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#156581 - 01/22/07 04:05 PM
Wow....EP400 huh....
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Registered: 01/10/02
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just when you thought everything was static....Ian adds some flare!!!
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#156582 - 01/22/07 04:15 PM
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[Re: BBIBH]
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connoisseur
Registered: 12/10/03
Posts: 3602
Loc: Winnipeg MB Canada
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And 20% off on the preorder.
Bren R.
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#156583 - 01/22/07 04:17 PM
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[Re: BBIBH]
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connoisseur
Registered: 09/16/04
Posts: 3896
Loc: Marion, IA
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SSSSHHHHHHHH..... Don't talk too loudly. Those people not in the super secret club don't know about the product yet... 
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#156584 - 01/22/07 04:21 PM
Re: Wow....EP400 huh....
[Re: BBIBH]
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aficionado
Registered: 02/03/04
Posts: 715
Loc: Seattle WA
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So amazingly not fair! I have not enough disposable income, but that is exactly the sub for me in my studio.
Cruel to dangle such wonderful toys before me!
-james
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#156585 - 01/22/07 04:30 PM
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[Re: James_T]
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veteran
Registered: 08/31/06
Posts: 193
Loc: Franklin Indiana
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Yea new products are always exciting. I was thinking they would mention the Sherwood thing. looks like this EP400 is smaller than an EP350, but with the amp and circuitry of the EP500, $100 less than the EP500 price ? ( not including the 20%)
just noticed it has an 8" woofer. Maybe this falls in the category "Size doesnt matter, it's how you use it " ??
heres what got me going though in the newsletter.. If I had the cash I would get the Epic 60 - 500 in Cherry Chestnut Satin
my mind keeps saying ... click add to cart .. ... click add to cart ... ... sell the stuff you have ... ... click add to cart ...
I just cant see my way to it though. hopefully someone will get it soon to relieve the pressure.
Randy
Edited by Randy_Perkins (01/22/07 04:57 PM)
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#156586 - 01/22/07 04:41 PM
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[Re: Randy_Perkins]
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veteran
Registered: 08/30/06
Posts: 105
Loc: St. Albert, AB
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What's this??? Secret Newsletter??? I MUST HAVE IT!!!  Is there some way to sign up for this supposed "Owner's Club Newsletter" since I am now an Axiom owner? Or are you guys just 'special' compared to the average joe customer, like myself... 
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#156588 - 01/22/07 04:53 PM
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[Re: JasonB]
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Registered: 08/31/06
Posts: 193
Loc: Franklin Indiana
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#156589 - 01/22/07 05:28 PM
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[Re: Randy_Perkins]
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shareholder in the making
Registered: 09/27/04
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I think I might have been the first to designate the "EP-400" name. Do I win one? Maybe my room won't suck as much! 
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#156590 - 01/22/07 05:46 PM
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[Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Registered: 12/29/05
Posts: 3301
Loc: Central,California
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Neat stuff, the other exclusives being offered makes me want to purchase another set of speakers.
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#156591 - 01/22/07 07:53 PM
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[Re: Randy_Perkins]
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devotee
Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 312
Loc: kansas
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That cherry-chestnut is freakin' beautiful.  Would even go with my rough cedar room  And that EP400- man am I glad I didn't spend much on the sub I have, I won't feel TOO guilty getting the 400  Dangit Ian, I made a resolution to not buy anything this year and you just hosed that plan. 
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#156593 - 01/23/07 12:23 AM
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[Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Mark, you're correct, and I remember well your suggestion here that undoubtedly inspired Ian to go forward with the project. I'd have little doubt that you'd be the winner of the new EP400 except for concerns about the suckiness of your room. If you were to run more of the frequency graphs similar to those you've had the nerve to display here in the past, even as superb a sub as the EP400 might be embarrassed if asked to perform under such conditions. Possibly if you promised Ian that you'd never publish your room results again, he might feel confident in sending one right out to you.
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#156594 - 01/23/07 12:33 AM
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[Re: JohnK]
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aficionado
Registered: 02/23/04
Posts: 832
Loc: Illinois.
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JohnK, That's FUNNY......  Larry
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#156595 - 01/23/07 01:45 AM
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[Re: JohnK]
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devotee
Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 312
Loc: kansas
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What if he put one in each corner? His room could go from suck to blow 
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#156600 - 01/23/07 11:49 AM
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[Re: nickbuol]
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old hand
Registered: 11/19/04
Posts: 87
Loc: Pickering, Ontario, Canada
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Preliminary web page is on the Axiom site: EP400 web page Only one photo, and no price yet. Add to cart!!!
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#156602 - 01/23/07 02:49 PM
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[Re: Randy_Perkins]
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enthusiast
Registered: 05/29/06
Posts: 30
Loc: Pennsylvania, USA
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I love that Cherry-Chestnut Epic60-500 system... The Cherry-Bordeaux or Cherry-Chestnut have been my favorite VaSSallo's since they've been introduced. To see the entire system in a picture - WOW!
