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#143895 - 07/22/06 08:04 AM Re: Samsung 50"DLP [Re: INANE]
ditcin Offline
old hand

Registered: 05/02/06
Posts: 77
Loc: NY, USA
Vikingships the first wave of Sony SXRDs were supposed to be 1080p and are advertised as such, however they are not. They are really 1080i This has caused a bit of controversary and Sony may have to compensate those who first made purchase of thos sets. The second wave of the SXRD sets is due in AUG in 55, 60 and 70 inch, but none will be XRB. The XRBs will be available in or around OCy/Nov as will a 50" as well. The cosmidic change for the newer set will be the side speakers, which have been droped and relocated to the bottom, under the screen A lot of people complained about the side speakers tagging them "dumbo" speakers. They made the set larger in width then many liked due to the additional room they required. Now with the speakers located on the bottom a larger TV can now fit in the same space need for models with the side speakers.
Another issue you should consider is the actual width of the TV screen. Although all claim to make widescreen 16:9 screens - they are not. Just take a look at Sony and compare to Samsung. The Samsung is not quite as wide or rectangular. Plasmas are correct but many DLPs are not. The Samsung pedistal model is. Most people don't notice this. And if you ask your self what wuld it matter then consider how a movie theatre screen looks when projecting the common 1.85:1 image. It's more rectangular like the Sony screen vs the Samsung which means there is some over scanning issues with the Samsung as with others that are incorrect in their screen size.
For me if I'm going to spend that much money in trying to achieve and enjoy a home theatre expericene I thing this yet another red flag to consider.
Hope this helps.

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#143896 - 07/22/06 10:16 AM Re: Samsung 50"DLP [Re: chesseroo]
bridgman Offline
axiomite

Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5379
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
They have a nice listening room near the front of the building, right behind the front office. It didn't have any video equipment last time I was there but certainly the contents of the room change radically each time I visit. I wouldn't be surprised to find it full of video stuff now... it certainly has room for a nice sized screen at the front once you dig past the curtains and speakers.


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#143897 - 07/22/06 10:19 AM Re: Samsung 50"DLP [Re: ditcin]
Ajax Offline
axiomite

Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6250
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
Andrew, I've had a Samsung DLP for 3 years, and having just found it necessary to obtain a new one, the HL-S5687W (it's a long story ), I've done a lot of research on the doggone things. Here are a few things I've learned.

1. Your local BB or CC is not the best place to judge the PQ of an HDTV. There are too many variable over which you have no control, and nearly all HDTVs come out of the factory set to be as bright as possible to attract attention in a crowded showroom. The layman tends to perceive "brightest" as "best" just as, when comparing speakers, he tends to perceive "loudest" as "best."

2. No HDTV, be it CRT, LCD, LCoS, or DLP, will achieve it's potential unless it is ISF calibrated by a professional calibrator.

However! Most of us have become accustomed to watching an overly bright picture. When I first had my set ISF calibrated, I thought "OH C'MON! I can't live with a picture that dark." And, it did bother me for awhile. But, as time went by, I began to notice a detail and naturalness I had never seen in a TV picture before. It finally reached the point where I was thrilled with the HD PQ I was getting. Interestingly, the brightness of my bedroom TV (older 24" flat screen CRT) bothered me a little.

Now, I have the new Samsung. And, though I've done a preliminary calibration with my DVE (Digital Video Essentials) disc, beginning with some user menu settings recommended by a professional calibrator over at the AVS forum, and am quite pleased with the results, I'm eagerly awaiting a visit from my calibrator to tone this sucker down to the 6500k standard.

By the way, you can disregard the calibration pricing in the article linked to above. The article is 4 years old, and while the facts concerning ISF calibration remain accurate, the prices have changed.

3. The buzz by calibrators and knowledgeable laymen on the forums is that, out of the box, the Sony, and others, will provide better PQ. But, with a properly done ISF calibration, the Samsung 1080p sets have the greatest potential of achieving SMPTE standards. I, personally, cannot attest to the accuracy of the buzz.....................yet.

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Another issue you should consider is the actual width of the TV screen. Although all claim to make widescreen 16:9 screens - they are not. Just take a look at Sony and compare to Samsung. The Samsung is not quite as wide or rectangular. Plasmas are correct but many DLPs are not. The Samsung pedistal model is.



I believe this is a misconception. I just walked over and measured my Samsung DLP, and the screen is exactly 16x9. If the Sonys are "wider" or more "rectangular," then they are the ones that are not 16x9. Can you please provide some links to proof of this claim?
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#143898 - 07/24/06 12:30 PM Re: Samsung 50"DLP [Re: chesseroo]
alan Offline
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Registered: 01/29/02
Posts: 3187
Loc: Toronto/New York/Dwight
Chess,

We kept it hidden from you, ha, ha.

We use the listening room at the plant and have various screens hung as well as checking out prototype projectors, LCD and plasma screens--and screen materials. Even electric screen motors get a workout.
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#143899 - 07/26/06 12:21 AM Re: Samsung 50"DLP [Re: Ajax]
ElTorrente Offline
buff

Registered: 05/21/04
Posts: 54
I just ordered a HL-S5687W today, and can't wait for it to arrive!

I wish I hadn't read this stuff about the rainbow effect, so I'm going to try and keep it out of my mind and hopefully I don't see it. This model supposedly is a bit better at hiding that effect than their older models.

All I know is that I've been searching the web for reviews, and everyone loves their samsung. I love mine, and it isn't even here yet.

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#143900 - 07/26/06 02:18 AM Re: Samsung 50"DLP [Re: ElTorrente]
Ajax Offline
axiomite

Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6250
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
This is what's on the way to you. Don't look for the rainbows and you probably will never seen any. I've never seen them.


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#143901 - 07/26/06 07:26 AM Re: Samsung 50"DLP [Re: ditcin]
ratpack Offline
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Registered: 04/30/05
Posts: 1155
Loc: Alabama
Andrew: when I was in the market for a HDTV, I compared the Samsung with the Sony, side to side. There was really NO comparison. The Sony won hands down!!!!! I went back to the store three different times and the result was always the same no matter what the source material. So, I bought the Sony.

Ditcin: I'm wondering about your comment that the Sony is NOT a 1080P?????? In fact, it is a 1080P and upconverts the 1080I or 720P source material to 1080P. I'm wondering if you are referring to the HDMI input ports that won't support 1080P???? If you have some reference, please post them because I would like to find out a little more about the situation.
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#143902 - 07/26/06 08:37 AM Re: Samsung 50"DLP [Re: ratpack]
Ajax Offline
axiomite

Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6250
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
Bernard, I believe you are correct. To the best of my knowledge, the Sonys are 1080p in that, as you say, they up-convert the signal to 1080p. I think he meant to say that the Sonys don't accept a 1080p input signal which the 2006 Samsungs do.
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#143903 - 07/26/06 11:06 AM Re: Samsung 50"DLP [Re: Ajax]
chesseroo Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 4825
Loc: western canada
Jack, i don't know what you are looking at but i clearly see a rainbow there.




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#143904 - 07/26/06 11:55 AM Re: Samsung 50"DLP [Re: chesseroo]
Ajax Offline
axiomite

Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6250
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Son of a gun! I see it, too!
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