and crossovers. Looks like I'd have to do the whole shebang. My only concern is mating my new VP180 with my old V1 M80's...will combining two different versions negatively impact a 'seamless' sound stage? Not trying to be overly negative here, but it seems us older Axiom owners who purchase the VP180 are sort of forced into making a change whether for aesthetics, performance, or both...
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 01:32 PM

 Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
My understanding is that the trade-up program is being replaced with the Axiom Auction program.


I am not sure that the auction program will be as beneficial financially to the current Axiom owners as the trade-up program offered by Axiom was. My M80s are only 5 months old so most of the components are the same as the V3s (so I was told) so if I have to loose $300/$400 just for the aluminum dust caps and the magnetic grills, I am not sure I would. Just my opinion.
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 03:10 PM

 Originally Posted By: bdpf
 Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
My understanding is that the trade-up program is being replaced with the Axiom Auction program.


I am not sure that the auction program will be as beneficial financially to the current Axiom owners as the trade-up program offered by Axiom was. My M80s are only 5 months old so most of the components are the same as the V3s (so I was told) so if I have to loose $300/$400 just for the aluminum dust caps and the magnetic grills, I am not sure I would. Just my opinion.


There is no "all perfect" solution for anyone looking to sell used gear. In your case the trade-up program would probably be best.
Posted by: stevej

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 07:05 PM

I am new to the forum. Have had the M80's, VP-150, and EP-500 for a few months. Just tried to upgrade to the VP-180 and was told they are no longer taking trade-ups. So I guess I will have to stay with the 150.
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 07:17 PM

That doesn't sound right. Who did you talk to?
Posted by: stevej

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 07:23 PM

Don't remember his name. But after thinking about it, I went back to the trade up page, entered the info again and it came up with the trade-up allowance, so I ordered online and already got a comfirmation on the order. So will see what happens.
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 07:25 PM

I'm guessing there may have been a miscommunication--maybe he thought it was pre-order or something like that.
Posted by: stevej

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 07:29 PM

He said they were overwhelmed with VP-150's and were not accepted trade-ups anymore. We will see. I really want the 180 but need the credit (332.50) to be able to get it.
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 07:34 PM

Hokay then...
Posted by: Ichigo_Kurosaki

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 07:46 PM

I also think so. Just yesterday I asked Noreen about the trade up program and she said that as long as I had previous Axiom speakers I would qualify for it.
Posted by: stevej

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 08:01 PM

I guess the guy I talked to was either giving out bad info or they are really going to stop the trade-up. I can imagine they are getting a lot of orders for the 180. But it seems my order went through so I will keep my fingers crossed. From what I have been reading here, it is definitely worth the upgrade.
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 08:06 PM

i just talked to brent he said they are not accepting anymore vp-150s for vp-180's for trade up.
Posted by: Jc

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 08:11 PM

Hi,

Axiom is phasing out its trade-up program which will be replaced with other options to be introduced as part of the new website.

Axiom is not accepting trade-up from a VP150 to the VP180 anymore.
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 08:14 PM

I'll take an IWOW vp150 if it's in cinnamon beech and cheap enough.
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 08:15 PM

Thanks for confirming JC.
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 08:15 PM

Thanks for making me look like an idiotic jerk, JC. j/k ;\)
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 08:17 PM

I wonder if Ian, will allow the release any numbers of how many people have traded up to the vp-180 in the last few weeks?
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 08:17 PM

Oh, Ken, he didn't MAKE you....you did that all on your own!
Posted by: stevej

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 08:18 PM

Well I wish they would fix the web so an order would not be accepted with a trade-up and even getting a confirmation email with an order number.
Posted by: Wid

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/23/10 08:20 PM


With all the VP150s that will be for sale I might pick another one up to run 2 centers \:\)
Posted by: grunt

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/24/10 03:02 AM

 Originally Posted By: Jc
Hi,

Axiom is phasing out its trade-up program which will be replaced with other options to be introduced as part of the new website.

Axiom is not accepting trade-up from a VP150 to the VP180 anymore.




I hope this doesn’t mean that Axioms has stopped taking in VP150s as trade-ups for other speakers than the VP180.

After ruling out getting another subwoofer I finally narrowed it down to a pair of QS8s and a pair of M2s to trade in my VP150 made redundant a couple years ago when I bought another M80s to use as a center (didn’t know about the program then or maybe it wasn’t around yet).

I went ahead and placed the order but since I fat fingered my postal code I’ll have to call Axiom tomorrow to correct that and I can ask them directly so if their not taking the VP150s in at all I can cancel my order.

Funny how many people are now seeing the light. ;\)
Posted by: jakewash

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/24/10 11:34 AM

 Originally Posted By: grunt
I hope this doesn’t mean that Axioms has stopped taking in VP150s as trade-ups for other speakers than the VP180.
No it means Axiom is dropping the Tradeup Program altogether in favor of the Axiom Auction section.
Posted by: grunt

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/24/10 03:25 PM

Called Axiom and they confirmed that my order to trade up my VP150 for 2 QS8s and 2 M2s was accepted.

AFAIK the trade-up program as a whole hasn’t been phased out in favour the Auction program yet just that they now have an over abundance of used VP150s now.
Posted by: Potatohead

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/24/10 03:42 PM

What do they do with the traded in speakers? Ebay?
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/24/10 04:58 PM

I got an email from Noreen today confirming that the my order would in fact be the newly updated V3 line of the M80 speakers to match the VP180V3 center I also ordered. it should ship next week. my account was charged today so that lets me know i'm one step closer to getting that tracking info and ultimately hearing that door bell ring! Yes, i'm very happy and really ready, can't wait!
Posted by: jakewash

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/24/10 05:45 PM

Exciting times ahead.

I hope Fed EX doesn't crush or loose them before they get to you ;\)
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/24/10 06:03 PM

 Originally Posted By: jakewash
Exciting times ahead.

I hope Fed EX doesn't crush or loose them before they get to you ;\)


WoW Jay, you really know how to make someone feel good!
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/24/10 06:38 PM

If a speaker gets crushed in transit and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a noise ?
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/24/10 07:04 PM

 Originally Posted By: bridgman
If a speaker gets crushed in transit and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a noise ?


Thanks Bridgman, good times huh!?!
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/24/10 07:29 PM

This is all done in the spirit of "if you eat a live toad first thing in the morning then nothing worse will happen to you all day".

Let's get it all out of the way before the new speakers ship ;\)
Posted by: jakewash

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/24/10 07:31 PM

 Originally Posted By: bridgman
If a speaker gets crushed in transit and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a noise ?
KKKKRRRRUUUUUUNNNNCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

I don't know but the future owner suddenly has the urge to cry.
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/24/10 07:37 PM

What if the speaker gets a forklift tine through it?
Posted by: kmcalvano

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/24/10 07:37 PM

FYI, just spoke with Brent and the following will be available for purchase individually via the website in a couple of weeks. These are the current prices, but he said that they would be close for the new 'stuff'.

tweets-$46ea
woofers-$51ea
mids-$46ea
cross over-$152ea
Posted by: Hansang

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/24/10 09:06 PM

 Originally Posted By: bridgman
If a speaker gets crushed in transit and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a noise ?


