Perfect Centre for the M22

Posted by: axiom_man

Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/02/12 12:17 PM

Ok,
now that the M60 have the perfect fit with the VP160 and the M80's have the VP180. What is the perfect mate for the M22's.
or will they be making a new VP122 wink
Posted by: Murph

Re: Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/02/12 12:23 PM

Another M22...............
Posted by: axiom_man

Re: Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/02/12 12:31 PM

yeh, I know but I want a horizontal speaker
Posted by: ClubNeon

Re: Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/02/12 12:40 PM

I have a VP150 paired with my M22s. It has the same drivers, and sounds good enough. But if I had the space I'd have another M22.
Posted by: tomtuttle

Re: Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/02/12 12:47 PM

I'd be more concerned with "quality" rather than "matching".

The VP100 has the same driver complement in a sealed cabinet, but I don't think many would suggest that you should get a VP100 if you can afford the cost and space of a VP150, 160 or 180.

Like Chris and Murph said, if you really want to "match", another M22 is the ultimate.
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/02/12 02:00 PM

I found that the VP150 sounded better with my M22's than the VP100 did. I currently have M22's and a VP160, which I like even better. A full sized VP100 might have made the difference though, I was using an in/on wall model.
Posted by: axiom_man

Re: Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/02/12 08:56 PM

Like I said ^^^^ an M22 upright is not an option. And for the exact same reasons the VP160 and 180 was designed and developed for the M60/80's I want to know which is the best fit for the M22.
Vp100 is not going to happen, like I said in another post the room is 13.5 x 18.5 x 7.5.
I just want a perfect blend from left to right. I like the bookshelf speakers for home theatre, moreso than floorstanding, so not quite fond of going the M60 route. If I need to I might consider the new K-Kreisel system.
M60's will happen upstairs for music.

I just want a match like the M60/VP160 or M80/VP180's are. Also, not really fond of buying alot of centres to try them out to send half back.
Posted by: axiom_man

Re: Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/02/12 09:04 PM

never mind, there is the VP100.
Posted by: Stilljoe

Re: Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/02/12 10:45 PM

VP150 has received a lot of flak in some forums in the past year, but this spring my wife and I went to the Axiom factory and A/B compared the 150 and the 160 in their listening room - blind test.
As it turned out the speaker we both preferred turned out to be the 150. So that's what's in my basement now.
In the shop it was paired with M60s and QS8s.
Much of the negativity has focussed on off-axis performance, but in a relatively narrow room, that can't be an issue; I just can't get that far off-axis.
Why not email Axiom? Brent originally suggested the VP150 for me, and after listening to both, I guess he was right.
Posted by: JobvanZ

Re: Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/03/12 12:12 AM

Stilljoe, what is the size of your room? I'm currently deciding on a setup with M22s and either a VP150 or VP160.
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/03/12 10:07 AM

VP160 if it fits, if not the VP150. Both go well sonically with the M22. The VP150 is a better sonic match, but the VP160 provides additional lower end, and still blends in quite well, IMO.
Posted by: axiom_man

Re: Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/03/12 05:11 PM

No reall concerned about the bottom end as I will most likely set the cutoff at 80hz across the front three. So I really don't think I will notice much.
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/03/12 05:17 PM

I set the cutoff at 80Hz across the front three also. The VP160 does provide lower, but mostly in the male vocal range, that I have noticed.
Posted by: casey01

Re: Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/03/12 05:52 PM

The larger full-range center like the 160 and 180, even with the cutoff, in my opinion anyway, tends to provide a more "natural" sound to the human voice as opposed to the smaller centers like the 150 that tend to predominate in the 300-500HZ range and what I have always thought to be a more "boxy" somewhat less realistic sound.
Posted by: JohnK

Re: Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/03/12 09:31 PM

Troy, then since you'll be using a good sub and crossing the center over at 80Hz, a good choice is the M2. It has the identical tweeter over mid-range as the VP160 and above about 80Hz is nearly identical to the M22(the dual drivers in the M22 would allow for louder output in the upper bass and mid-range). If the height of the M22 makes it unacceptable for use as a center in your setup, note that the 11 1/2" height of the M2 is identical to the VP160 height and would fit in the same vertical space.
Posted by: Stilljoe

Re: Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/03/12 10:04 PM

Originally Posted By: JobvanZ
Stilljoe, what is the size of your room? I'm currently deciding on a setup with M22s and either a VP150 or VP160.

My room is just 16 X 11 X 7.5. TV mounted on a short wall with the VP150 below on a cabinet, tilted up (by turning it over and flipping the grille). Fronts are (very) old Boston Acoustics floorstanders until later this year, when I can hopefully pick up M60s. I sit 8-9 feet back from the TV and centre speaker.
Majority opinion would say the 160 is more desirable. We found both good but - personal preference - we liked the 150 better.
Posted by: axiom_man

Re: Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/03/12 10:47 PM

Originally Posted By: JohnK
Troy, then since you'll be using a good sub and crossing the center over at 80Hz, a good choice is the M2. It has the identical tweeter over mid-range as the VP160 and above about 80Hz is nearly identical to the M22(the dual drivers in the M22 would allow for louder output in the upper bass and mid-range). If the height of the M22 makes it unacceptable for use as a center in your setup, note that the 11 1/2" height of the M2 is identical to the VP160 height and would fit in the same vertical space.


I am just concerned a bit about performance levels. My room is
a bit over 2100sq ft.
I am taking the M22 into work we have a board room pretty well the size of what my movie room is going to be. IBrent emailed my today with my question and it maybe I might have to go with the M60's
Posted by: axiom_man

Re: Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/03/12 10:48 PM

I have this feeling my daughter maybe a happy campr this spring wink
Posted by: JohnK

Re: Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/03/12 11:03 PM

There's some disconnect here. The M60s can't play "louder" than the M22s(or for that matter, the M2s)except in the bass. Both the M22 and M60 use the same single tweeter above about 3000Hz. The M22 uses two rather than one 5 1/4" mid-range drivers, so if anything, it would have higher level capability in the mid-range than the M60. The size of the enclosure is significant with regard to bass level and extension, but has nothing to do with mid-range or treble, which is entirely a function of the driver or drivers employed for those frequencies.
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/03/12 11:14 PM

Concerning M2 for center. I tried that and found it inadequate.
Posted by: fredk

Re: Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/04/12 12:08 AM

Originally Posted By: CatBrat
Concerning M2 for center. I tried that and found it inadequate.

I have two. Am I twice as inadequate? wink

The M2s blend very well with the M80.
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: Perfect Centre for the M22 - 10/04/12 08:03 AM

Originally Posted By: fredk
Originally Posted By: CatBrat
Concerning M2 for center. I tried that and found it inadequate.

I have two. Am I twice as inadequate? wink

The M2s blend very well with the M80.


Vocals in movies were improved when I went with bigger speakers.
It may be with the added low end of the M80 you are not noticing the difference as much as with M22 mains.