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#13446 - 07/15/03 02:53 AM Re: Where's Robert Pirsig when you need him? ****
tomtuttle Offline
axiomite

Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8290
Loc: Tacoma
Peter, I've not had that beer. Thank you very much for the recommendation - I'll look for it! I like a good West Coast IPA, but don't get Brits (or certain others) started on the topic of "true" IPA. There are those change-resistant folks who deny that American application of Columbus/Cascade/Chinook hops to that style is an abomination rather than expansion to a new and distinctive style. I used to really groove on that big hop nose and grapefruity flavor. But the palate fatigue is just killer - after a couple, I really can't taste much of anything. If you can get a good one on cask, then you've got something.
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#13447 - 07/15/03 02:58 AM Re: Where's Robert Pirsig when you need him?
tomtuttle Offline
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Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8290
Loc: Tacoma
Will, thanks so much for sharing. I know too little about distillation, and your tutelage is welcome. You nailed the Zen reference; much of that book revolves around a search to define "quality". It seemed pretty deep when I was 18. In retrospect, it seems a bit ponderous and self-indulgent.

I really like Kentucky Bourbon. What should I be drinking?

Sonicfox - interesting that you should bring up the whole "light struck" issue. I discovered a few years ago that the CANNED version of Heineken is absolutely transcendent compared to the horrible bottles I'd been subjected to on the West Coast all these years.
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#13448 - 07/15/03 12:59 PM Re: Where's Robert Pirsig when you need him?
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
I don't know a whole lot about bourbon other than what I know I like. Some possibilities:
-Blantons is the best tasting I've ever had. Costco had it for awhile but they're all gone. Was $38 a bottle there. Must be better bourbons but I've never tasted any.
-Makers Mark is a good all around bourbon. Not so expensive that you feel like a fool using it in mixed drinks, but is also smooth and tasty enough to sip straight.
-Jim Beam is as low as I'll go. I use it only in mixed drinks. Found it on sale for $13 per 1.75L bottle and stocked up last year. It's harsh straight, but doesn't seem to cause too much internal damage.
-Evan Williams Single Barrel was absolutely an awesome deal when it first came out, but prices have climbed. It could be my imagination, but it also seems like quality dipped.
-Elmer T. Lee is good. Especially if you can find it under $20.
-Wild Turkey ain't bad. I prefer the 101 proof.

I don't know if you like your booze straight, but try the good stuff warm, without ice or water, in a nice glass. Take little sips, let it sit on the palette for awhile, and go slow. You won't get drunk, but you will get mellow.

For bourbon & Coke, Makers Mark can't be beat.

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#13449 - 07/15/03 01:32 PM Re: Where's Robert Pirsig when you need him?
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Registered: 05/03/03
Posts: 17781
Loc: NoVA
This could be sacrilage, but the way I (and my wife) figure it, we don't drink enough to waste time with the cheap stuff. In other words, I use medium-good quality liquor in everything, including mixed drinks. No matter what the scientific evidence says, a fine tequila in a margarita tastes better, has a wider soundstage, transcends the live experience... Oh wait, wrong thread.
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#13450 - 07/15/03 04:08 PM Re: Where's Robert Pirsig when you need him?
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Registered: 04/02/03
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Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
Ah yes, Jim Beam. That is the key ingredient in my wife's family's "Bourbon Slush" recipe -- a hit at outdoor concerts and BBQs.


1 750ml bottle Jim Beam
4 cups strongly brewed tea
1 can lemonade concentrate
1 can orange juice concentrate
plenty of water
plenty of sugar

Place all ingredients into a large container and put in freezer. Give it a good stir every few hours. When it reaches a slushy consistency, serve it up!
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#13451 - 07/15/03 07:47 PM Re: Where's Robert Pirsig when you need him?
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Registered: 07/23/02
Posts: 331
Loc: ORANGE COUNTY CALIF
Gott'a love this.. Electronic gear, music and movies, and adult beverages, all on the same site.. Too cool..
So, can we get someone to put together a list of all the better brews and suggestions that have been listed ?
Isn't it kind of interesting, as one can grows older (I didn't say necessarily wiser) one begins to slow down and enjoy the simpler pleasures life offers ? Such as a fine painting, a well writen book, a great movie, and of course, the perfect potation to complete the moment.. Ahhhhhhh....
Here's a funny thing.. I find myself sort of role playing with a lot the movies I watch these days.. We have the sound, the picture, why not the taste ??
If it's a old murder mystery type, I'll have scotch/rocks.. If a action movie, beer, but imported or made by the same country as the primary role in the movie.. Following me here ? James Bond, you guessed it, "Shaken, not stirred".. French/wine, cowboy/wiskey, Greek/Oyzo, etc, etc..
Next time you drop in Hunt for Red October, be sure you pour yourself a shot of Vodka.. I mean, Waadka..
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#13452 - 07/15/03 07:55 PM Re: Where's Robert Pirsig when you need him?
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Registered: 04/02/03
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In reply to:

be sure you pour yourself a shot of Vodka.. I mean, Waadka..




Just don't go all "Ya tebya lublu" on us after you take a few shots. There's nothing worse than a blathering drunk who keeps saying he loves you in Russian -- with a bad accent, nonetheless.
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#13453 - 07/15/03 08:33 PM Re: Where's Robert Pirsig when you need him?
KC_Mike Offline
local

Registered: 01/11/03
Posts: 209
Loc: KS
I buy a lot of Woodford Reserve. I used to buy Makers Mark until I tried the Woodford.

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#13454 - 07/16/03 12:39 PM Re: Where's Robert Pirsig when you need him?
BigWill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/03
Posts: 1951
Loc: Corona, Calif. USA!!!
Hey MIKEY, I recall that you are in OC. If you haven't already, go check out Hi-Time Cellar in Costa Mesa. HUGE selection of everything. It's a two story emporium of everything alcoholic. Decent prices, not the lowest on everything, but they do run some smoking sales on stuff.

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#13455 - 07/16/03 03:14 PM Re: Where's Robert Pirsig when you need him?
MIKEY Offline
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Registered: 07/23/02
Posts: 331
Loc: ORANGE COUNTY CALIF
Thanks Mark.. You know, I've been told about that place a couple of times.. I'm in Huntington Beach, like ten minutes away, and never make it over there ? Go figure..
Looks like ZeN will be stopping by this Saturday to give my system a listen.. I'll stop by Hi-Time and grab some suds..
What's best in this area again ? I'm not much on all the ales, micro brews, and such, as I love and drink mostly the beers Hecho de Mexico.. I've injoyed many a fine beer, but with all those brands, makes, etc, I can't keep up with it..
Any help, again, would be appreciated..
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