Do you hear that ... ? That is the sound of ultimate suffering. My heart made that sound when "my speakers were crushed" Bridgman makes it now!
Posted by: jhunt17

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/24/10 09:57 PM

Hey bridgman, You about ready for your thoughts on this mondo center yet?
Posted by: jakewash

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/25/10 01:02 AM

 Originally Posted By: Hansang
Do you hear that ... ? That is the sound of ultimate suffering. My heart made that sound when "my speakers were crushed" Bridgman makes it now!
\:D \:D

That movie has a quote for everything.
Posted by: Hansang

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/25/10 12:29 PM

Indeed it does. The one I use at work all the time is: "let me explain...no, there's too much...let me sum up"

hahaha!
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/25/10 12:38 PM

 Originally Posted By: kmcalvano
FYI, just spoke with Brent and the following will be available for purchase individually via the website in a couple of weeks. These are the current prices, but he said that they would be close for the new 'stuff'.

tweets-$46ea
woofers-$51ea
mids-$46ea
cross over-$152ea


Well, if you need to replace everything, it makes a gran total of $876 for a pair of M80s! At this price, you must as well buy the V3s! Even if you have all the V3s part and only care about the look of the all-aluminum, it's still $388 which is significant. I guess I'll just put the drivers with the black caps on the VP180, that way the only cost is the shipping. I would have rather had the all-al drivers though since in the future I'll be purchasing QS8s
Posted by: bridgman

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/25/10 12:45 PM

When I was 16 I got curious and priced out what it would cost to build my $500 motorcycle buying parts individually.

I forget the details but I think it was maybe 4x the cost...
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/25/10 12:45 PM

Yeah, honestly... buying new speakers and selling the old makes more sense!
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/29/10 04:58 PM

i had been hearing all over this thread(and from axiom direct too) that the VP180 had as an option only, dual binding speaker post, yet here is a direct quote from the new Axiom newsletter i received today in my email:

"The VP180 weighs in at 56 pounds (26 kg) so sturdy support for this monster is mandatory. Dual custom aluminum stands are offered as a $240 option for the pair with shipping starting on July 15th. A magnetic grille and bi-wiring/bi-amping connections are standard."

the newsletter list this as a standard feature, so, for folks who have received their VP180 center already, did it come with two or four speaker binding post? Just curious is all so sound off. wink
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/29/10 05:04 PM

I believe Axiom asked those early purchasers if they wanted single or dual binding posts, but there would be a slight delay if they chose the duals(part supply?). It's my understanding that the early shipments therefore had the single posts(correct me if I'm wrong).
Posted by: alan

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/29/10 05:12 PM

Hi solarrdad,

That's an error on my part. The biwiring/biamping dual sets of binding posts are an upgrade on the VP180. When I originally wrote this piece, I made an assumption that was incorrect and I missed it when I proofed the copy for the newsletter.

Apologies for the error.

Regards,

Alan Lofft
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/29/10 09:26 PM

Originally Posted By: alan
Hi solarrdad,

That's an error on my part. The biwiring/biamping dual sets of binding posts are an upgrade on the VP180. When I originally wrote this piece, I made an assumption that was incorrect and I missed it when I proofed the copy for the newsletter.

Apologies for the error.

Regards,

Alan Lofft



thanks alan for the quick response.
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/30/10 05:57 PM

just got my email that my order has shipped today. i'll check the tracking later tonight and tomorrow as nothing is showing up yet. i expect to have it early next week (i'm guessing of course) maybe Wednesday or Thursday (Monday is a holiday in the USA) of course i'll know once the FEDEX tracking system adjust in about a day. Axiom recommends waiting for 2 busines days before checking. i would imagine that for some folks depending on where you live it could be to your house inside of 2 days! no chance of that with me being in the USA in Virginia! of course i don't know how it was shipped, ground, third day or what. i'll get back to you all later once i get that date!

i'm so happy my 3 new addtions are on their way! and all V3 of course! This is the first time i've ever been able to start out at the top of the line, flagship in speakers of any brand, hell, actually anything, this is the top of the line and it feels good too!
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/30/10 06:12 PM

Awesome!

Of course, the V4 line is being released next week! grin




::runs, hides, is found and gets beat up::
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/30/10 06:14 PM

Actually, next week is the ne...

oh, right, I'm not supposed to talk about that.
Posted by: grunt

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/30/10 07:00 PM

I wonder how long before Axiom gets sued I just read the New Letter and they called the VP180 there ‘New “Monster” Center Channel.’ wink
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/30/10 07:53 PM

Say it ain't so!!! Ah hell, now the damn price will go up 300%!!! frown
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 06/30/10 11:03 PM

Originally Posted By: grunt
I wonder how long before Axiom gets sued I just read the New Letter and they called the VP180 there &#145;New &#147;Monster&#148; Center Channel.&#146; wink


good one grunt, Mr. Lee's gonna be all over it I'm sure! That ol' "head monster", Oops, did it again!
Posted by: Pitbull24

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 07/02/10 06:33 PM

Talk about torture; just got home from work, and was pleasantly surprised by a large M80 box(vp180 inside) setting in my foyer. I, unfortunately, have a BBQ to get to and will not have time to put it through the paces tonight $?&$@#!!!!
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 07/08/10 09:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Pitbull24
Talk about torture; just got home from work, and was pleasantly surprised by a large M80 box(vp180 inside) setting in my foyer. I, unfortunately, have a BBQ to get to and will not have time to put it through the paces tonight $?&$@#!!!!


so, i've been waiting to hear from you about your experience with the new center, got anything yet? that must have been some BBQ!
Posted by: Pitbull24

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 07/09/10 03:58 PM

Sorry for the delay, and sorry to hear about your delay as well. Believe it or not, I did hook it up last Saturday, but have had limited time this week to listen carefully. There was an immediate difference I noticed; I could not tell the center was even on it blended so well. Male voices seem more alive, and I am noticing more liveliness in content sent to the cc during movies. I auditioned my system yesterday for a fellow forum dweller, and played a little music for the first time. Equally impressive, however, most of the listening was done in two channel. I sat on my couch to the right of the main LP and immediately noticed wider dispersion from the 180. Now, I was not disappointed with the 150, but the 180 is definitely an improvement. I would also recommend QS8's. Have a great weekend.
Posted by: HTGEEK

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 07/10/10 08:31 PM

I am about to pull the trigger on a VP-180 along with picking up some one year old M80's. Since the new V3 M80'S just came out, should I be worried about the setup not having good balance? I thought about waiting for a little while longer and getting a new pair of M80's, but I would like the save about $500.00 going the used route.

Currently I have a VP-150 and a pair of M60's...
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 07/10/10 08:43 PM

HTGEEK, before you buy the 80's i have a vp-180 that will be here on monday, i have M60's the older ti version, i can tell you if i here any difference between the v3 and the ti's.. right now i have a vp-150 ti.

from what others have said, they haven't had any bad experiences between the different versions.
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 07/10/10 11:34 PM

Originally Posted By: HTGEEK
I am about to pull the trigger on a VP-180 along with picking up some one year old M80's. Since the new V3 M80'S just came out, should I be worried about the setup not having good balance? I thought about waiting for a little while longer and getting a new pair of M80's, but I would like the save about $500.00 going the used route.

Currently I have a VP-150 and a pair of M60's...


i chose to wait and picked up the VP180v3 with a pair of M80v3 towers and tonight i picked up a pair of QS8 surround speakers. this way i don't have to worry about anything. i've essentially got a 5 channel matched set. i would recommend, if possible, wait and save that extra money and get the matching v3 towers. do you notice how many folks in this forum are kicking themselves for purchasing v2 knowing that the v3 was going to be released. also notice how many folks are interested in trading up from their v2 line to the v3 line to take advantage of the new center and have it match their M towers.

i know it's not easy but i recommend you wait. i did and i'm really happy that i did!
Posted by: Wid

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 07/11/10 12:04 AM


I run a new VP150 and QS4s, they say V2 but as new as they are I'm sure they are V3s, with some M80tis that are over 7 years old. IMO they match well enough I am not looking to up grade to the newer model.

