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#144329 - 09/20/06 03:34 PM Re: If you had a choice between... [Re: Hutzal]
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Well, I am in my house now, my room dimensions are 16 x 14 x 8 and a totally enclosed space.

This will be my LAST question of advise from you Axiom Owners, please don't get annoyed!

I am re-considering my position on the M60s simply because they are HUGE and may not be ideal for placement (physically) in my room due to the position of the screen and its relation to the door to the room (it may run the risk of getting bumped into by unsuspecting people in my house. And the fact that they take up alot of room.

Would the following work in my small room at high listening levels? It is about 1800 cubic feet of space.

2 x M3 (I know, big downgrade from the M60)
2 x QS8
1 x VP100
1 x SVS PB10-NSD

Main Listening Position will be roughly 11 feet from the speakers and 4 feet from the back wall and I could set the crossover for the sub at 80hz giving some breathing room to the M3s.

I was thinking today that I could easily downgrade for my room size, I am planning on building a studio in the basement as well, If the M3s don't work out for the theatre I will upgrade and put the M3s in the Studio, either way they will be used.

But I guess my next question would be what is better for studio monitors, the M22s or the M3s? Ths may influence my decision.

Anyone using these as studio monitors?

-Robb.




Ok. I ain'ta gonna recommend nothin', but in my old house.....

In my old house with a 13X28X8 room I had three M3s across the front and they worked GREAT!! It was a "good" room and the imaging and soundstage were spot-on. I could even tell the colors of the back-up singers dresses in one number.

Yeah; it was that good.(well; almost )
Rich.

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#144330 - 09/21/06 04:48 PM Re: If you had a choice between... [Re: F107plus5]
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Registered: 07/26/06
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Thanks for all the advise. I have come to grips with my "want" to get the M60s even though the left speaker would most likely get kicked by someone in the dark while they are leaving the room for popcorn.

I am going to go the route of 2 M22's wall mounted (which saves me even more room, probably addds about 2 feet of walking distance compared to the M60s being 10" from the wall).

I heard they produce alot more bass response when wall mounted as well (which is why I am choosing to wall mount).

I will be using drywall anchors as I have no studs to screw them into. Should be a very "interesting" time the first time I slip the M22s onto the wall mount.

I will go with a VP150 to assure ultimate clarity. and of course QS8s for the ultimate surrounds!

-Hutz
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#144331 - 09/21/06 08:11 PM Re: If you had a choice between... [Re: Hutzal]
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Mark (MarkSJohnson) did something nice with his QS surrounds. He mounted the QS8 brackets to some slightly larger wood plaques and then mounted THOSE to the wall. I don't remember if this just gave him better leverage or let him reach a stud that was otherwise too far from the speaker, but it looked real nice and something like that might let you get a more secure mounting.

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#144332 - 09/22/06 12:45 AM Re: If you had a choice between... [Re: bridgman]
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Mark (MarkSJohnson) did something nice with his QS surrounds. He mounted the QS8 brackets to some slightly larger wood plaques and then mounted THOSE to the wall. I don't remember if this just gave him better leverage or let him reach a stud that was otherwise too far from the speaker, but it looked real nice and something like that might let you get a more secure mounting.




Ya i have thought of that as well. Not sure how I am going to end up mounting the M22's. I heard those drywall anchors are good up to 90lbs? And with 2 anchors holding the bracket, it should be ok. I also have a whole SCHWACK of mud for filling in drywall, so if it does rip through for some obscure reason, I have the supplies to fix it!

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#144333 - 09/22/06 07:41 AM Re: If you had a choice between... [Re: Hutzal]
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Those 90 pound ratings can be deceiving. That's "90 pounds pulling straight down", not "90 pounds hanging out on the end of a bracket so the resulting forces are pulling OUT of the wall".

The lower mounting point will be no problem, but the upper one will be trying to pull out of the wall, and if the distance from wall to weight is larger than the distance between mounting points you also get a multiplying effect from the leverage.

For example, 10 pounds 12 inches away from the wall, on a bracket with 3 inches between the mounting points, will be pulling OUT of the wall with more than 10 pounds of force.

I'm not worried about patching the wall; just worried about patching speakers and whatever they land on

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#144334 - 09/22/06 09:15 AM Re: If you had a choice between... [Re: bridgman]
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#144335 - 09/22/06 09:52 AM Re: If you had a choice between... [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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How did you attach that plaque to the wall?

-Robb.
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#144336 - 09/22/06 11:18 AM Re: If you had a choice between... [Re: Hutzal]
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How did you attach that plaque to the wall?




Hi Robb:
I used hollow wall anchors as the walls are old horsehair plaster..... which was my reasoning in making the plaques in the first place. As many will attest, the QS8s are surprisingly heavy, and I wanted to distribute the weight over a larger area.

The color matches pretty well most of the time, but sometimes, depending upon the light, it's a bit off.
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#144337 - 09/22/06 02:00 PM Re: If you had a choice between... [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Did you drill holes in the plaques to mount them to the wall, or is there some clever hook arrangement behind ?

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#144338 - 09/22/06 02:02 PM Re: If you had a choice between... [Re: Hutzal]
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