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#122671 - 01/02/06 12:01 PM m22ti and VP100
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Registered: 08/16/05
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Loc: Peterborough, ON
Hi Guys,
I recently picked up a pair of m22ti's to accompany my VP100. I am just trying them out so i can figure out what I want to do. Let me just say, to begin with I wanted the m60ti's, but after hearing the m22ti's I love them. Unbelievable. But I am concerned whether or not they'll be enough in the long run. I pushed them fairly hard, no bass I have a sub, and they really go load without clipping. I was just wondering what everyone else's experience is with them. My other concern is that the vp100 doesn't seem to keep up with the m22's. I wonder if this is the amp? I figured that they should be a perfect match!?
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#122672 - 01/02/06 01:39 PM Re: m22ti and VP100
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Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 1235
Loc: Moorhead, Minnesota/US
I have the VP100 matched with M22s. I think the CC matches perfectly. I've always had this little voice in the back of my head telling me that the M22s are good, but could be better. I am probably in the minority in this opinion, but I'm going to say it, anyway. As impressed as I was with the M22s when I first purchased them, I was more impressed with the VP100. Maybe it was the fact that the CC was so small in size, but yet performs so well.

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#122673 - 01/02/06 01:59 PM Re: m22ti and VP100
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Registered: 08/16/05
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Loc: Peterborough, ON
So then you think I should hold off for the m60's?
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#122674 - 01/02/06 02:10 PM Re: m22ti and VP100
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I've never heard the M60s and I wouldn't want to sway you either way. They are many on the board who own both and could be a better judge than I. Don't get me wrong, the M22s are fine speakers. They started me off on my HT journey. I liked them well enough to purchase the VP100 and the QS8 surrounds. If you really like the M22s and have a good sub to handle the low end , I wouldn't suggest you spend the extra $ on the M60s unless your sure you need a floorstander.

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#122675 - 01/02/06 02:16 PM Re: m22ti and VP100
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Loc: Peterborough, ON
My sub actually isn't anything noteworthy, actually I really dislike it. But I can't seem to find a sub that feels natural without being muddy. So far I really liked a 12" Velodyne I saw. I also had a line on a Cerwin Vega 15" sub for $500 CND. But I am not sure....
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#122676 - 01/02/06 02:21 PM Re: m22ti and VP100
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Have a look at Hsu and SVS. Well, I suppose that might be difficult, with them lacking in B&M stores, but if you can find someone to audition them for you that might help. I spent a long time shopping for subs before I got mine (which I now believe is nothing special, but it's certainly not horrid and boomy). I know what you're talking about with the muddy. Keep looking...
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#122677 - 01/02/06 02:32 PM Re: m22ti and VP100
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Registered: 01/05/05
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Loc: Bainbridge Island, WA
I started with the M22s and later upgraded to the M60s (just because I wanted tower speakers). I thought both speakers sounded great. In fact, I'm still using the M22s as surrounds for multi-channel music.

If you do not plan on upgrading your sub, you may want to consider the M60s. They do a really good job...even without a sub. If an upgraded sub is in your future, the M22 may be the best bet for you. However, if you plan to buy stands for the M22s, the price difference between the two isn't as significant.
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#122678 - 01/02/06 03:09 PM Re: m22ti and VP100
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Registered: 08/03/03
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Loc: Moorhead, Minnesota/US
Before I ordered my HSU VTF3, I called HSU and they suggested the VTF2. I got the 3, because I like to overdo things, a bit. I am very happy with it. I believe there are Canadian dealers, also.

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#122679 - 01/03/06 12:36 AM Re: m22ti and VP100
danmagicman7 Offline
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Registered: 12/16/05
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I have the m22ti's. Yes, they will go louder and deaper than the VP100. For one, the VP line of speakers have no ports in the back, leading to this difference. An enclosed speaker will have a harder time keeping up with the other mains.

However, in movies it should be absolutely no problem with dialogue. It should sound the same. In music, however, you will see a little bit of a difference.
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#122680 - 01/03/06 12:45 AM Re: m22ti and VP100
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If you wanting something louder, I would recommend going strait to the m80’s because youll probably get the 60’s then you’ll start looking at the 80’s and wondering what your wondering now… also keep in mind the 100 is a center channel, its designed for voices in movies ect.. hence the lack I ports I would assume? The 22’s are meant to be stereo speakers, and probably designed and intended to play louder than the 100 was? So depending on how much louder you want, you have to decide at what point you will be happy.