You would do good getting the used M80s and the newer VP180, I assure you.
Posted by: bzbluray

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 07/11/10 07:37 AM

Originally Posted By: HTGEEK
I am about to pull the trigger on a VP-180 along with picking up some one year old M80's. Since the new V3 M80'S just came out, should I be worried about the setup not having good balance? I thought about waiting for a little while longer and getting a new pair of M80's, but I would like the save about $500.00 going the used route.

Currently I have a VP-150 and a pair of M60's...

Goo morning HTG,
I can't speaker from experience but check out the June Axiom News letter, they have some comments on the M80 V3's
WUP
Posted by: HTGEEK

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 07/11/10 09:52 AM

Now I am in a tough situation again...LOL I am normally the type that will get the latest and greatest. It just seems like a speaker that was built a year ago should go well with the VP-180. The guy selling the used M80 V2 is going to hold them for me until Monday. I would have already had them but I didn't have any room to take them with me on Friday.

I will be curious to see how the 180 matches up to some older M60's...
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 07/11/10 01:11 PM

you will have to wait until around 9am tomorrow, thats when the fedex guy delivers to the house laugh
Posted by: HomeDad

Re: VP180 - ATMOSPHERIC ANGST - 07/11/10 06:57 PM

I agree with Rick (wid) save the coin and get the V2, if you aren't happy (which I doubt) resell the V2 and move on to the V3.
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 03:23 PM

My Vp-180 just arrived, and like everyone else has said there is pretty much no comparison between the 180 and the 150.. Big thanks so SRoode for making this happen, i have been calling and asking brent for a larger center for about a year, but SRoode, put his money up, so the rest of us could enjoy a larger center as well..

as many know the new speakers have magnetic grills... i'm guessing Ian is of the go big or go home philosophy. the magnets are pretty damn big! With other manufactures the magnet grills are known to get "knocked off" .. I have some B&W speakers that have magnetic grills, and the magnets that B&W choose to go with are 1/2 the size of the axiom ones. the grills on the B&W's come off pretty easy, the axioms you have to work at a little bit. This was the first thing that impressed me about the new design was the grill, and the magnets...

here is a B&W magnet, the magnet is the inner part, it is inside of a metal housing.



now the axiom magnet.


i looked at the measurements for the vp-180 and the vp-150 to try and get an idea of the difference in the size of the 2 speakers... well you can not really appreciate the difference until you have a 150 sitting ontop of a 180...

now a vp-150 ontop of the vp-180





The vp-180 goes great with my m60 ti's,
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 03:33 PM

Whoa, that side view really does put it into perspective doesn't it!!! Lol
Posted by: grunt

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 03:47 PM


Thanks for the pics dakkon that’s a great visual representation of why the VP150 could never keep up with the M80s. wink
Posted by: Jc

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 03:48 PM

Hi dakkon'
Thanks for the great and informative pictures . . . as Axiom speakers they are revealing!
Posted by: Ascension

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 03:51 PM

Holy crap that thing is HUGE! (lol)
Posted by: HTGEEK

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 03:59 PM

YIKES....Better not let my fiance see those pictures bc I just picked up my M80's today and will be ordering the VP-180 tonight. lol

Does your VP180 lay the same way the VP150 does or do I need to prop it up?
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 04:14 PM

Thanks for the photos.

It really IS surprising to see how much deeper the VP180 is.... but to me, even MORE surprising that it doesn't look THAT much wider. That makes me think that I really could have a VP180 someday without it looking ridiculous in my room.

When it comes time to replace my 46" DLP, I'll go with something wall-mountable...likely a 52" or 55". Then I can lay a VP180 right across the top of the current A/V cabinet.

Old photo, but it'll give you an idea:


Posted by: jakewash

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 04:26 PM

That is where my VP180 will reside right across the entire center console.


Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 04:44 PM

my vp-180 is on top of the 60" rear projection TV... I moved the right m60 out of the way, put the 180 on the ep-600 then onto the TV, if your going to put it on top of a TV it would help having a second person...

Please pardon the home renovation project.





the vp180 has 2 DVD cases under the back feet right now, for 1" of rear elevation, i think im going to get some 1.5" wood to increase the angle slightly.

the 180 has feet screw holes on the bottom like the towers, for either the rubber feet that come with the speaker, or spikes if you choose to buy those. the 150 did not have any mounts for feet.
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 04:44 PM

All you guys make me sick.

Dakkon, thank you for the pictures and especially for your observation about integration with the M60ti's.
Posted by: Ascension

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 05:10 PM

I'm suddenly hungry for some pizza.
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 05:18 PM

i couldn't do that again if i tried, it was live TV, during a dominos add....
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 06:56 PM

I went to Ace and got some 2" 1/4 20 bolts, to get the angle correct, It would be nice i Axiom would include 2 longer bolts, for those of us who need to angle the center, i would imagine I'm not the only one.


Oh, and for those of you who haven't ordered one. you NEED to.... just do it, i promise you will not regret it. Now I am REALLY glad i did, and can not believe i was ever on the fence about getting one.
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 07:40 PM

Just wedge a VP100 underneath it. smile
Posted by: HTGEEK

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 07:47 PM

The VP-180 has been ordered and my M80's are sitting in the spare bedroom awaiting the arrival of it. Should be a nice upgrade going from the M60's and VP-150.

I asked this earlier, but didn't get a response. Will the 180 sit at the same angle as the 150? I was hoping I wouldn't have to prop it up at all..

Thanks.
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 07:53 PM

Jeff I just took a quick glance at the VP150 and the VP180 and it does appear that they do have the same angle.
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 08:07 PM

HTGEEK i tried to elude to it in my post, it will be fine, just get some long bolts.
i would recommend 2 2" (1/4 20) thread bolts, with 4 nuts, and 4 washers. Thats what i used to get the angle correct. It kind of depends on where you are going to put your center? are you going to have it on top of a 5' TV like me? or a stand like Jake? the geometry of the vp-180 appears to be the same as the 150, so if your 150 upside down, with the angle side down and it works, then you should be able to put the 180 in the same orientation as the 150 and be fine. however, with the 180 having the treaded holes, you can use some bolts, to get a "more exact" angle like i needed to do.
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 08:47 PM

They have the exact angle as the VP150.
Posted by: radtek2

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 08:57 PM

The V3 M80s arrived today to go along with the VP180, they sound incredible!


Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 09:06 PM

Beautiful installation, radtek. I'd love to hear it some time.
Posted by: grunt

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 11:35 PM

I like the look of your M80s + VP180. Not only more sonically pleasing I imagine but the VP180 looks better next to the M80s too.
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 07/12/10 11:42 PM

Originally Posted By: radtek2
The V3 M80s arrived today to go along with the VP180, they sound incredible!



they look excellent. very nice installation.
Posted by: radtek2

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 12:16 AM

They sound as good as they look for sure, I had to do a little chop/shop on the stand to get the VP180 to fit but it wasn't too bad a mod to do.
Posted by: radtek2

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 12:33 AM

The first thing I threw at the V3s was Dire Straits "Brothers In Arms 20th Anniversary Edition Multi. Ch. SACD. Now I had the Oppo default to 2ch on SACDs but switched to the 5.1 ....Wow! Was all I could muster, it was so effin sweet sounding. Oh yeah, the Oppo now defaults to multi. channel. Be back in a few days I have some music to listen to! grin
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 12:47 AM

Originally Posted By: radtek2
They sound as good as they look for sure, I had to do a little chop/shop on the stand to get the VP180 to fit but it wasn't too bad a mod to do.


i'm modding my stand out for the center too. i'll post some pictures here later today. i am receiving it later today and it's the bi-wireable one.
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 02:39 AM

Wow! That looks so good that I'm sure even Dr.House would have to reluctantly admit that maybe, just maybe, he overreacted when he commented about how the new dust caps were a big step backward.
Posted by: PTPlayers

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 07:35 AM

Originally Posted By: solarrdadd
Originally Posted By: radtek2
The V3 M80s arrived today to go along with the VP180, they sound incredible!



they look excellent. very nice installation.


