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#204323 - 04/15/08 10:44 AM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: jakewash]
anthony11 Offline
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The M80's are 4 ohm, though, IIRC, so going with them may well require a heftier amp.

I'm occasionally tempted by the M80's for my upcoming purchase but would rather not have to buy twice the amp -- currently looking at the Yamaha RX-V663 (wish the 863's price delta weren't so big) with 2xM60+VP150+2xQS8





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#204350 - 04/15/08 01:13 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: anthony11]
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Not really, a number of us run the Denon 3808 and I ran my M80s for a while with a Denon 1804, So you don't have to buy a heftier amp, just one that is well built. I would be very surprised if the newer Yamahas you are looking at couldn't run the M80s.
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#204354 - 04/15/08 01:22 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: jakewash]
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My Denon 2805 had no issues with my 80's at very loud levels, prior to me getting my Odyssey monoblocks. \:\)
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#204428 - 04/16/08 04:17 AM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: jakewash]
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 Originally Posted By: jakewash
Not really, a number of us run the Denon 3808 and I ran my M80s for a while with a Denon 1804, So you don't have to buy a heftier amp, just one that is well built. I would be very surprised if the newer Yamahas you are looking at couldn't run the M80s.

Well, the Denon 3808 at $1000-ish and 130 wpc x 7 and 39 lbs would seem to be heftier than a Yamaha RX-V663 at $410-ish and 26 lbs, no? I'm not trying to be argumentative here, just trying to understand what does/doesn't work, and to make a decision to stick with M60/RX-V668 or go M60/3808 or M80/3808.

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#204429 - 04/16/08 05:26 AM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: anthony11]
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or M80 RX-V663, I think it should be possible.My Denon 1804 was only about 26lbs. I wasn't thinking about weight/costs in relation to the heftier comment. I was thinking more in terms of power quality (seperates) for some reason.

Let's put it this way if you can afford the more expensive price tag, then why not? It isn't wasted money as the higher end AVR's have more power and extra features/connections the lower ones do not. For me the network connectivity is what sold me on the 3808.

Go for the combination that will work best for your needs, If the 663 has everything that you want, go ahead and get it, if the M80s sound like the speakers you really want, get them. You can always add 2 monoblocks to the system if you find the 663 just doesn't quite meet your power needs for the M80s.
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#204470 - 04/16/08 01:31 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: jakewash]
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Well, no, my wife probably wouldn't let me spend more in the future (or add more boxes to the installation), especially once our baby hatches, so I feel that I need to plan a surgical strike in my window of opportunity ;). On the more-expensive price tag issue, I haven't talked $ with her yet but I'm sure that the higher I go the more resistance I'll get. She's already not all that happy about my 61" being in the living room and kinda wanted me to sell it so we could just use her 20" CRT/VHS/DVD combo unit -- so you see what I'm up against here :-/

I'm planning 5.0 or 5.1 -- seating will pretty much be against the back wall so the value of rear surrounds would seem to be especially limited -- and the value of diffuse QS4/8's to be high.

2xM60+VP150+2xQS8 from the outlet + RX-V663 = USD ~2100. At the other extreme, 2xM80+VP150+2xQS8+EP350 in real wood with a Denon 3808 would be USD ~4800. Accounts here seem to be that Axiom's vinyl is of high quality, so I'm thinking that I'll regretfully skip the substantial added cost for real wood veneer -- hopefully Axiom's "Boston Cherry" vinyl will more or less match the "Brazilian Cherry" flooring in the new room (she's already surprised me by saying that vinyl would be okay). Probably on the realistic high end I'd be looking at a 3808+outlet(2xM80,VP150,2xQS4) for USD ~3000, with the added cost of the M80's and 3808 making it difficult to justify Axiom's spendy EP350 sub.

As you can tell, I can be maddeningly indecisive when presented with more than one tradeoff axis. On one hand, the guy in me wants more power and more whizzy features on general principles, but on the other hand, my dead brother's 2.0 Bose 501 Series IV's driven by a late-80's Sony 70w stereo rcvr have seemed fine for me so far, in a room of roughly the same dimensions. Most of what I've read seems to indicate that driving a 4 ohm load like the M80's with a modest Yamaha receiver wouldn't be a good idea.

So, I need to try to predict in advance if the M60's with the high-value-at-the-price-point Yamaha RX-V663 would be enough in the new room. I have a feeling they would be, given that my existing Sony + Bose setup in a similar but carpeted room rarely goes above 3/10 volume.

I initially didn't care about the network connectivity, as it's easy enough to plug an iPod dock into any receiver. Then I read that Denon's network audio streaming only works with an MS-DOS machine, so it'd only be useful for downloading firmware updates.

I'd be happy with a receiver that didn't do video at all - my Samsung TV has 2x HDMI, 2x component, 2x S-video. 99+% of the time I'm just using the HDMI's -- one for my Oppo, the other for ITMS TV shows via laptop. Having to push two buttons on two remotes instead of one to switch sources is no big deal for me. I should think that sometime in the next year or two Oppo will come out with a BD/DVD combo unit that I'd upgrade to. The only other HDMI I can envision would potentially be an HD Dish or cable (spit) STB. Mainly what I'm after here is surround effects for DVDs and the odd TV show that has them, and the idea of an automated level/EQ setup (YPAO or Audessy) has a certain appeal.

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#204478 - 04/16/08 03:44 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: anthony11]
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I have a 5.1 system in Boston Cherry. MY house is up for sale right now and I am expecting a buyer to want to purchase the whole shabang with the Axiom system and 92" screen (with projector).

That being said, I will not go back to boston cherry, I will be opting for Rosewood next time around. The boston cherry is a nice vinyl, but it is by no means real wood. If anything, at least swing a High Gloss boston cherry, or get a custm vinyl. If you really want the real wood, just go with it man. Go with the real wood and the RX-V663.
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#204498 - 04/16/08 06:40 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: anthony11]
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Anthony, you're all over the place...reminds me of where I was at last November \:\) So many choices, so many things to think about. I had an old Sony receiver, 50w I think, and some even older Kenwood speakers that worked fine for me for years. The only reason I was looking at upgrading was because I was looking at a new TV and didn't think my crappy old audio equipment would do the new TV justice.

I ended up throwing my budget out the window and got the Epic 60-600 system along with a Denon 3808. I couldn't be more pleased.

Anyways, on to your situation...

2xM60 + VP150 + 2xQS8 + RX-V663 (config you listed)
Not bad. I love my M60s, they produce more bass than I thought they would, but without a sub it's still not enough for my liking.

M60 + VP150 + QS8 + EP350 + RX-V663
I think this would sound much better than the above config.

M22 + VP100 + QS4 + EP175 + RX-V663
If budget is a big concern, this setup is worth considering.

2xM80 + VP150 + 2xQS4 + 3808 (config you listed)
This doesn't look bad, but if you are going to spend this much money you might as well spend the extra $150 and upgrade to the QS8.

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#204501 - 04/16/08 06:49 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: Hutzal]
anthony11 Offline
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Registered: 04/15/08
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Loc: Seattle WA
Are you saying that the Boston Cherry looks cheesy? Not sure that I could justify a 25% premium for custom vinyl or 50% for custom wood :-(

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#204504 - 04/16/08 07:11 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: anthony11]
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Registered: 06/20/03
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Loc: Tacoma
I don't think the EP350 is "spendy". At all.

If you have a good place to put it, don't discount the notion of getting a VP100 instead of a VP150 to save a little coin.

I'd get the Yamaha, real wood 60's and a sub. You might not need real wood for the other speakers, depending upon where they are located and what your decorating scheme is like.
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