The EP400 sounds like an amazing piece of kit, except for the price. I wonder how many people will opt for it instead of the EP500 with such a small price differential. The WAF is better, though...
Great job Axiom!
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#156604 - 01/23/07 03:09 PM
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[Re: barilkobart]
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shareholder in the making
Registered: 05/03/03
Posts: 17420
Loc: NoVA
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The specs on that thing are pretty amazing.
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#156605 - 01/23/07 03:15 PM
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[Re: Ken.C]
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axiomite
Registered: 06/22/03
Posts: 6695
Loc: The Peoples Republic of Il.
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The specs provided in the link is not the same as the specs from the newsletter.
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#156606 - 01/23/07 03:19 PM
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[Re: Wid]
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shareholder in the making
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I was going off of the newsletter ones. I'd bet that that page is still under construction, after being copied from the EP600 one.
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#156607 - 01/23/07 03:29 PM
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[Re: Ken.C]
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axiomite
Registered: 06/22/03
Posts: 6695
Loc: The Peoples Republic of Il.
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It is an impressive little sub for sure, the price is going to be a major draw back imo.
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#156608 - 01/23/07 05:19 PM
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[Re: Wid]
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veteran
Registered: 08/31/06
Posts: 193
Loc: Franklin Indiana
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The price point had me considering that the amp with DSP was the primary cost component, more so than the woofer and enclosure.
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#156609 - 01/23/07 05:55 PM
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[Re: Randy_Perkins]
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Registered: 06/20/05
Posts: 1189
Loc: Utah, USA
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The EP400 and EP500 are near enough the same price point, that if floor space and size aren't a concern, you'd just buy the EP500. I am guessing that Axiom is targeting this to those that find the smaller form factor is of greater importance over saving money on something that doesn't perform as well. Just as in the spy world, the smaller gadgets are cooler, and sometimes worth a little extra cost. 
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#156610 - 01/23/07 07:32 PM
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[Re: dllewel]
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shareholder in the making
Registered: 12/26/03
Posts: 10364
Loc: Calgary, Alberta
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If it was under $1000 retail I think I would be more interested, I am still leaning toward the 500 for me, size is not an issue. 
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#156611 - 01/23/07 07:36 PM
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[Re: jakewash]
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axiomite
Registered: 06/22/03
Posts: 6695
Loc: The Peoples Republic of Il.
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I think it will be even a harder sell in the states seeing what other companies are offering for far less money. In Canada the other offering are much more exspensive compared to here.
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#156612 - 01/23/07 07:44 PM
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[Re: Wid]
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shareholder in the making
Registered: 12/26/03
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Loc: Calgary, Alberta
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I think if they just removed the 350 and put the 400 in its price range then it would sell easily, especially with those specs and size.
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#156613 - 01/23/07 07:47 PM
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[Re: jakewash]
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axiomite
Registered: 06/22/03
Posts: 6695
Loc: The Peoples Republic of Il.
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Agreed
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#156616 - 01/23/07 10:44 PM
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[Re: jakewash]
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hobbyist
Registered: 07/09/04
Posts: 21
Loc: Princeton, NJ, USA
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I would be willing to put the order in right now if the price was close to EP350  .
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#156617 - 01/23/07 11:24 PM
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[Re: dvaidya]
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connoisseur
Registered: 12/10/03
Posts: 3602
Loc: Winnipeg MB Canada
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It's the curse of the Axiom products with 4's in them...  Bren R.
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#156619 - 01/24/07 10:37 AM
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[Re: Hutzal]
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hobbyist
Registered: 07/09/04
Posts: 21
Loc: Princeton, NJ, USA
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Tell me about it. I would jump all over the EP400 if it was around $700 as a replacement for EP350.
-Deepak
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#156620 - 01/24/07 11:37 AM
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[Re: dvaidya]
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aficionado
Registered: 07/13/04
Posts: 828
Loc: Newburgh, NY
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or maybe they are planning an upgrade to the 350 with the digital amps and that will be in the $700 price range. ( a man can dream can't he)
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#156621 - 01/24/07 01:18 PM
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[Re: snakeyes]
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Registered: 12/26/03
Posts: 10364
Loc: Calgary, Alberta
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Ummm....that would be the EP 500 and OMG, if that was $700 I would buy 2. 
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#156623 - 01/26/07 10:12 AM
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The EP400 was produced to fill a specific need that was being requested of us over and over. This was to pack real sub-woofer performance into the smallest possible enclosure. It was not created to be a cheaper version of the EP500 and in fact if you do not have any concern over the enclosure size then the EP500 would be the way to go. If our goal was to bring out a less expensive EP500 then we would definitely utilize a larger enclosure. Adding to enclosure size is an inexpensive way (to a point) of boosting a sub’s performance without having to spend more on the sub’s amp and driver technologies. So really are you asking us if we could revisit the EP350 and see if we could boost its performance by adding about $50 to the selling price? That sounds like it might be a good idea.