Hi , what size id your tv .

I have the same stand with a 50 inch panny and VP-180 and am able to get stand on top shelf .

[img]http://forum.blu-ray.com/album.php?albumid=571&pictureid=4680[/img]
Posted by: HTGEEK

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 07:54 AM

Does anybody on here have a Denon 4310 or 4810? I am curious if I will have to make any adjustments in my settings having gone from the M60's/VP-150 combo to the M80'S/VP-180 combo.
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 08:02 AM

I think any adjustments that you may make are going to be factored by your room in particular.

I would recalibrate based upon your particular situation.
Posted by: Murph

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 08:07 AM

Definitely recalibrate the SPL levels. I'm fairly certain the new models with their different sensitivities are producing different volume levels per speaker now.

It's probably a safe bet that you should redo this even if you experiment with their positions significantly.
Posted by: St_PatGuy

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 08:58 AM

Wow, I really like the way those look!
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 09:20 AM

Well, Sean, time to order a complete set.

I'm guessing Tom is going to be bringing a VP180 back in the over head bins in September.
Posted by: St_PatGuy

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 09:26 AM

Ha ha!

Here I go!!

*clicks order button*


Wait, I didn't put anything in the cart. frown
Posted by: medic8r

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 10:20 AM

Hey Sean, I heard that your order is arriving tomorrow via Axiom's new one-day shipping. Let me know when it gets there!
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 10:22 AM

One thing you'll want to do is set your center channel to 'large' and see how you like the bass coming out of the center. I would imagne you'll like it. I run my M80's set to large and don't notice any 'double-bass' problems others experience. Even though they aren't technically full range speakers, the M80's (and VP180 I would imagine) do a great job of reproducing bass IMO. You should at least try t out and see what you think.
Posted by: HTGEEK

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 10:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Micah
One thing you'll want to do is set your center channel to 'large' and see how you like the bass coming out of the center. I would imagne you'll like it. I run my M80's set to large and don't notice any 'double-bass' problems others experience. Even though they aren't technically full range speakers, the M80's (and VP180 I would imagine) do a great job of reproducing bass IMO. You should at least try t out and see what you think.


So you set your speakers to "Large" along with using a subwoofer?
I will try both options and see if I like one over the other.
Posted by: BlueJays1

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 10:41 AM

Originally Posted By: pmbuko
Wow! That looks so good that I'm sure even Dr.House would have to reluctantly admit that maybe, just maybe, he overreacted when he commented about how the new dust caps were a big step backward.


Nope, not going to admit that. I still think they look silly, though it looks better than the photoshopped pictures that are displayed on the storefront which look horrible IMO. I still believe it is a step backwards, the magnetic grilles are a step forward.
Posted by: Wid

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 11:10 AM

I think the new drivers look great, as do the old ones.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 11:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Micah
One thing you'll want to do is set your center channel to 'large' and see how you like the bass coming out of the center. I would imagne you'll like it. I run my M80's set to large and don't notice any 'double-bass' problems others experience. Even though they aren't technically full range speakers, the M80's (and VP180 I would imagine) do a great job of reproducing bass IMO. You should at least try t out and see what you think.


The VP180 is indeed as impressive as the M80's when set to large.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 11:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Dr.House
I still believe it is a step backwards, the
magnetic grilles are a step forward.


Well, I think the magnetic grilles are a bigger step forward than the Al caps are a step backwards, so they still end up at least slightly ahead grin
Posted by: radtek2

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 12:14 PM

Originally Posted By: PTPlayers
Originally Posted By: solarrdadd
Originally Posted By: radtek2
The V3 M80s arrived today to go along with the VP180, they sound incredible!



they look excellent. very nice installation.


Hi , what size id your tv .

I have the same stand with a 50 inch panny and VP-180 and am able to get stand on top shelf .

[img]http://forum.blu-ray.com/album.php?albumid=571&pictureid=4680[/img]

I have a 60 inch Kuro Elite, the stands' bracket to raise the Pio off the top shelf was not wide enough to fit the TVs' mounting holes, so it sits on the top shelf. It took some top frame and support post drilling, and I made some risers to raise the second shelf up an additional 2 inches.
It worked out well.
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 01:25 PM

Micah, you reminded me to change the cross over, i changed it to 40 hz, instead of 60, i don't know if it will make a big difference or not, i guess we well find out.
Posted by: HTGEEK

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 02:00 PM

Originally Posted By: dakkon
Micah, you reminded me to change the cross over, i changed it to 40 hz, instead of 60, i don't know if it will make a big difference or not, i guess we well find out.


I guess I will need to do the same... Didn't think so many setting changes would be needed with a new set of speakers...LOL
Posted by: Dundas

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 02:09 PM

Originally Posted By: HTGEEK

Didn't think so many setting changes would be needed with a new set of speakers...LOL


You should basically start over with the speaker set-up when you change (or even move) your speakers.
Are yo using Audyssey?
Posted by: HTGEEK

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 02:22 PM

Yes I am using Audyssey. That does make sense since I am dealing with all new front speakers.

I will have to check, but does Audyssey adjust the crossover during calibration?
Posted by: Wid

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 02:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Dundas


You should basically start over with the speaker set-up when you change (or even move) your speakers.
Are yo using Audyssey?


That's a fact, I recalibrate going from the VP100 to the 150. I'm sure going up to the 180 you'll need to do some adjusting.
Posted by: Wid

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 02:24 PM

Originally Posted By: HTGEEK


I will have to check, but does Audyssey adjust the crossover during calibration?



Yes it does.
Posted by: HTGEEK

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 02:28 PM

Originally Posted By: wid
Originally Posted By: HTGEEK


I will have to check, but does Audyssey adjust the crossover during calibration?



Yes it does.


That is good to know... Can't wait until Friday night or Saturday morning to get all this hooked up..:)
Posted by: Dundas

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 03:13 PM

Originally Posted By: wid
Originally Posted By: HTGEEK


I will have to check, but does Audyssey adjust the crossover during calibration?



Yes it does.


Well, to split hairs, the receiver sets the crossovers based on the information provided by Audyssey. The programming that sets the crossovers is, in your case, Denon's not Audyssey's.

After you have run Audyssey you should review the speaker settings that the AVR has set and consider changing any speakers that are set to large to small with a suitable crossover (40hz for the M80s & VP180?).
Posted by: Wid

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 03:29 PM


True but it is Audyssey that tells the receiver what the crossover point is. It's not going to happen, unless manually, if there is not a program such as Adyussey.

I personally don't like it.
Posted by: grunt

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 03:32 PM

Originally Posted By: HTGEEK
Yes I am using Audyssey. That does make sense since I am dealing with all new front speakers.

I will have to check, but does Audyssey adjust the crossover during calibration?



Just to be clear. From everything I’ve ever read the receiver not Audyssey sets the crossover frequencies of your speakers. Audyssey then calculates it’s EQ curves based on what the receiver gives it to work with.
Posted by: Wid

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 03:36 PM


I'll be damned, learn something new every day.
Posted by: ClubNeon

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 03:39 PM

Yep, Audyssey tells the receiver the frequency response it measures from the speaker, but then the receiver's logic sets the point based on that info.
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 03:43 PM

So there is Very mixed feelings about the Audyssey system? Sorry i don't have Audyssey so i only know what you guys have said.. does it work very well typically? i just set my L/R/C to large and then cross over the Qs8's at 40hz, not very technical i know, but i figure why not use the speakers built in crossovers?
Posted by: ClubNeon

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 03:47 PM

The speakers only cross between their own drivers. The upper and lower end are unbounded. The sub-woofer crossover stops the lowest frequencies from reaching the main speakers and sends it to the sub-woofer instead.

