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#121509 - 12/21/05 12:31 PM Factory Outlet lead time
raz_la Offline
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Registered: 07/07/05
Posts: 39
Loc: Baltimore, Maryland
I'm just about ready to "pull the trigger" on a pair of Black Oak M60's from the Factory Outlet and have noticed that the lead time for delivery has, in the past day or so, doubled.

Yesterday, it was 2 weeks and today it's 4 weeks. How is that determined by Axiom?, just curious. Not a big deal, but I have set myself a deadline of +/- February 19th (Daytona 500) and I'm trying to plan, accordingly.
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#121510 - 12/21/05 12:38 PM Re: Factory Outlet lead time
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Registered: 01/29/04
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Once you place your order the date will hold, so you will get it on or before the date of the time of order. Most people get it sooner than the date at the time of order. The date fluctuates based on manufacturing schedules and orders placed using the factory outlet.


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#121511 - 12/21/05 12:53 PM Re: Factory Outlet lead time
raz_la Offline
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Registered: 07/07/05
Posts: 39
Loc: Baltimore, Maryland
Forgive me if this comes across the wrong way, but Factory Outlet items, in my mind, are "mistakes" that Company 'A' has made and are sold at a discounted price. If that is true, then Company 'A' needs to predict how many mistakes it's going to make?, seems kinda odd.

None of this has or will influence my purchasing of Axiom products, I'm just a detail oriented planner and found it interesting.

O.K., there's your "boring post of the day"...Happy Holidays to All.
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#121512 - 12/21/05 01:03 PM Re: Factory Outlet lead time
bugbitten Offline
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Registered: 04/06/05
Posts: 2339
Loc: Madisonville, KY
The longer the wait, the fewer cosmetic problems Axiom is having. That's a good thing.

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#121513 - 12/21/05 01:45 PM Re: Factory Outlet lead time
Amie Offline
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Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 1620
We don't have very much staff turnover at Axiom (I'm a newbie at 5 years) so we have a fairly consistent number of Factory Outlets in each run - the experienced team performs pretty much at the same level all the time. When one run sells out of our predicted number of Factory Outlets, we begin to sell the next run, but if you bought into run 1, that's the run you'll get. I home that is clearer, not more confusing!
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#121514 - 12/21/05 02:18 PM Re: Factory Outlet lead time
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Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5415
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
In geek-speak, the percentage of cosmetic defects is modelled as a constant, so :

1. The model for factory outlet stock "production" is purely a function of the size and timing of upcoming manufacturing runs.

2. The model for factory outlet stock availability (timing) is a function of existing orders for factory outlet product (backlog) and the forecast for "production" (based on variable mfg plans and constant defect rate)

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#121515 - 12/21/05 02:40 PM Re: Factory Outlet lead time
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I hear if you send Amie chocolate, she might sneak your speakers out to you sooner....
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#121516 - 12/21/05 02:58 PM Re: Factory Outlet lead time
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Registered: 02/08/04
Posts: 1846
i ordered my ep600 from the f.o. and the website said 3weeks, and i got my speaker in 5 days... and as far as non A quality, me and 4 of my buddies went over my 600 when it arrived, and none of use could find 1 thing wrong with it... so if a group of 4 people "looking for mistakes" cant find any, then they must be pretty damn small.... i still dont know why my speaker was a F.O. item...

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#121517 - 12/21/05 03:01 PM Re: Factory Outlet lead time
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Registered: 01/29/04
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Loc: Iowa
I agree with dakkon, in my mind they are not considered mistakes by any stretch of the imagination. I've purchased all of my speakers from the FO, and yet have found no cosmetic issues. My guess is they are overruns of inventory, but not sure. I did a poll a long time ago, and about 60% of the people order from the FO with no problems.
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#121518 - 12/21/05 08:01 PM Re: Factory Outlet lead time
LightninJoe Offline
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Registered: 10/28/05
Posts: 558
Loc: Portland, OR
In reply to:

me and 4 of my buddies went over my 600 when it arrived, and none of use could find 1 thing wrong with it




No kidding. My whole setup is FO and I never found a defect. I think Axiom should have a "find the defect" discount on FO merch. If you can find and document the defect that caused the item to be sent to FO you get 2% off your next order. I don't think they would lose much.
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#121519 - 12/21/05 10:58 PM Re: Factory Outlet lead time
raz_la Offline
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Registered: 07/07/05
Posts: 39
Loc: Baltimore, Maryland
Like I said, I WILL be ordering from the Factory Outlet without hesitation. I just found it interesting and you know what they say..."Inquiry minds want to know", or something like that.
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#121520 - 12/22/05 09:42 AM Re: Factory Outlet lead time
bridgman Offline
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Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5415
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
I just want to stress that the Factory Outlet is primarily there to handle minor cosmetic defects and you ARE going to get visible (but generally very small) dings and marks on the products some times. My QS8s did arrive with noticeable marks on them (like someone had pushed a thumbnail hard into one corner), although you couldn't see the marks from more than a couple of feet away.

Just don't want anyone to be disappointed...

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#121521 - 12/22/05 12:39 PM Re: Factory Outlet lead time
Amie Offline
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Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 1620
In reply to:

I hear if you send Amie chocolate, she might sneak your speakers out to you sooner....




Peter is totally making that up! Seriously!

That's Axiom Audio
Highway 60
Dwight, ON
P0A 1H0
ATT: AMIE COLQUHOUN - PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL!!!

{giggles}

BTW, John is right - the speakers have to pass a distance test, meaning from a normal viewing position would you be able to see the flaw. If yes, we part the cabinet out. But you can see it if you are looking for it.

Regarding the discount if you find the blemish, I can suddenly see people scratching up their speakers and calling in for two percent! Shudder!

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#121522 - 12/22/05 12:42 PM Re: Factory Outlet lead time
Ajax Offline
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Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6251
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
Good Point, John. After having my M60s for a couple of weeks, the light fell on one just right, and I noticed a flaw ithat occured in the production of the vinyl itself. There was an identical mark on each one, abeit in a different location. the marks were so slight that no one would ever notice unless they were looking for them, and the light was just right. So, slight flaws CAN be found. However, I think I should emphasize the word "SLIGHT."
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#121523 - 12/22/05 12:43 PM Re: Factory Outlet lead time
Ajax Offline
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Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6251
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
LOL! She's so SUBTLE! Too funny!
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#121524 - 12/22/05 02:42 PM Re: Factory Outlet lead time
bugbitten Offline
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Registered: 04/06/05
Posts: 2339
Loc: Madisonville, KY
Subtle and funny!

I understand she thin too.

I wonder what all the chocolates will do!

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#121525 - 12/22/05 02:49 PM Re: Factory Outlet lead time
Ajax Offline
axiomite

Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6251
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
Wouldn't matter to me. You gotta love a lady with a sense of humor that wonderful?!
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#121526 - 12/22/05 03:18 PM Re: Factory Outlet lead time
real80sman Offline
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Registered: 05/16/02
Posts: 1124
Loc: Ontario, Canada
I had the pleasure of meeting Amie for the first time earlier this month. She is an absolute delight to talk to. The one word that consistently comes to mind when I think of her is "CLASS".
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#121527 - 12/23/05 05:27 PM Re: Factory Outlet lead time
pmbuko Offline
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Registered: 04/02/03
Posts: 16280
Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
In reply to:

The one word that consistently comes to mind when I think of her is "CLASS".


Which class, math, english, biology?
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