I'm back with questions after agonizing over my past posts. Here's my thinking: Through the factory outlet I can buy M22's with stands (I need stands) for $600. For an additional $292 I can buy the M60's. I have an older 12" speakerlab sub that was made for digital reproduction and seems to do the trick. I contacted speakerlab about any upgrades to this system (I also have the satellites) and they answered that the only upgrades would be cosmetic. Frankly I didn't believe them. They don't seem to carry any similar systes in their inventory now. But the sub is satisfying...so for now I'll keep it until it's death or I have some more cash.

I am inclined toward the M60's for a few reasons, but I am a novice so I need to check with forum regulars. I like the idea of a floor standing speaker system that fits my room dimensions and one that potentially delivers a smooth sound spectrum from the highs to mid low's. The sub will only be used for the lowest levels down to about 25Hz. As mentioned in my other postings, I am mostly an exclusively classical music listener and sometime orchestral semi professional. But the orchestral sound is very different from the perspective of a tympanist vis a vis an audience member sitting front and center...and that's where I want to be. So will a few hundred bucks more for the M60's be worth my while over and against the M22's? I am talking strictly sound now. I have a pretty good ear and although I can't audition the speakers (and I am reluctant to test drive them because I am lazy and don't want the hassle of returning them), so if the M60's prove to be smoother which is my expectation I'd like confirmation. Burst my bubble if my suspicion is wrong...I'd rather an honest opinion.

One other question, I am also thinking of upgrading to either a Denon avr 1909 or 2309. Ant thoughts about this other than a little more power and a dedicated phono jack for the 2309? Are these amps as hard to set up as I've been reading? I am also considering their more common twins the avr 789 and 889. Thanks for your help.....Lee

I've never heard 22's, but the 60's will give you better bass performance than the 22's, 37hz versus 60hz.

Go with the 60's. Not to diss your sub, but when I hear a sub made for "digital reproduction" I think some marketing guy came up with that. Then I automatically think gimmick, waste of money, etc. Again, never heard of the sub and it may be really good -at least until you hear an Axiom or SVS sub

The 60's will go deeper and have more impact. For a few extra dollars, you get 'peace of mind'. You won't have to wonder what if....

What was the size of your room again? The M60 will fill a larger area on top of having a "fuller range" of sound.

I would concur with the others, if you have the space, definitely go with the M60's. I originally had the M22's in a L/R configuration and as good as they sound I found that when it came to a home theater OR musical application where you are listening at reasonably high volume levels along with the dynamics to go with them, the M22's strained a little bit at the medium low end. That is where a full range speaker like the M60 shines because it can handle that without any problem. In that respect, at least in my opinion and being able to compare the two set-ups, I have found full range speakers like the M60 actually integrate better with subs than a bookshelf speaker like the M22.

What the other gentlemen said. I'm delighted with my M60's.

hardly a waste of money....

Having to buy stands, tends to negate some of the $$ difference between towers and bookshelfs.

Another vote for the M60s. I have both and, while the M22s are an exceptional speaker for the money, the M60s are a very big step up in filling the room and meshing with a sub. Given the need for stands with the 22s, I'd say it's a no-brainer.

Denon receivers are not necessarily hard to set up. The problem is when you try to figure anything out by using the manual. It's written in English, but apparently by someone who's never really used the language to explain something. Most of the time the on screen menus are plain enough to manage. If you run into a snag, it's much easier to ask for help on this forum.

I second the Denon point. 99% of your questions will be answered on the remote, unit face, or GUI. Once you have to go to the book, it will be a search. But that is rare. (of course, my unit is old, so perhaps that is not as true with the new fangled thing-a-ma-jigs they add now. Better ignore my post.)

Well using the "digital" term was my terminology (I used to sell used cars). I bought the sub/satellite system in 1979 when digital records were in infancy. I heard Holst's Suites for Military Band with Fennell and the Cleveland Winds on a Telarc recording on this system and I was blown away. The sound was so real and present. I had to have the system in spite of my now ex-wife's wrath (which I knew was coming).

The sub sound can be kinda loose (boomy) but I can tighten it up with a slight loss in sub volume.

Frankly, I haven't heard the latest generation of subs from any brand, but I have researched Epik, SVS, HSU and of course Axiom. I really don't know what I am missing. If I were go with Axiom it would most likely be the EP350.

About 1950 cu feet with the ceiling slopping upwards. The maximum height of the ceiling would be over the speaker system.

Well unanimity in favor of my preference. That is good news and very comforting. Thank you all...Lee

I love Holst The Planets on my Axioms.