Have you tried 80 Hz all around? 40 Hz is pretty low for the QSs, you're likely missing some bass content that the surrounds are trying to play, and the sub isn't picking up.
Posted by: Jc

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 03:47 PM

Hi dakkon,

You should crossover your QS8 at 80Hz.
Posted by: Dundas

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 03:57 PM

Originally Posted By: grunt

Just to be clear. From everything I’ve ever read the receiver not Audyssey sets the crossover frequencies of your speakers. Audyssey then calculates it’s EQ curves based on what the receiver gives it to work with.


From the Audyssey site: "Audyssey doesn't set crossovers in any product. It finds the low frequency roll off point of your speakers and reports that to the AVR. Every manufacturer uses that information differently."
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 06:39 PM

Ok, my front soundstage is now complete. i received the correct VP180v3 speaker with dual pair of speaker binding post to match up to my existing Calabrine cables bi-wire cable (the towers are also bi-wired with the same type & brand) keep in mind that the speakers are identical in size and weight. it took a couple of measurments, try's but i finally got it right. i even have it set with about a 12 degree pitch up towards the listening area which made all the difference since i had it lower than the previous polk CSi5 center.

i created a bracket out of a shelf bracket system vertical support section with a couple of small L, some self tapping screws and some 8/32 machine screws. I also used the isolating rubber feet that came with the speaker. i mounted them to the support bar so as to not damage the finish of the speaker in any way.

i mounted them with 1 1/4" 8/32 machined screws with nuts on the underside. on the back of the stand i used two 3" brackets and mounted on of the footers on each of those for support. i also mounted the 3" brackets about an inch lower than the bar in order to get the pitch i mentioned towards the listeners head (more like the upper chest to head) it worked out great. once in place everything fit perfectly and on either side of the speaker to the inside wall of the stand i was left with a total of 1/4". as i have said before, i was meant to have this speaker! i did a test to make sure the speaker works and that i didn't blow anything up (old nervious electrician! ;)) i turned everything on, and no faults in my XPA-5, so, i put on John Mayer: SACD/DSD "Heavier Things" and it sounded incredible, that center made it's presence known! the soundstage became one really big, really wide speaker, seamless in it's transitions across the soundstage; yet, seperation when it was meant to be seperate! i also gave a listen to Tom Petty blu-ray "Mojo" in 5.1 and again, it was incredible. very well done, very powerfull at times from the front stage.

my family was very happy to see the speaker. my girlfriend who usually doesn't have anything much to say about the HT came to me and said "you know you were right about it being meant for you to have that speaker, it just made it in there" and she was right.

ok, here are some pictures. we are going to watch "Percy Jackson & the Olympains" on blu to celebrate the front 3. I'll give you my views on the impact of the front soundstage later tonight. and Friday, i am expecting to have my QS8 surrounds arrive and you know what that means, "box porn" and reviews.

later this weekend, or early next week, i'll update the gallery to reflect the new additions. i've waited until they are all in place and tested before i update the gallery. i'll also let you know how the amp is handling the new 4 ohm fronts and the 6 ohm surrounds (when they arrive) since all it's ever know is 8 ohm loads.


here is a broad shot of the stand and the metal bracket i mentioned earlier with the isolation supports installed. as well as the back brackets.


here is a closeup of the main support bar. good steel, glossy black supported by the end "L" brackets and see those rubber things, yes those would be the feet that would be used on the bottom of the speakers if you placed them on a wood floor.


here is the closeup of the L brackets in the rear with their isolation supports on. all the isolation feet are installed in the same direction (manner) as if they were being bolted to the bottom of the speaker as they were meant to be.


and the center is now in it's final resting place. resting comfortably on 6 isolation footers and loving life. look at the sides of the stand next to the ends of the center, about 1/8" on each side! the beauty is that you can't even see the steel bracket supporting the speaker, you'd have to lay down on the floor to see it; this worked out better than i thought, the center just appears to float! well, we are going to have some McDonalds and watch the movie, i'll give a review on how it holds up to the movie. i will say that the bass is out of the center is incredible. all 3 fronts are at 50hz @75db SPL from the trusty iPhone.

later...;)
Posted by: HTGEEK

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 07:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Jc
Hi dakkon,

You should crossover your QS8 at 80Hz.


JC,
What are the recommended crossover settings for the M80's and VP-180? Should they be set at "small" or "large"
Posted by: Lorenzo1000

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 08:14 PM

Originally Posted By: solarrdadd
Ok, my front soundstage is now complete. i received the correct VP180v3 speaker with dual pair of speaker binding post to match up to my existing Calabrine cables bi-wire cable (the towers are also bi-wired with the same type & brand) keep in mind that the speakers are identical in size and weight. it took a couple of measurments, try's but i finally got it right. i even have it set with about a 12 degree pitch up towards the listening area which made all the difference since i had it lower than the previous polk CSi5 center.

i created a bracket out of a shelf bracket system vertical support section with a couple of small L, some self tapping screws and some 8/32 machine screws. I also used the isolating rubber feet that came with the speaker. i mounted them to the support bar so as to not damage the finish of the speaker in any way.

i mounted them with 1 1/4" 8/32 machined screws with nuts on the underside. on the back of the stand i used two 3" brackets and mounted on of the footers on each of those for support. i also mounted the 3" brackets about an inch lower than the bar in order to get the pitch i mentioned towards the listeners head (more like the upper chest to head) it worked out great. once in place everything fit perfectly and on either side of the speaker to the inside wall of the stand i was left with a total of 1/4". as i have said before, i was meant to have this speaker! i did a test to make sure the speaker works and that i didn't blow anything up (old nervious electrician! ;)) i turned everything on, and no faults in my XPA-5, so, i put on John Mayer: SACD/DSD "Heavier Things" and it sounded incredible, that center made it's presence known! the soundstage became one really big, really wide speaker, seamless in it's transitions across the soundstage; yet, seperation when it was meant to be seperate! i also gave a listen to Tom Petty blu-ray "Mojo" in 5.1 and again, it was incredible. very well done, very powerfull at times from the front stage.

my family was very happy to see the speaker. my girlfriend who usually doesn't have anything much to say about the HT came to me and said "you know you were right about it being meant for you to have that speaker, it just made it in there" and she was right.

ok, here are some pictures. we are going to watch "Percy Jackson & the Olympains" on blu to celebrate the front 3. I'll give you my views on the impact of the front soundstage later tonight. and Friday, i am expecting to have my QS8 surrounds arrive and you know what that means, "box porn" and reviews.

later this weekend, or early next week, i'll update the gallery to reflect the new additions. i've waited until they are all in place and tested before i update the gallery. i'll also let you know how the amp is handling the new 4 ohm fronts and the 6 ohm surrounds (when they arrive) since all it's ever know is 8 ohm loads.


here is a broad shot of the stand and the metal bracket i mentioned earlier with the isolation supports installed. as well as the back brackets.


here is a closeup of the main support bar. good steel, glossy black supported by the end "L" brackets and see those rubber things, yes those would be the feet that would be used on the bottom of the speakers if you placed them on a wood floor.


here is the closeup of the L brackets in the rear with their isolation supports on. all the isolation feet are installed in the same direction (manner) as if they were being bolted to the bottom of the speaker as they were meant to be.


and the center is now in it's final resting place. resting comfortably on 6 isolation footers and loving life. look at the sides of the stand next to the ends of the center, about 1/8" on each side! the beauty is that you can't even see the steel bracket supporting the speaker, you'd have to lay down on the floor to see it; this worked out better than i thought, the center just appears to float! well, we are going to have some McDonalds and watch the movie, i'll give a review on how it holds up to the movie. i will say that the bass is out of the center is incredible. all 3 fronts are at 50hz @75db SPL from the trusty iPhone.

later...;)


Wow that's an awesome looking setup...the VP-180 really is a perfect fit...I'm sure it will sound as great as it looks!!!

