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Curious Audio Advice
#104202 07/12/05 05:47 PM
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Audio Advice from the Mapleshade Handbook for Good Music and Good Sound

These gems are pulled directly from the Summer '05 edition of the above named handbook/catalog.

  • Almost everyone sits way too far from their speakers, that is, 8' to 10' or more. Try a low chair (or floor pillow) 5' away. You'll hear a phenomenal increase in clarity, bass impact and soundstage--roughly like spending 100% more on your speakers.
  • Nearly everybody sits too high. The "tweeters at ear level" rule sounds logical but fails when tested. For a test, sit on one or two phone books: you'll hear an amazing new warmth and fullness in baritone voice, trombones, tenor sax, plucked bass--and a far more natural treble balance.
  • Remove your speaker's cloth or foam grill. Snip off any plastic pjase ring in front of the tweeter. You'll hear as much as 100% improvement in treble.
  • NEVER use speaker cables shorter than 8'. Amazinglyh, 4' sounds much wordse than 8'. Contrary to common belief, shorter interconnects (2m or less) and longer speaker cables sound WAY BETTER than the opposite--based on extensive head-to-head tests.
  • For seamless subwoofer sound, use only the speaker cable input, not the RCA input. Always fire the subwoofer driver left or right, not at you or down into the floor.
  • Contrary to manufacturer hype, subwoofer placement is crucial. To get clean bass attacks, subs must be precisely (+/-1") the same distance from your ear as the midrange driver. Corner placement always leads to boom. Also, subs sound much cleaner on cones than on spikes or rummer feet.
  • If you have bi-wirable speakers with brass jumper plates, replace the terrible-sounding plates with bare, unstranded copper wire. If you bi-wire, separate the treble and bass cables by 1' or more; bundling wires will ruin most of the bi-wire advantage. Bi-wiring is worth doing only for cables with limited bass and treble.
  • You may not be into stero gear. But if you enjoy listening to music, sometimes you must wonder whether your speakers sound good enough. Startling as it may seem, you ought to be just as concerned about your audio cables. I've heard $2000 speakers with off-the-rack wires that sounded worse than little $100 Radio Shacks with good cables.
  • Just like your speaker cables, the wires that hook up your CD player to your amp (the interconnects) can make as much or more difference than your speakers. Everyone suffers from culture shock when they first see the weird cellophane-like sleeve wrapped around our two thin ribbon wires. But the fact that our wire is forty times thinner than conventional wire and has 100 times less plastic is precisely why so much more music comes through. You hear more bass, more treble, more quiet details, more slam on the attacks--just those things that make music more exciting, more emotionally gripping.
  • Weight on top of speakers, amps, CD players, transformers, turntables, and power supplies can tighten bass, clean up treble, and clarify midrange detail.
  • too much weight, wrong placement, or wrong materials seriously degrade potential improvements. Don't use lead, sand, concrete, brick, stone, corian or damped laminates. Of course, brass is still best; next iron, then wood.
  • To audibly improve any cheap interconnect, use a razor to carefully peel the thin plastic insulation off the braided metal you'll find underneath. Split 2-channel interconnects and separate the two by several inches. Cut head shrink and plastic strain reliefs off the back of RCA plugs and remove their metal barrels (if possible). Among generic wires, choose the skinniest for best sound.

Anyone else find any of this advice curious, to say the least?

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#104203 07/12/05 07:29 PM
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Interesting advice indeed.
The one thing I would agree with, in my scenario, is the sub firing to the right or left and not in a corner or directly to my face. I did Alans crawl tests and found that a right or left location was much better.

The idea of removing grills for better treble is a must try....I am sure someone will agree that grilles sometimes muffle sounds.



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#104204 07/12/05 07:33 PM
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Fascinating, Jim. Most illogical. "Thinner is better." Dollars to donuts, the Mapleshade guys don't like Axioms. Thinner, unless I miss the mark, means that the treble will be rounded off. And that's what a lot of the physical stuff they talk about doing seems to be aimed at.


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#104205 07/12/05 07:56 PM
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Perhaps I'm alone here but I find most of that complete BS and as JohnK would say "Complete nonsense from a charlatan"!.............or something along those lines!


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I wonder what Ratpack will have to say about this advice?

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#104207 07/12/05 09:33 PM
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Sooo true

I have also found that wearing my fuzzy wool sweater on dry days can also have a negative impact on the highs and lows. In fact it can even invert the soundstage.

I suspect the material is conflicting with the grill fabic and is inducing a static electric field into my listening environment.



It's no wonder that Axiom will soon be selling listening jumpsuits and accessories for the discerning audiophile made from only sheep raised in the Dwight Highlands.








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#104208 07/13/05 02:40 AM
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- Sit Closer to your speaker
- Adjust Your listening hight
- Put Weight on speakers

Maybe I should try sitting on the M80's while listening ?


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#104209 07/13/05 02:42 AM
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Sounds are somewhat muffled when I wear the speaker grills over my ears. . .

Seriously, though, I keep the grills off because I like looking at the tweeter and woofer. I really can't tell if there is a difference in sound.


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#104210 07/13/05 02:54 AM
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Check the catalog date again.......are you sure it wasen't April?

Early, early........early, April?

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#104211 07/13/05 02:57 AM
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Here's the one I loved:

"NEVER use speaker cables shorter than 8'"

Imagine that, they're advocating you buy longer and more expensive speaker wires. Hmmm, I wonder where you should buy them from?

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Yeah John, you got it right, but I'd probably add "...preying on the gullible". When I first ran across the Mapleshade audio "products" site, for a moment I thought it was akin to these products available to lucky British audiophiles, but I soon saw that they were serious and snakeoil salesmen of a most reprehensible sort. Here's another one of their numerous beauties.


