Ken, Thanks. That is exactly all I am saying or doing. Going to the audio store did one thing for me-gave another benchmark of what I could be hearing vs. what I was hearing. I knew I had the right speakers so I changed out my amp and processor and it made a huge difference. That's all I'm saying !!! MAN!!!!! Is there an IED out there or what???? Look, it was a benefit for me and AS I SAID BEFORE--changing my equipment out brought my Axioms to life. Hearing what I heard at the store was a factor in that. PERIOD!!! Ya'll have no mercy!!!!

Oh, you think that'll end it? Ha.

What's an IED?

So besides changing out your gear, what else changed? Did you turn up your new gear more than your old gear?

Is all this adoration for 2 channel improvement? What a difference you must hear!! The double-blind testing to prove your point is next of course?

Listen, if you enjoy your new boxes, that's what counts. Just leave a little room to consider how powerful your mind is...

I have a Mitsubishi 65" Diamond HD. It has a 200 watt amp, a bunch of speakers in there and sounds great. Sometimes, I don't bother turning on the 3 Yamaha 2 channel amps, the big Onky M504 amp, the processor and the sub. I still have a pair of Thiel CS 3.6s up front, a center channel, 2 QS8s on the sides and a pair of Michaura M55s in the back.

The Mitsubishi sounds terrific. When I do NOT turn on the 7.1 system, I still hear sound coming from the sides and back. All those drivers become passive resonators.

I'm sure my Mits sounds better in that room than it would by itself, after all it has all those other speakers vibrating away and contributing to the rich enveloping sound I enjoy without paying for a single additional watt of electricity.

The point is, when you audition speakers in an audio salon, unless they are the only speakers in the room, you are not only hearing those speakers, but all the speakers in the room. Just a thought.

I certainly don't think he's trashing Axioms. Even if he was, it wouldn't bother me. I think people should be free to speak their minds. We can always challenge them of course .

I am simply trying to understand what other factors changed besides his gear.

One last thought. The difference in the SQ is on both 2 channel and surround 5.1. It isn't about the loudness, although I can say that there is more available volume than before but that isn't my main concern. The difference is in the separation, imaging, depth (especially bass), just an overall stronger presence in the room. Look, I'm not an expert and really don't care about what the audio store had for sale. What I care about is that hearing a difference for whatever reason convinced me to do what I've been wanting to do for a long time-get some better equipment-separates to be exact!! And I'm quite happy and content with this change until I do my next upgrade on acoustics or whatever it might be. That's all that matters anyway, isn't it???

2X6,

Those are some interesting comments that you made about the speakers resonating. How do we test that?

Where did anyone get the idea that I was trashing Axioms. Not at all. Don't read something into what isn't there. Read my posts. I love my Axioms. I have M22s, M3s, M60s and QS8s. I said that these changes brought them to another level that I knew they were capable of but was not there before. Only change was going from a Yamaha 657 to Emotiva LMC / LPA combo.