Congrats!!! smile
Posted by: St_PatGuy

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 08:16 PM

Originally Posted By: medic8r
Hey Sean, I heard that your order is arriving tomorrow via Axiom's new one-day shipping. Let me know when it gets there!


Psst, JP! I made a few phone calls and upgraded to the super secret 5 hour shipping.
Posted by: ClubNeon

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 08:18 PM

Originally Posted By: HTGEEK
What are the recommended crossover settings for the M80's and VP-180? Should they be set at "small" or "large"

As long as you have a sub which can play lower than your speakers, they can be set to small. The -3 dB point is where it is recommended to set the crossover.

The M80s and VP180 are both down 3 dB at 34 Hz, so what ever crossover point is above that would be good. Probably 40 Hz if you have it.
Posted by: Wid

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 08:37 PM


When I had an Outlaw ICBM they suggested to round up the -3db point, with the M80s that would be 40HZ, then add 10 to it. So as Outlaw recommends 50HZ would be the ideal crossover point for the M80s, set to small.
Posted by: jakewash

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 09:31 PM

The correct crossover is what ever sounds best, as each room will affect where the best point will be.
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 10:22 PM

Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
Originally Posted By: HTGEEK
What are the recommended crossover settings for the M80's and VP-180? Should they be set at "small" or "large"

As long as you have a sub which can play lower than your speakers, they can be set to small. The -3 dB point is where it is recommended to set the crossover.

The M80s and VP180 are both down 3 dB at 34 Hz, so what ever crossover point is above that would be good. Probably 40 Hz if you have it.


Pardon my ignorance but wouldn't setting the crossover to 40Hz or playing music without a sub sound very similar? I thought that most music wouldn't have much below 40Hz so not much would go to the sub anyways? Am I wrong?
Posted by: JohnK

Re: VP180 - 07/13/10 10:30 PM

Bruno, that's about it: there's very little below 40Hz in most music(my pipe organ CDs are among the exceptions), so the sub would have little to do. Regardless of the low end extension of the mains, my view is to set the crossover to a good sub at higher than 40Hz.
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 07/14/10 12:07 AM

my QS8 surrounds will be here Thursday. then my speaker upgrade is complete. 5 speakers, M80, VP180 & QS8 all in the V3 flavor!
i'll keep you all posted when they arrive. i'll probably post in a QS8 thread i saw.

well, Tuesday night to celebrate and "break it in" (the new center) we watched Percy Jackson and it was truly incredible. the front soundstage is like i've never heard it before and it's only set at 50hz (i'm gonna give 40hz a try tomorrow, though 50hz was quite impressive ) for the front 3 and they are thunderous! these are truely special speakers and if you've got the power they will take it and turn that power into brilliant, spacious sound with true purpose. when the minatour comes after Percy or the Hydra attacks and screams and stomps it was like really being in the movies for us for the first time and we didn't have it turned up loud either, in fact it was at the lower end of where we tend to watch movies. i watch them at (volume) 55 or 60 (mostly closer to 60) but for Percy it was at 55 but it almost sounded like it was at 65! i was really impressed and happy to see that my money was spent on such a good investment. i am sure i can get rid of my boxes in about another week, i have no doubt that these speakers will stand the test of time with their build quality and i am also certain that i want to keep them!
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 07/14/10 09:42 AM

You might also want to try leaving the Xover at 50Hz and have your 3 fronts playing full range, you might like it.
Posted by: Murph

Re: VP180 - 07/14/10 09:55 AM

I agree with John.

You don't want your sub doing just the lowest frequencies that your mains can't do. A good sub is much more efficient and better designed to handle all the broader LFE range so you want to remove the task from your mains and let them concentrate on what they do best, some low bass likely but mostly all the midrange and highs.

It's the perfect blend you are looking for, not a hard cutoff. 80 Hz is kind of the defacto standard for people who don't want to tweak. That's where bass starts to become non-directional and also, as mentioned, a crossover is not necessarily a hard cutoff (snips off everything below or 80 or whatever N it's set for.) It is where it begins more of a rolling off of the lower frequencies to the sub. Some of the frequencies just below 80 or N will still get sent to your mains in order to keep things blending nicely but it will start to roll off fairly steeply after N.

Posted by: Dundas

Re: VP180 - 07/14/10 12:39 PM

Crossovers in AVRs are a gradual slope, typically 24dB per octave lowpass for the subwoofer and 12dB highpass for the rest of the speakers and the frequency chosen is the -3db point. So an 80Hz crossover will be 15dB down at 40Hz.
Posted by: HomeDad

Re: VP180 - 07/15/10 11:59 AM

Come on guys 83 pages and not one full review of this new speaker, I'm slowly getting sucked in, but I'll have to build a rack and will probably wait until they hit the outlet. That's what I get for popping back onto the boards. crazy
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 07/15/10 12:07 PM

Any review will more than likely be posted in the VP180 First Impressions thread first.
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - 07/15/10 12:19 PM

that is because your looking in the wrong thread homedad

try this one....

http://www.axiomaudio.com/boards/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=312182&page=1
Posted by: HomeDad

Re: VP180 - 07/15/10 12:29 PM

Thank You!
Posted by: HTGEEK

Re: VP180 - 07/17/10 09:23 PM

I started a thread on some basic settings for the VP-180 matched with the M80's. What does everybody have their Db levels set?

When I ran Audyssey, it had my fronts set at -4.5 but I ended up changing them to 0.5 before I was okay with the sound. Actually I increased all the settings by at least 10db. The crossovers are set at 40 for the front three.

In comparison when I had a VP-150/M60 setup, My fronts were set at 60hz and the db levels were +3.5. Is that normal for it to be lower??

I feel like I am asking a ton of questions, but I just want to make sure I am setting everything up the best I can.

Thanks.
Posted by: Dundas

Re: VP180 - 07/17/10 09:40 PM

You should leave the speaker levels where the receiver set them if you want the calibration of your volume control to be correct and also if you are using Dynamic EQ.
Your new speakers are more efficient so it would make sense that the set up program would set them lower.
Posted by: dakkon

Re: VP180 - 07/17/10 09:52 PM

i have m60's and going from the vp-150->180, my levels didnt change much. i used 70db as a base line.
Posted by: ClubNeon

Re: VP180 - 07/17/10 10:00 PM

You should leave the speaker trims where the receiver sets them. That's the receiver's way of making sure each channel plays at the same level when fed the same signal. The basis is also on the -0 dB setting on the master volume control. The -4.5 dB means that the receiver needs to trim four and a half dB from the output of that channel when the main volume is set to -0 dB to get that speaker to play at "reference" level.

If you had to turn all the trims up 10 dB to get it to sound like you wanted, you should have just turned the master volume control up 10 dB. That does the same thing (on any modern receiver).
Posted by: HTGEEK

Re: VP180 - 07/17/10 10:14 PM

Based on what other people have posted in my other thread, I might have an issue with my center channel, since it set the crossover at 200hz. I wrote down the settings that the intial Audyssey calibration gave me, so I will put them back to that level and try turning up the receiver.