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#122681 - 01/03/06 08:03 AM Re: m22ti and VP100
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Registered: 08/16/05
Posts: 88
Loc: Peterborough, ON
Thanks for all the posts guys. I am going to take back the m22ti's and see what my budget will have in store. Unfortunately, m80's aren't in the budget due to the fact that I would have to upgrade my amp. Though getting a new amp would help
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#122682 - 01/03/06 08:20 AM Re: m22ti and VP100
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Registered: 06/22/03
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Loc: The Peoples Republic of Il.
I would suggest looking at a more compitant sub to go along with the M22s. Have you looked here . They have the STF 2 that would be around your budget.
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#122683 - 01/03/06 10:53 AM Re: m22ti and VP100
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The STF-2 looks great, I guess those prices are $US?
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#122684 - 01/03/06 11:02 AM Re: m22ti and VP100
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Registered: 06/22/03
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Loc: The Peoples Republic of Il.
No, that is a Canadian dealer
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#122685 - 01/03/06 11:17 AM Re: m22ti and VP100
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Registered: 01/29/02
Posts: 3186
Loc: Toronto/New York/Dwight
Hi davemire,

Whether or not to go with M60s over the M22ti's really depends on your personal taste in volume levels versus how large your room is and how far back you are from the main speakers.

I do much of my listening using a pair of M22ti's and the EP500 subwoofer in an average-size living room (19 x 13 x 9 ft.). I've always emphasized that the M22ti's have the ability to play surprisingly loud so long as you aren't trying to fill a huge space, but last night viewing the DVD of War of the Worlds with the DTS mix, I was dumbfounded. The low frequencies on the DTS mix are astonishing over the EP500, but the dynamic peaks in that soundtrack didn't seem to strain the capabilities of the M22ti's. I have a pair of M80 towers as well that I can switch instantly to, but I was so transfixed by the chaos and dynamics of the soundtrack that I kept reducing the level for fear of disturbing my lead-footed neighbours upstairs .

I may replay the sequences using the M80ti's but in my smallish living room (2200 cu ft.) I had no complaints about the very loud dynamic peaks from the M22's with the EP500, VP100, and QS8s. If your room is of similar size, adding the M60s may not result in a really significant audible improvement. Note that I don't listen at levels as loud as several of my Axiom colleagues.

As to subwoofers, if you're in Canada, Axiom's EP175 or EP350 deliver tight, powerful bass, albeit not in the same class as the EP500, but impressive nonetheless.

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#122686 - 01/03/06 11:45 AM Re: m22ti and VP100
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I have the HSU STF-2 and M22's. Awesome.

One of the main reasons I considered an HSU sub is because they are down firing. This means, someone can kick it and not go "Oops, I just bashed in your very expensive subwoofer, sorry." Then again, it is under my computer desk serving as a vibrating footrest. It serves its purpose well in that area too.

You shouldn't feel any need to upgrade your sub if you have a smaller room. If you get really excited, the EP500 would be the next upgrade. However, the HSU STF-2 is in my opinion the best budget subwoofer. The VTF-2 is actually the exact same subwoofer except it has two tuning modes. That's why it is $100 more. However, a subwoofer always usually wants to go the lowest, which is what the STF-2 is tuned for, so it is the best deal.
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#122687 - 01/03/06 12:57 PM Re: m22ti and VP100
davemire Offline
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Registered: 08/16/05
Posts: 88
Loc: Peterborough, ON
I have heard tons about these HSU subs, though I have never heard one. They certainly have a large following.
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#122688 - 01/03/06 01:13 PM Re: m22ti and VP100
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Loc: Iowa
You should hear an EP500 or 600, WoW...
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#122689 - 01/03/06 01:51 PM Re: m22ti and VP100
davemire Offline
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Registered: 08/16/05
Posts: 88
Loc: Peterborough, ON
So there is more than a moderate increase from the EP350 to the 500 or 600?
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#122690 - 01/03/06 02:28 PM Re: m22ti and VP100
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Loc: Iowa
I owned a 350 for a year before my 500 and it was a very good sub. Since I've moved downstairs to an almost 900Sq Ft room, the 500 seems to fill the space more evenly, but the 350 did a good job as well. The 500 has more "feel it in your chest" experience. If our room is not to huge, the 350 would do well also..
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#122691 - 01/03/06 09:13 PM Re: m22ti and VP100
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Registered: 02/08/04
Posts: 1845
I would compare a 350 to a 500/600 to say


Living in Alaska, in the middle of the winter… to say.. living in Hawaii.. any part of the year, cause its always 80 degrees here.. so night and day… well, it might do it justice, but not really.. I went from a 350->600 and at the volumes that I would play my music I would have the 350 trying to keep up… and on the 600, I have to turn down the gains…and it still sounds wonderful.



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