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#199289 - 03/05/08 11:06 PM Re: More Denon 3808 questions... [Re: jakewash]
Hansang Offline
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Registered: 02/07/07
Posts: 581
Loc: New York
 Originally Posted By: jakewash
Actually just about any of the wireless security features are crackable in a few hours if done right with the right computers. What's even worse is there are sights out there explaining how to do it and what equipment/programs are needed and apparently even if you diable the SSID broadcast of your networks name, it can still be found.

Hard wire is the only safe way to go.
[snip]


WEP, I could agree with (although it's still pretty secure with the right key). But WPA2? I don't believe it's crackable, not yet anyway.
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#199305 - 03/06/08 04:56 AM Re: More Denon 3808 questions... [Re: Hansang]
jakewash Offline
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Registered: 12/26/03
Posts: 10399
Loc: Calgary, Alberta
Check this out.

Anything is crackable/hackable if it is man made. Somethings just take much longer than others.
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#199319 - 03/06/08 09:47 AM Re: More Denon 3808 questions... [Re: Hansang]
michael_d Offline
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Registered: 07/23/04
Posts: 3913
Loc: Up yonder
 Originally Posted By: Hansang
Well, I pulled the trigger. I'm replacing my SR8002 with a 3808. I had to buy two (one for my brother-in-law) and one for moi. I figured it would be easier for me to support them if I had the same unit. That and the lure of being able to do my own FW upgrades was very appealing to me. Finally, MultEQ XT on the Denon has four times the filter resolution when compared to the 8002. That and the ability to do Pro Calibration finally tipped it towards Denon.


I think you'll enjoy the 3808. Last week my 8001 finaly found it's way back to me and I had to hook it up to see if Marantz acutally fixed it. I know Marantz has groupies who claim it sounds better than the 3808, but I sure couldn't tell a difference. The 3808 is so much more advanced it's pathetic to compare the two units.
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#199329 - 03/06/08 01:18 PM Re: More Denon 3808 questions... [Re: michael_d]
Ray3 Offline
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Registered: 02/02/04
Posts: 2843
Loc: Rochester, NY
Rich, I had done quite a bit of research about this, so I'll give you a bit of an info dump.

First, the wireless bridge option:

I thought this was OK, but I wanted to get at a wired option if possible (more on wired below below):

These are the options (either wireless bridge or gaming adapter) I found that appeared to be the best (according to user reviews) Model/price/overall user rating on Newegg
WET54G / $90 / 68%
WAP54G / $70 / 82% / WPA security only
WGA54G / $70 / 80% / WEP security only

Both Amazon and Newegg offer descriptions and extensive user reviews. These user reviews are a significant source of details on problems encountered and solutions to them. Be aware that they generally support only a single type of security (WEP or WPA). Because of that, I had chosen the WAP54G. So

Something else to consider here is that a wireless bridge usually lets you plug in a single device. I didn't chase this to see if a switch could be added to the mix and allow me to plug in several devices to the switch.

Second, the hard wired connection:
In my Home Theater, long with the 3808, I have a DirecTv HR-20 DVR, a Wii and a soon to be purchased PS3 (which is my final choice as a media server), all of which can connect to a network.

The dependability of wired network gives me a more a better, more stable connection than wireless, so that's what I pursued. Running Cat5/Cat 6 wasn't an option I considered very long. Aggravating to do yourself, expensive to have done and what if you need a connection in another room after you were all done.

Long story short, I chose to use a powerline ethernet adapter approach connection. A couple of ethernet adapters (one plugged into your router and then into an outlet, the 2nd one plugged into an outlet in the room with the Home theater.) Covers from 2nd floor to basement using the home electrical system. You need 2 of the adapters to start with AND you can add more (PLE200) as needed with the flexibility to use them. I think the flexibility is important because new products will be made to include network capability.