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All I can say is WOW. That is really interesting. I am going to have to change a lot of my listening habits and change a lot of my equipment to get a great sound. Thanks for the AWESOME tips.





This goes right along with my reply to the post in Technical Questions: 7 channel amp.

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In reply to:

Almost everyone sits way too far from their speakers, that is, 8' to 10' or more. Try a low chair (or floor pillow) 5' away. You'll hear a phenomenal increase in clarity, bass impact and soundstage--roughly like spending 100% more on your speakers.




If I sat that far I'd be sitting inside a wall.

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Remove your speaker's cloth or foam grill. Snip off any plastic pjase ring in front of the tweeter. You'll hear as much as 100% improvement in treble.




Sure.. if the grill is made of wood.

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NEVER use speaker cables shorter than 8'. Amazinglyh, 4' sounds much wordse than 8'. Contrary to common belief, shorter interconnects (2m or less) and longer speaker cables sound WAY BETTER than the opposite--based on extensive head-to-head tests




They make cables, right? More length = more profit for them. So.. duh as to why they put this in their advice.

In reply to:

Contrary to manufacturer hype, subwoofer placement is crucial. To get clean bass attacks, subs must be precisely (+/-1") the same distance from your ear as the midrange driver. Corner placement always leads to boom. Also, subs sound much cleaner on cones than on spikes or rummer feet.




Most sub manufacturers stress subwoofer position constantly.

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You may not be into stero gear. But if you enjoy listening to music, sometimes you must wonder whether your speakers sound good enough. Startling as it may seem, you ought to be just as concerned about your audio cables. I've heard $2000 speakers with off-the-rack wires that sounded worse than little $100 Radio Shacks with good cables.




M80tis + VTF-3 with real cheap wire off partsexpress > cheap radioshack speakers.

Again, they're obviously trying to sell their more expensive cables.

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Just like your speaker cables, the wires that hook up your CD player to your amp (the interconnects) can make as much or more difference than your speakers. Everyone suffers from culture shock when they first see the weird cellophane-like sleeve wrapped around our two thin ribbon wires. But the fact that our wire is forty times thinner than conventional wire and has 100 times less plastic is precisely why so much more music comes through. You hear more bass, more treble, more quiet details, more slam on the attacks--just those things that make music more exciting, more emotionally gripping.




Science, blind listening tests, and common sense say otherwise.

Less music comes through since they're so thin which is why they sound different. Different != better. In this case, different = distortion.

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Weight on top of speakers, amps, CD players, transformers, turntables, and power supplies can tighten bass, clean up treble, and clarify midrange detail.




Thanks a lot - I'll be sure to rest dumbells on my new receiver. What kind would be better though? Cast iron, the ones with plastic black sides opposed to all metal? What weight, also? 20 lbs, 35 lbs, 50 lbs? Should it be a certain percentage of the weight of the piece of gear? I'll try 20 and work up from there, and report if I hear any differences.

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too much weight.. seriously degrade potential improvements.




Wait a second! The guy just told me to rest my max-out benching set on the amp, and now he tells me too much weight will degrade performance?

Try to make up your mind, which myth is it?

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Don't use lead, sand, concrete, brick, stone, corian or damped laminates. Of course, brass is still best; next iron, then wood.




This is good advice. Try to avoid sandmade cables, concrete CD players, brick receivers, and stone speakers. This is a pretty common newbie mistake due to the high availibility of these products in brick & mortar stores.

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To audibly improve any cheap interconnect, use a razor to carefully peel the thin plastic insulation off the braided metal you'll find underneath. Split 2-channel interconnects and separate the two by several inches. Cut head shrink and plastic strain reliefs off the back of RCA plugs and remove their metal barrels (if possible). Among generic wires, choose the skinniest for best sound.




I'm too busy laughing at the last comment to respond to this one.

Thanks for posting, pm.

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It seems like both pages were designed by the same person :-) It is truly amazing what people can get away with!

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Satcure was great, I have already placed my order for the UNIQUE UV-TAPE, and am researching how to build a nitrogen chamber so all my connections are perfect. Still LMAO.


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Yea I couldnt believe how much they are charging for the Ox-Away Aerosol spray! You can now buy it for the low, low price of £367.00 for 20cc aerosol. This can contains platinum, gold, and other precious metals. LMAO!

Anyone else want to buy it so we can save shipping?

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"This is good advice. Try to avoid sandmade cables, concrete CD players, brick receivers, and stone speakers. This is a pretty common newbie mistake due to the high availibility of these products in brick & mortar stores."


That was the funniest post I have ever read on here. I read it three time and could not stop myself from laughing out loud every time. Good one.


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>>Weight on top of speakers, amps, CD players, transformers, turntables, and power supplies can tighten bass, clean up treble, and clarify midrange detail.

Oh no, I crushed my turntable !! It sounded really good just before the dust cover collapsed though...


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I have mixed feeling about Mapleshade. As goofy as thier "advice" is, they do make excellent recordings. I have one of thier sampler CDs and it sound wonderful - more like a well miked live recording than a studio cut but still a studio recording (does this make sense?).

P.S. I often wonder if my Maggies are leaking too much "radioactivity". Maybe I'll get some of that "Unique" silicone rubber and smear it on my Maggie's socks - front and back.


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It's no wonder that Axiom will soon be selling listening jumpsuits and accessories for the discerning audiophile made from only sheep raised in the Dwight Highlands.




Hey, what's the ETA on these listening jumpsuits. I'm all for this idea.

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I missed this old thread the first time around........but I suspect most here, would never pay big$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for an official factory listening jumpsuit, and are busy making their own.


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