It seems to be a problem they are working on over at AV123. You may want to give them a call during the week and talk to someone about it. They have great customer service, so it's definitely worth a shot.

I'm doing research for a purchase that could be 3 weeks away or 2 months away. If it hasn't been resolved by then I probably will call them and see what's been going on with that. For $200 I can probably swing it any time soon and give it a trial but I'm trying to get a turntable first which is a bit more of an investment.

Well I went and picked up the Nad and come to find out it was a receiver not an integrated amp. So it's only high level connections here. I did get it set up with the B&W D10s and it sounds pretty darn sweet.

Speaking of turntables I also picked up a Denon DP-37F in excellent condition. The deck on this thing is a beautiful rosewood finish. Does anyone here know anything about these units?

The HSU STF-1 has high level in/out and is only $299. I have the STF-2 and it is spectacular.

Wid, are you sure about that? The integrated amps don't have any sub out, at least not the 320 and I don't think the others do either. The receiver would be more likely to.

danmagicman7, that's why I'm considering the Outlaw LFM-2. My friend has the HSU STF-1, and it's a good sub. The Outlaw was also designed by Dr. Hsu and he believes it should be a lower distortion design compared to the STF-1 but it is still very very similar to the STF-1 from HSU.

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Wid, are you sure about that? The integrated amps don't have any sub out, at least not the 320 and I don't think the others do either. The receiver would be more likely to.

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I didn't say the 320 would have a "sub out" but there is a way to use the low level inputs of the sub with the 320.

The receiver I picked up today was an older unit, the 7120.

What way is there?

With some subs you can run a preamp loop (I assume you're talking about doing that) but I don't believe any of the ones I'm interested in provide that option. If they did I'd probably go that route rather than high level.

All you have to do is split the preout signal of the preamp section and send the signal to the amp of the sub and back to the amp section of the 320.

I use these for the job.

Hmm that should work shouldn't it? Thanks for the suggestion.

That's another point for the X-sub then since it has low level inputs and the Outlaw LFM-2 does not.

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The Outlaw was also designed by Dr. Hsu and he believes it should be a lower distortion design compared to the STF-1 but it is still very very similar to the STF-1 from HSU.

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Unless your freind has done a side by side comparison of both subs there is no way he can qualify this statement.