There were a couple of choices, but I ended up choosing the Linksys PLK200 (a kit with 2 of them) because all of my other networking equipment is Linksys. Search on the model number at Newegg for more info. Also, I installed a nice software tool made by Linksys called "EasyLink Advisor" - it lets you see each device on your network (wired / wireless) and what it's IP address, MAC Address and status are. You can also print all of your network details, including settings & passwords, out to store/refer to. VERY cool.

The solution is a bit more expensive than a wireless bridge, but it is more stable, robust and flexible. I got the stuff last week & plugged them in, added a switch in the basement, plugged all of the HT stuff into the switch and it just works.

A side note. When I did the basement a couple of years ago, I used x_10 lighting in the room. Research for that led me to install a phase coupler on the electric box. Do some research, but the really overly simplified explanation is that the thing turns a two sided electrical box into a single entity so that X-10 signals (and any other signals) are dependable and don't "get lost" going from one side of the electrical box to the other. I have NEVER had a problem with the X-10 lighting (folks that do have problems eliminate them by installing a coupler)

I had this in the back of my mind and felt it would greatly enhance the dependability of powerline adapters. I can't swear it made a difference, but I have not had a single problem with the powerline stuff. I suspect most folks with problems here would solve them with a phase coupler, especially in older homes.

Hopefully this hasn't put you to sleep. I Don't know if it will make Tom less bitter.

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#199360 - 03/06/08 04:40 PM Re: More Denon 3808 questions... [Re: jakewash]
Hansang Offline
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Registered: 02/07/07
Posts: 581
Loc: New York
 Originally Posted By: jakewash
Check this out.

Anything is crackable/hackable if it is man made. Somethings just take much longer than others.


WPA with weak pass phrase. But I didn't see anything about WPA2/strong pass phrase. I use a password generator (eg: f%KomLV&76) so even my WEP would be hard to crack.
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#199362 - 03/06/08 04:48 PM Re: More Denon 3808 questions... [Re: michael_d]
Hansang Offline
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Registered: 02/07/07
Posts: 581
Loc: New York
 Originally Posted By: mdrew

I think you'll enjoy the 3808. Last week my 8001 finaly found it's way back to me and I had to hook it up to see if Marantz acutally fixed it. I know Marantz has groupies who claim it sounds better than the 3808, but I sure couldn't tell a difference. The 3808 is so much more advanced it's pathetic to compare the two units.


wow, pretty strong words! It just showed up at my door. I'll take it for a drive tonight!


Edited by Hansang (03/06/08 04:49 PM)
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#199370 - 03/06/08 05:20 PM Re: More Denon 3808 questions... [Re: Hansang]
tomtuttle Offline
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Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8293
Loc: Tacoma
Ray, you're awesome.

Perhaps "bitter" was ambiguous; you guys and your newfangled receivers just leave me glibly envious. And Rich broke our projector pact. Harumph.
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#199373 - 03/06/08 05:43 PM Re: More Denon 3808 questions... [Re: Hansang]
jakewash Offline
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Registered: 12/26/03
Posts: 10399
Loc: Calgary, Alberta
They were just showing it is possible, yes a strong pass phrase makes it harder but with time possible, as most of us don't change the pass phrase often, if at all.
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#199376 - 03/06/08 06:20 PM Re: More Denon 3808 questions... [Re: tomtuttle]
St_PatGuy Offline
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Registered: 03/07/05
Posts: 7412
Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
Ray, you're awesome.

Perhaps "bitter" was ambiguous; you guys and your newfangled receivers just leave me glibly envious. And Rich broke our projector pact. Harumph.


Tom, just to rub it in a little more--my 3808 arrived yesterday. Can't wait to get home today and actually power it up.
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#199377 - 03/06/08 06:23 PM Re: More Denon 3808 questions... [Re: St_PatGuy]
MarkSJohnson Offline
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Registered: 09/27/04
Posts: 10938
Loc: Central NH
My 3808 won't be in till tomorrow. But Monday, I should have the Axiom 1400 amp to go with it!
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