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#193015 - 01/18/08 09:52 PM Re: Question about M60s and exposed brick walls [Re: EFalardeau]
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Ha-ha, you're probably right. I'm a believe in tone controls since not all recordings are made equal, so I'm sure I'll do some tweaking on that end too. But I'm totally impressed. The last time I visited Stereo Exchange in Manhattan they played me $5K speakers on a $25K McIntosh tube system. In all honesty, I'm hearing that kind of detail here. No, I'm not an expert, but I know what I like. So far, these are high on the list. Thank goodness!! I waited almost two years to buy them. I won't be looking back!

Zo
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#193020 - 01/18/08 10:18 PM Re: Question about M60s and exposed brick walls [Re: ZG]
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In my opinion I would not mess with tone controls as they will make well designed speakers sound worse, at least with Axioms. Of course, this just my opinion. \:\)
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#193022 - 01/18/08 10:42 PM Re: Question about M60s and exposed brick walls [Re: SirQuack]
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So will a lot of rooms. If it sounds better use em.
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#193023 - 01/18/08 10:46 PM Re: Question about M60s and exposed brick walls [Re: Wid]
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I only really play with tone controls if the system reveals a poor quality CD or passage. Sometimes even that can't save it. But, every now and then pulling down the treble helps.

So, tomorrow I will listen to tubes and vinyl. Can't wait to be blown away some more!

Zo
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#193024 - 01/18/08 10:46 PM Re: Question about M60s and exposed brick walls [Re: Wid]
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 Originally Posted By: sirquack
In my opinion I would not mess with tone controls as they will make well designed speakers sound worse, at least with Axioms. Of course, this just my opinion. \:\)

 Originally Posted By: wid

So will a lot of rooms.


So do a lot of recordings. Sometimes it is necessary to tweak in such a manner.
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#193058 - 01/19/08 07:29 AM Re: Question about M60s and exposed brick walls [Re: jakewash]
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ZG, Enjoy your new speakers with or without tone control adjustments.
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#193074 - 01/19/08 10:29 AM Re: Question about M60s and exposed brick walls [Re: ZG]
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Hi Zoe,

Sorry, I don't know how to do the umlot. Anyway, you get a lot more space for way less money when you leave Manhattan.

Delighted you like the M60s and don't feel guilty about using tone controls when dreadful engineering or equalization on the original source material (LP or CD) requires it.

For example, I just listened to a CD of a wonderful New York cabaret singer who passed away from cancer some years ago. Anyway, the recording is SO sibilant (on all my speakers--M80s, M22s, old Mirage bipolars and good headphones) that a slight tweak of the treble control makes it listenable. I used about a 3-dB cut and it reduces the sibilance.

I do advise against using elaborate equalizers or built-in auto-EQ systems with good speakers like Axioms, as you may well degrade or totally mess up the tonal balance and linearity of the speakers.

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#193102 - 01/19/08 01:26 PM Re: Question about M60s and exposed brick walls [Re: alan]
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#193162 - 01/20/08 10:35 AM Re: Question about M60s and exposed brick walls [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Hey all!

I've been listening to the M60s since Friday evening, and with every new recording I pop on, I'm blown away! I've made a mess of my collection by grabbing everything I think will sound amazing and piling it up in the living room. So far only one sounded horrible - which is one of my favorite records too: Maria McKee's You Gotta Sin to Get Saved. I haven't tried it on vinyl yet though, which I have. But the CD sounded horrible. Even tone controls couldn't help it. We'll see how the vinyl sounds today.

A friend of mine recommended my entire system - including the M60s. I've basically mimicked his gear (plus some additions and tweaks), and by far it's the best sounding system I've owned. He's about 25 years older than me, so I guess he knows what he's talking about! So, thanks to Larry!

The M60s really make me see/hear just how wonderful sounding my amps are. The Luxman L210 is a sleeper that audiofools (yes, fools like me!) in Europe seem to love and mod like mad. I've got two of them, one for the TV. They come up on eBay from time to time and never cost more than $200. The L210 was a high end amp back when it was released. It stands the test of time. I used to have a much more expensive Adcom GFA 555 II and GFP 565 preamp. The Luxman is miles ahead of the Adcoms on all levels.

My tube amp is a Scott 222C. I also have a Scott LK-72 that was heavily modded. The 222C is just amazing! Again, it compares to a McIntosh that I heard that was in the $6K range for just the power amp. The 222C cost me $400 shipped, cleaned up and new tubes. The price to sound ratio on that is insanely amazing.

Well, Bill Evans is spinning right now. Sounds like he's playing in my loft!

Zo
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#193163 - 01/20/08 10:37 AM Re: Question about M60s and exposed brick walls [Re: ZG]
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Hey Alan,

If you're on a Mac, the umlaut can be put over vowels with this command: option + U, then the vowel. ln Lfft. Have no clue how it's done on a PC though.

Chrs!

Zo
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