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#156624 - 01/26/07 11:29 AM
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[Re: Ian]
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Registered: 07/26/06
Posts: 2102
Loc: Hollywood. (Canadian @ <3)
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Quote:
The EP400 was produced to fill a specific need that was being requested of us over and over. This was to pack real sub-woofer performance into the smallest possible enclosure. It was not created to be a cheaper version of the EP500 and in fact if you do not have any concern over the enclosure size then the EP500 would be the way to go. If our goal was to bring out a less expensive EP500 then we would definitely utilize a larger enclosure. Adding to enclosure size is an inexpensive way (to a point) of boosting a sub’s performance without having to spend more on the sub’s amp and driver technologies. So really are you asking us if we could revisit the EP350 and see if we could boost its performance by adding about $50 to the selling price? That sounds like it might be a good idea.
If you get get the 350 to a price point where its performance rivals its competitors in the same price range, I think more people would opt for the 350. Sort of a less powerfull EP500, goes down to 20hz but not nearly as loud as the EP500. I am not sure of how the logistics work with how much things cost so I am not sure how that would work.
If increasing the cabinet size of the 350 would allow it to extend down to 20hz, I think you would have a real winner.
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#156625 - 01/26/07 11:31 AM
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[Re: Hutzal]
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Registered: 07/26/06
Posts: 2102
Loc: Hollywood. (Canadian @ <3)
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Quote:
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The EP400 was produced to fill a specific need that was being requested of us over and over. This was to pack real sub-woofer performance into the smallest possible enclosure. It was not created to be a cheaper version of the EP500 and in fact if you do not have any concern over the enclosure size then the EP500 would be the way to go. If our goal was to bring out a less expensive EP500 then we would definitely utilize a larger enclosure. Adding to enclosure size is an inexpensive way (to a point) of boosting a sub’s performance without having to spend more on the sub’s amp and driver technologies. So really are you asking us if we could revisit the EP350 and see if we could boost its performance by adding about $50 to the selling price? That sounds like it might be a good idea.
If you get get the 350 to a price point where its performance rivals its competitors in the same price range, I think more people would opt for the 350. Sort of a less powerfull EP500, goes down to 20hz but not nearly as loud as the EP500. I am not sure of how the logistics work with how much things cost so I am not sure how that would work.
If increasing the cabinet size of the 350 would allow it to extend down to 20hz, I think you would have a real winner. Just look at the SVS PB-12...that thing is a monster and it has had great ratings from sub enthusiasts, people are willing buy a bigger sized sub for cheaper to get better performance.
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#156628 - 01/26/07 01:49 PM
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[Re: real80sman]
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Registered: 07/05/02
Posts: 1325
Loc: Ancaster, Ontario
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Not to doom this train of thought but to my mind it makes sense. EP350 Subwoofer Dimensions HWD inches : 19.5" x 15" x 15" 200 Watts EP500 Subwoofer Dimensions HWD inches : 19.5" x 15" x 19.5" 500 Watts What IF, as real80sman suggested, the 350 moved up to the 500's enclosure but kept it's 200 Watt Amp, that could be upgradeable to the 500's amp at a later date? This would mean one less enclosure size for Axiom to build and a very easy upgrade path for us customers. Consider this a pat on the back, now we can wait for reality to set in  .
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#156629 - 01/26/07 05:15 PM
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[Re: FordPrefect]
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Registered: 08/31/06
Posts: 193
Loc: Franklin Indiana
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Well if they start selling the amp with DSP separately, could the DSP profile be modified via the usb port to accomodate DIY enclosures. That would be cool to the DIY crowd, but not sure how big that crowd is. I built a couple subwoofer enclosures for the trunk of my car, and even had one in my living room way back, but today I want something that has the refined axiom look to it  Randy
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#156630 - 01/26/07 05:30 PM
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[Re: Randy_Perkins]
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connoisseur
Registered: 12/10/03
Posts: 3602
Loc: Winnipeg MB Canada
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I'd be afraid to let the DIYer do anything with my tech. "OmGzz!!1!one! Teh Axion amp sux0rs i made a totaly pro sub boxthing out of cardbored an it sounds like siht compaired to my freinds kikker in his ford fokus"  Bren R.
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#156632 - 01/27/07 03:17 AM
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[Re: Ian]
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axiomite
Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5256
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
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>>So really are you asking us if we could revisit the EP350 and see if we could boost its performance by adding about $50 to the selling price? That sounds like it might be a good idea. Exactly. "My" EP400 was always the EP350 in the EP500 enclosure for a lower tune point but otherwise largely unchanged. Positioning-wise, IMO the main midrange HT "sweet spot" is deep bass at moderate volumes at a good price. I'm actually kinda glad you used EP400 for the "high end small enclosure" product (which looks great by the way !!), now we can use "EP350 V3" for the "EP350 in a bigger box" product 
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