My speakers are set at small and the front three speakers are still at 40hz.
Posted by: ClubNeon

Re: VP180 - 07/17/10 10:24 PM

40 Hz sounds right for the front three. "Small", means, "enable crossover", vs. "large" which means, "no crossover."
Posted by: HTGEEK

Re: VP180 - 07/17/10 10:58 PM

Thanks for the information. I have learned quite a bit tonight about all the different settings and what they do. Unfortunately I just made a discovery, with the help of a fellow forum member, that one of my new M80's has two blown woofers... They are only a year old, but I bought them used so I don't have a warranty on them. Not the way I wanted to spend this evening..:(
Posted by: grunt

Re: VP180 - 07/18/10 12:26 AM

Like has been mentioned in your other thread it’s likely wires or the crossover. Usually tweeters are the first thing to blow on a speaker not to say it couldn’t happen to the woofers but given the power handling capability of Axiom’s midrange and woofer drivers I doubt it.
Posted by: HTGEEK

Re: VP180 - 07/19/10 01:25 PM

Just a quick update on the situation I have been having with M80's...

I spoke with JC this morning and we tried two more things. It has been determined that my issue is most likely the crossover in one of the speakers. JC had me swtich out the woofers and the woofer from the bad speaker worked in the other one.

He is supposed to get back to me later on today.

I will also say that I watched my first movie last night on the updated system. It was a HD movie with a Dolby Digital soundtrack recorded off of ABC-HD. Surprisingly it sounded pretty darn good. Normally when I watch movies on Directv that are in HD, the sound isn't that good and I have to crank the volume up... So even with two non-working woofers in one of the front speakers, the new center and fronts did a great job. My fiance even noticed the increased sound and bass from the center..:)
Posted by: onn

Re: VP180 - 07/22/10 07:33 AM

Picked up my VP180 from Puralator last night. shocked
I did not receive any e-mail saying it was being sent so it was a bit of a shock. I ran into a few problems last night with changing my set up and hope to have everything all sorted out tonight. I will post a couple of pics when I get the chance.
Mel
Posted by: PTPlayers

Re: VP180 - 07/22/10 08:07 AM

Originally Posted By: onn
Picked up my VP180 from Puralator last night. shocked
I did not receive any e-mail saying it was being sent so it was a bit of a shock. I ran into a few problems last night with changing my set up and hope to have everything all sorted out tonight. I will post a couple of pics when I get the chance.
Mel


You sure have one hell of a system there , you will definitely love the 180.
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - 07/22/10 06:32 PM

JC recently clarified for me that users SHOULD NOT hang the VP180 using the mounting holes designed for the feet.

FWIW.
Posted by: jakewash

Re: VP180 - 07/22/10 06:49 PM

The inserts will eventually pull out if used to hang the speaker from them, it is just a pressure fit.
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 07/22/10 07:04 PM

So, Tom.....

Checking into a VP180, are we? smile
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 07/22/10 07:06 PM

Hmm. I want to double check this with Ian--when we asked him about that, I'm pretty sure he said you could. Of course, this is before the design was finalized, so something definitely could have changed.
Posted by: Jc

Re: VP180 - 07/22/10 07:16 PM

Hi,

I had checked with Ian before confirming my reply to tomtuttle.
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: VP180 - 07/22/10 07:17 PM

Okie dokie. Guess I misunderstood what Ian was saying--we did start joking about various ways to do it pretty quickly there...
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 07/22/10 07:30 PM

I would just attach a couple of wooden bars to the existing inserts(sticking out past the edge of the cabinet) and attach your ceiling mounted chains to the bars on the underside of the speaker. That's how Al Borland would do it.
Posted by: alan

Re: VP180 - 07/22/10 07:41 PM

I think one or our occasional forum members in Hawaii did hang a pair of M80s using chains. I don't recall details or if he ever posted how he did it.

Alan
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - 07/22/10 07:45 PM

I think Adrian has the right idea.

Yeah, Mark, it's all your fault. That comment you made about "when I get a wall-mounted flatscreen, I'm going to set a VP180 on the TV stand" was illuminating.

Of course, by then, I might be talking about a projector anyway since it's going to be "the next house".

Just, you know, thinking about stuff and asking questions. Stupid liberal arts degree.
Posted by: onn

Re: VP180 - 07/24/10 11:55 AM

Finally have time to post pics of my VP180






Posted by: Wid

Re: VP180 - 07/24/10 11:59 AM


Wow, that's beautiful.
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 07/24/10 11:59 AM

Wait, let me put my sunglasses on. OK. cool

That's a piece of furniture with speakers in it! beautiful like the rest of your system, Mel!

Be sure to post your impressions.
Posted by: onn

Re: VP180 - 07/24/10 12:05 PM

I wish I could but I really don't have to time to get a good listen at the moment. I'm trying to get the time right now to post my "final setup" in the gallery which will probably take me a few hours. Taking pics of this finish is a PITA.
I'm not an audiopile like most of you but I will say from the little amount of listening I have done, I have noticed quite a difference in my front soundstage not having a sight gap it had before.
Posted by: CV

Re: VP180 - 07/24/10 12:24 PM

That finish always makes me weep.
Posted by: onn

Re: VP180 - 07/24/10 12:31 PM

Originally Posted By: CV
That finish always makes me weep.


When I think of the cost that makes me weep. laugh
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 07/24/10 01:52 PM

Mel your 180 is gorgeous ... right along with the rest of your system and I'm envious. grin

Congrats!
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 07/24/10 01:56 PM

Mel, if it's not too much to ask:

Can you pack up your system and bring it all to Dwight in September for us to see?

Thanks, Bud...that's awesome of you!
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 07/24/10 02:12 PM

LOL, a reunion of sorts for the 'ol VP180!
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: VP180 - 07/24/10 02:34 PM

What a beautiful finish!
Posted by: Ichigo_Kurosaki

Re: VP180 - 07/24/10 02:38 PM

That's really beautiful. Guess I will return all my speakers to get some new color! LOL smile
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 07/24/10 02:46 PM

Well now I know why all finishes aren't priced the same. If they were, they'd probably sell 90% in HGC!!!
Posted by: ClubNeon

Re: VP180 - 07/24/10 02:51 PM

That's not High Gloss Cherry, but High Gloss Rosewood.
Posted by: onn

Re: VP180 - 07/24/10 05:29 PM

Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
Mel, if it's not too much to ask:

Can you pack up your system and bring it all to Dwight in September for us to see?

Thanks, Bud...that's awesome of you!


No problem Mark I'll get right on that. Do you think the airline would mind if I strapped each speaker into it's own seat? Can't trust the cargo hold you know. I'm sure there will be some speakers like mine at the Axiom plant though (maybe). laugh
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 07/24/10 05:40 PM

Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
That's not High Gloss Cherry, but High Gloss Rosewood.


Ah ok, Rosewood then. My colorblind eyes may not be able to spot the exact color, but I can tell they are stunning!
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 07/25/10 08:41 PM

Really beautiful, congrats!
Posted by: 2x6spds

Re: VP180 - 07/25/10 08:50 PM

Originally Posted By: onn
Finally have time to post pics of my VP180








Oh, my. That's beautiful.
Posted by: HomeDad

Re: VP180 - 07/25/10 10:11 PM

Wow! That's really nice, I would have to buy all new furniture if my speakers looked that good.
Posted by: SRoode

Re: VP180 - 07/26/10 06:59 PM

Can I lick it?

Gorgeous speaker!
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 07/27/10 09:52 AM

Perhaps I missed it if you already mentioned it but... did you request the blacked out dust caps or something?
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 07/27/10 10:09 AM

Originally Posted By: onn

I'm not an audiopile like most of you but...


Sooo... you make up for it by purchasing the ultimate Axiom HT???

Lol, j/k! wink
Posted by: onn

Re: VP180 - 07/27/10 12:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Micah
Perhaps I missed it if you already mentioned it but... did you request the blacked out dust caps or something?


