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#20193 - 09/18/03 07:57 PM yet another post about SUBS
chrono Offline
old hand

Registered: 06/24/03
Posts: 89
Loc: Toronto, ON
Hi everyone.
Right now I've got a pair of M22's paired with a Merak MS-885 sub (also manufactured at Colquhoun Audio Laboratories.. its an older model, similar to the MS8 "100 Watt RMS Amplified 8” down firing subwoofer system"). I picked this sub up for $100 at radio shack one day cause my old Merak MB6 bookshelves were lacking in the bass area. Anyways.. since then I've upgraded to the M22s, but the sub is still here. It does give a punch to the music, and can actually shake my room fairly well given it's size and power, but alas, I think I need an upgrade.

I use my system 99.5% for music, and actually use it for my studio monitoring. So. I really do need quality bass in order to mix down and master my music properly, especially because the music i deal with is club style music that is bass heavy.

Since my home studio is actually in my bedroom, and with the whole setup here, the sub will be very close to my seating position. I mean, i currently use my Merak sub as a little table to put drinks on etc heh, it's within one foot of me.

Because of these rather unique situation I am wondering if the same general advice will apply (hsu or svs). I am really leaning towards an Axiom EP175 because I love the way it looks, and matching the boston cherry finish of my M22's would be very nice. Because Im sitting so close to it, and I wont be using it for movies, would this sub be good?

Thanks for any comments!

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#20194 - 09/18/03 08:31 PM Re: yet another post about SUBS
spiffnme Offline
axiomite

Registered: 04/01/03
Posts: 5214
Loc: Los Angeles
You know what I'm going to say.

Well, just in case you don't. Hsu, Hsu, Hsu...

In your case their new STF-8 would probably work great. It's supposed to be available 10/01.


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#20195 - 09/18/03 08:52 PM Re: yet another post about SUBS
gem41573 Offline
veteran

Registered: 11/21/02
Posts: 171
Loc: Northern NJ
It actually looks like the STF subs won't be available until October 31st. HSU quietly changed the date on their website from the 1st to the 31st in the last day or so. Pretty darn annoying, as I have been anxiously waiting to get the STF-2 (by the way, they changed the names of the subs to STF-1, STF-2 and STF-3 to track the VTF subs). They do look like they will be great options if they ever come out with them.

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#20196 - 09/18/03 08:53 PM Re: yet another post about SUBS
spiffnme Offline
axiomite

Registered: 04/01/03
Posts: 5214
Loc: Los Angeles
hmm...delays do suck don't they. But I'm sure they'll be worth the wait.
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#20197 - 09/18/03 09:20 PM Re: yet another post about SUBS
JohnK Offline
shareholder in the making

Registered: 05/11/02
Posts: 10387
Paul, I know almost nothing about the Merak, but just based on the numbers you can apparently do a little better. There's a considerable amount of opinion that for the same price other subs(e.g. Hsu, SVS)have more to offer but there's little solid information on the point. Since cherry EP175s are on sale now for $450 it wouldn't hurt to give it a try.
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#20198 - 09/18/03 09:48 PM Re: yet another post about SUBS
chrono Offline
old hand

Registered: 06/24/03
Posts: 89
Loc: Toronto, ON
thanks for the replies. i am wondering why people don't recommend the axiom subs, is there something about them specifically that is a drawback? I dont really care about low end extension, or super high volume levels that will destroy my floorboards. I just want a very controlled acurate bass. I realize that many people will say that the axiom subs are alittle expensive, but I am willing to pay slightly more for getting a cherry finish, and for dealing with a company that has such great customer service.

but.. If I am really going to be missing out on some good bass if I do get the axiom, I might reconsider.

does the hsu ship free to Canada? and do I have to pay canadian taxes on it?

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#20199 - 09/19/03 04:25 PM Re: yet another post about SUBS
weebo523 Offline
hobbyist

Registered: 05/30/03
Posts: 28
I'll put a plug in for the EP175. It is an extremely good musical sub. Very tight, very clean. Blends superbly with the M22's. Not a home theater slouch either, but really shines with music. Mine sits right next to me, in the rear corner of my setup, but I still hear the base up front, where it should be.

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#20200 - 09/19/03 11:52 PM Re: yet another post about SUBS
chrono Offline
old hand

Registered: 06/24/03
Posts: 89
Loc: Toronto, ON
thanks for the reply weebo.

I was just at a store called Brack Home Entertainment in downtown toronto (recommended by saturn) and auditioned a B&W ASW600. Appearently, this was the only sub they had in the $700-800 CND price range, so I gave it a listen. The salesman put on some jazz cd to start, and I couldnt really get a good sense of the bass from that (as I dont listen to jazz) so I got him to put on a dub CD I brought along. When the beat kicked in, I was fairly disappointed by the bass. It was not very powerfull, and really didnt punch out the kick drums. But, on the other hand the sound was very well integrated with the DM602.5 S3s that were set up, and produced a nicely rounded warm bass. He also suggested that the ASW675 subwoofer was much quicker and more musical, but also carried double the price tag. I also told him that I was looking into SVS and Hsu, and he actually said he had never heard of them.

So, in my opinion, I would definately not pay $750 for this B&W sub. It just didnt have the impact that I was looking for.

Oh and on a side note, I felt that my M22's actually sounded better than the DM602.5 S3s.


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#20201 - 09/20/03 01:10 AM Re: yet another post about SUBS
spiffnme Offline
axiomite

Registered: 04/01/03
Posts: 5214
Loc: Los Angeles
I too went to a store that sold B&W...wow...what an eye opener that was!

B&W has such a good name, but such lousy product! Maybe their high end stuff is nice, but there more entry level speakers were pretty dreadful. I heard the entire line of 600 series. Bleck... (they look darn nice though)

That was the point when I realized that unlike most other things in life, with speakers you don't always get what you pay for.
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#20202 - 09/20/03 01:37 AM Re: yet another post about SUBS
Saturn Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 10/21/02
Posts: 1041
Loc: Toronto Ontario Canuck
B&W are good from the CM series and up. Did you try the mirage's at Bracks?
None of the local retailer in Toronto would know SVS and HSU.
There's nothing under $800 that wil get the ummmphh of a SVS or HSU. My Mirage Bi-Polar BP150 2 x 8" gets pretty low. Buts it is $1000cdn.
Audio Excellence Yorkville I believe has Rel subs...They go as low as HSU I believe but they arent cheap.


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