M22 in walls upside down?

Posted by: shoeless

M22 in walls upside down? - 11/01/11 04:42 PM

My VP100 center channel is going to have to be above my projector screen and I will angle it down towards the listening area. To better "blend" the sound with my in wall m22's I want to raise up the m22's to be closer to the center channel. I figure a good way to cheat in this regard is to turn the 22's upside down, so the tweeters can be closer to ear level, while the majority of the sounds comes from higher up the wall. Can I do this without negatively affecting the sound quality? Thanks
Posted by: SirQuack

Re: M22 in walls upside down? - 11/01/11 05:19 PM

Currently does it sound like the dialog is coming from the center of the screen, which would be good? Otherwise, I think that would work, as long as they would lock in place upsides down. I don't think the onwalls will allow this, but if you have the "inwall" version it should work.
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: M22 in walls upside down? - 11/01/11 05:23 PM

Alan recently recommended *against* mounting in-cabinet M60's upside-down. I'd call Axiom, and/or post a picture or something.
Posted by: shoeless

Re: M22 in walls upside down? - 11/01/11 05:38 PM

Haven't mounted them yet, just trying to figure out if it causes a proboem to hang 'em that way. Alan's comments on the m60's are what triggered my thinking about it.

I recall JC saying he thought it was OK, but I can't remember where I saw it.
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: M22 in walls upside down? - 11/01/11 06:49 PM

Originally Posted By: TT
Alan recently recommended *against* mounting in-cabinet M60's upside-down.

Originally Posted By: SL
I recall JC saying he thought it was OK

Ooooh! Let's make 'em fight it out!!!
Posted by: SirQuack

Re: M22 in walls upside down? - 11/01/11 06:54 PM

Why are you wanting to mount the M22's so high, just curious, and why not mount the center below the screen?
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: M22 in walls upside down? - 11/01/11 07:45 PM

Or buy 2 sets. Mount one high and one low. lol. Click on the link in my signature line.
Posted by: shoeless

Re: M22 in walls upside down? - 11/01/11 10:41 PM

No place to put the center channel below. Hard to explain, but projector screen drops out of header at room divide. When screen is up, the thruway can't have anything blockng it.
Posted by: grunt

Re: M22 in walls upside down? - 11/02/11 01:21 AM

I had an M80 center upside down above my HDTV with my M80 L/R mains right side up on either side in my apartment and it sounded great. However before actually mounting the M22s you might want to try them out siting on something about the height you want to mount them. Try them both upside down and right side up. My hunch is that you will get a better soundstage by having the center and mains tweeters near each other and the mid-ranges closer to your ears. With the tweeters on the bottom farther away from the center I think itís more likely you will get a vertical disconnect between the center and the mains. Also, itís my experience that having the midrange drivers at ear level is more important than the tweeters. I believe Alan has commented on the a few times. But really nothing works like trying out both options and picking the one that sounds best no matter what theory or other people say works for them.
Posted by: jakewash

Re: M22 in walls upside down? - 11/02/11 02:26 AM

Gotta try it for yourself and see if you like the way they sound or not.
Posted by: alan

Re: M22 in walls upside down? - 11/02/11 10:35 AM

Hi shoeless and all,

I tend to recommend against upside-down mounting only because no-one at Axiom has ever done blind listening tests to standard vs. inverted speakers. I'm sure it will affect the soundstage and the spectral/tonal balance, but to what degree I just don't know. Of course you could try them out inverted and if they sound great to you that way, then fine. All our speakers are designed, measured and listened-to in standard non-inverted orientation--that's how they'll optimally perform.

Besides, the midranges/tweeters have effective enough off-axis dispersion that the soundstage blend with the center aimed down should merge effectively. Problems arise if the center is more than 2 feet above the top of the screen, which is why the over/under placement of two centers is the most effective of all.

Regards,
Alan