When someone had posted a pic of their 180 and I saw that the caps were not black I called Axiom and made sure that I got the black caps. Since I knew I would be waiting longer for my speaker because of the finish I knew it wouldn't be a problem. I was more worried that they would forget that I had asked for the black caps.
Posted by: onn

Re: VP180 - 07/27/10 12:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Micah
Sooo... you make up for it by purchasing the ultimate Axiom HT???
Lol, j/k! wink


What can I say, I got a little carried away! blush
Ultimate Axiom HT? That's debatable. I do like it though.
Posted by: Hansang

Re: VP180 - 07/27/10 12:52 PM

Considering you have an EP800 and 500, 1400-8 and M80s as surrounds, I would say it's right up there! Enjoy!

When I move (in 12 months or so), I plan on getting the VP180 and A1400. I still won't be able to crank it up, but knowing I have them will make me happy! wink
Posted by: Micah

Re: VP180 - 07/27/10 12:59 PM

Why won't you be able to crank them up?
Posted by: Madrastalkies

Re: VP180 - 08/09/10 09:24 AM

Originally Posted By: dakkon



Does anyone can tell me whats the height of the VP180 at the backside...

speaker depth is 17"
Speaker height is 9.25" at the front -- XXX?? at the back -- after the slope..
Posted by: EFalardeau

Re: VP180 - 08/09/10 09:29 AM

Every time I see this, I cannot help myself to mutter: that's f^%^&ing HUGE, man!
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 08/09/10 09:38 AM

The rear of the VP180 is just shy of 7-1/8" inches high.
Posted by: Madrastalkies

Re: VP180 - 08/09/10 04:02 PM

Originally Posted By: pmbuko
The rear of the VP180 is just shy of 7-1/8" inches high.


Thanks for the info...i am just going to get both VP180 and VP150...if i am happy with 150 i will just stay with 150...man..but 180 looks like a monster..
Posted by: HTGEEK

Re: VP180 - 08/10/10 03:38 PM

The unit is quite massive, but I haven't been happier with any HT purchase in the last ten years that I have been with the VP-180. This includes the purchase of my Elite 60" I made back in March 2009.

Good luck trying to convince yourself that the VP-150 will be enough... wink
Posted by: solarrdadd

Re: VP180 - 08/10/10 05:07 PM

Originally Posted By: HTGEEK
The unit is quite massive, but I haven't been happier with any HT purchase in the last ten years that I have been with the VP-180. This includes the purchase of my Elite 60" I made back in March 2009.

Good luck trying to convince yourself that the VP-150 will be enough... wink


i agree 100% I'd tell you if you have the space and the cash, or can make the space and get the cash, go with the VP180 now. I'm so happy with mine!
Posted by: Ichigo_Kurosaki

Re: VP180 - 08/10/10 05:21 PM

Originally Posted By: 2x6spds
Originally Posted By: onn
Finally have time to post pics of my VP180








Oh, my. That's beautiful.
That's so beautiful that I am even considering sending my light maple speakers back for an exchange. LOL smile
Posted by: grunt

Re: VP180 - 08/11/10 12:14 AM

Originally Posted By: EFalardeau
Every time I see this, I cannot help myself to mutter: that's f^%^&ing HUGE, man!


Every time I see it I think no wonder the VP150 couldn’t cut it playing with my M80s. It’s like a Little Leaguer trying to play in the Majors.
Posted by: lleeds

Re: VP180 - 08/18/10 01:28 AM

Ordered mine the other day. Have to get another monoblock ordered to push it.
Posted by: Hansang

Re: VP180 - 08/19/10 09:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Micah
Why won't you be able to crank them up?


I live in a condo so I have to be nice to my neighbors! Every once in a while, when I see that all my neighbors are out of the house, I crank it up a bit.
Posted by: rubbertoe

Re: VP180 - 10/15/10 01:24 PM

I didn't even get a chance to write "I received THE email" before they arrived (18 hrs from shipment to arrival)! I still have to give them (VP180, 2 - M80v.3's) the once-over to make sure Purolator's tradtional handling hasn't caused any damage and set them up (they were sent to my dad's place - the homes of retired parents are great for sending courier shipments) but here's a pic of the monolithic trio and my dog, Penelope, the border collie mix (for a size reference).



(just kidding, she's a 4-pound Papi-Shi)
Posted by: alan

Re: VP180 - 10/15/10 01:35 PM

Cute! (I mean the little dog.) I'm sure you'll love the new VP180 and M80 v3s.

Cheers,
Alan
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: VP180 - 10/15/10 01:52 PM

Congrats! Great Photo! smile
Posted by: pmbuko

Re: VP180 - 10/15/10 01:57 PM

I especially like the one on the left. It's haut.
Posted by: 2x6spds

Re: VP180 - 10/15/10 03:44 PM

You can take a "My Master's Voice" picture down the road.


Posted by: Hansang

Re: VP180 - 10/15/10 06:07 PM

Sweet! I'm next. Just ordered the VP180. M22 - for height speakers - and Denon A100/4311 is next! And how did I manage the VP180 approval from my SWMBO? I fixed the dryer (thank you, Internet!). After fixing it, I mentioned..."you know, I just saved us $1500....how about I get that speaker I wanted?" I have to admit, it was well played! wink

A while back, I asked about using the M80 horizontally, so I made a full circle!
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 10/15/10 08:35 PM

I would like to raise the front of my VP180 a bit so it points slightly more up. Would you guys think it would be OK to untwist the front rubber feet in order to achieve this or will this create to much force on the thread?
Posted by: 1sweetspot

Re: VP180 - 10/15/10 08:56 PM

Originally Posted By: bdpf
I would like to raise the front of my VP180 a bit so it points slightly more up. Would you guys think it would be OK to untwist the front rubber feet in order to achieve this or will this create to much force on the thread?


Door stoppers work good smile
Posted by: 2x6spds

Re: VP180 - 10/16/10 01:23 AM

My VP150 sits on a shelf under my TV. I aimed the VP up by putting 2 rubber door stop wedges under the speaker.

Wedge - a very simple tool.
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: VP180 - 10/16/10 12:45 PM

I think Hockey Pucks are the preferred method.
Posted by: jakewash

Re: VP180 - 10/16/10 12:57 PM

Only if you are Canadian or prefer the authentic Canadian sound, those pucks add that certain something to it. wink
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 10/16/10 03:31 PM

So I guess simply untwisting the rubber feet to raise the front a bit won't work?
Posted by: RickF

Re: VP180 - 10/16/10 05:15 PM

That's too boring.
Posted by: Jc

Re: VP180 - 10/16/10 05:23 PM

Originally Posted By: bdpf
So I guess simply untwisting the rubber feet to raise the front a bit won't work?

Hi bdpf,
Untwisting the rubber feet is not a solution and should be avoided. Doing so will push the metal insert inside the enclosure; the rubber surface of the rubber foot needs to be in full contact with the enclosure.

The VP180 has a flat side (usually used as the bottom one) and its opposite side usually the top one) is angled. You can set the VP180 on its angled side to be used as the bottom one. Doing so will direct its output upwards. You can use the rubber feet to decouple it from its resting surface if you wish. Hockey pucks are also a perfect alternative and might even work better for Canadians and hockey fans.
Posted by: Adrian

Re: VP180 - 10/16/10 05:44 PM

Couldn't you use a spacer of sorts in between the foot and the cabinet so ie it's no different than if it were normally mounted? as long as you have sufficient thread engagement(at least 1 1/2 times or greater than the diameter of the thread), I think you'd be ok.
Posted by: bdpf

Re: VP180 - 10/17/10 10:57 AM

Thanks, I'll give that a try.
Posted by: Jc

Re: VP180 - 10/17/10 11:19 AM

Hi,
Make sure that your spacer will be supported by the enclosure surface and not the metal insert. You could use longer bolt if you need a thicker spacer.