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#204505 - 04/16/08 07:24 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: JasonC]
anthony11 Offline
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Registered: 04/15/08
Posts: 267
Loc: Seattle WA
 Originally Posted By: JasonC
Anthony, you're all over the place...reminds me of where I was at last November \:\) So many choices, so many things to think about.

Indeed. Heck, I started out just wanting to add surrounds and a center to my existing Bose beasts, was looking at Atlantic Technology bookshelves. Then the Polk RtiA8's looked good, and now I find myself here
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The only reason I was looking at upgrading was because I was looking at a new TV and didn't think my crappy old audio equipment would do the new TV justice.

There's some of that for me, too. Sometimes I'll be watching a show with a high-quality soundtrack (eg. Supernatural) and will find myself wondering what'd be coming out of those extra 3/4 speakers that I don't have next to my 61".
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I ended up throwing my budget out the window and got the Epic 60-600 system along with a Denon 3808. I couldn't be more pleased.

Holy subsonics Batman! I have to admit that even the EP350 sub smells like overkill at this point to me.
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Anyways, on to your situation...

Some of the below configs are just the Epic [68]0 350's from the web site. I started out aiming for the VP100 center but the Axiom advisor guy kinda upsold me to the VP150. Sigh. Looks like the CLD-99's not going to fit in the stand any more -- not that it gets much use any more..
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M60 + VP150 + QS8 + EP350 + RX-V663
I think this would sound much better than the above config.

2xM80 + VP150 + 2xQS4 + 3808 (config you listed)
This doesn't look bad, but if you are going to spend this much money you might as well spend the extra $150 and upgrade to the QS8.

WTF did I write QS4 in there? I meant QS8. 1948.45 outlet + 1000 or so for the Denon beast to drive them all.

Any thoughts on 2xM80 + VP150 + 2xQS8 + 3808 (~$3000) without a sub vs. 2x M60 + VP150 + 2x QS8 + EP350 + RX-V663 (~$2700)? I'm guessing that the extra woofer in the M80 wouldn't really make up for not having a sub -- but I could be out of my vulcanmind. In the end, though, I'm sure that any of these configs will be way better than what I have now.

Just for gins, my old room (moving in 9 days -- sigh) and the new room (the staging stuff isn't staying).











Edited by anthony11 (04/16/08 07:25 PM)

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#204507 - 04/16/08 07:46 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: anthony11]
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Registered: 06/20/03
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Loc: Tacoma
What a cool house!

If you watch a lot of movies, you'll want a sub. You can always get it later, of course.
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#204510 - 04/16/08 08:34 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: tomtuttle]
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Registered: 04/15/08
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Loc: Seattle WA
 Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
What a cool house!

The old one? Yep, I love it a lot, but being on the outskirts of Monroe is kind of inconvenient, especially for my fiance' and incipient rugrat. The new place is a duplex townhouse (@#$@# Microcult millionaires have inflated the housing market) but fairly nice for its ilk. There's a CAT5e+coax run to a panel in the alcove, which will be very convenient. I haven't even thought about what to do with the wires for the surrounds (or where to place a sub if I get one) - hopefully I can find some sort of decent-looking raceway to lay on the floor rather than paying someone big bucks to fish it through the wall.
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If you watch a lot of movies, you'll want a sub. You can always get it later, of course.

Yep, we do watch lots of movies and TV shows (the latter mostly on DVD) but I suspect that truly enjoyable volume levels will seldom be feasible once the baby hatches :-/. There's the WAF factor for add-on purchases, though, and it might be tough for me to float a ~$650 EP350 purchase later. The kid's room (gotta call it a room tho it's the size of the closets in my old place) of course is conveniently riiiiight underneath the TV alcove.

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#204513 - 04/16/08 09:10 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: anthony11]
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Registered: 12/26/03
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Loc: Calgary, Alberta
 Originally Posted By: anthony11
Any thoughts on 2xM80 + VP150 + 2xQS8 + 3808 (~$3000) without a sub vs. 2x M60 + VP150 + 2x QS8 + EP350 + RX-V663 (~$2700)? I'm guessing that the extra woofer in the M80 wouldn't really make up for not having a sub -- but I could be out of my vulcanmind. In the end, though, I'm sure that any of these configs will be way better than what I have now.


You are between a rock and a hard place. You are right either one will sound much better than the old set up. I would still go for the M80s but drop the VP150 to the VP100 and then add the sub. The drop from the 150 to the 100 is hardly noticable to me(I own both if I haven't mentioned it before) and the benfits of a sub outweigh any benfit the 150 could give. I now it is still adding to the overall cost but it sounds like this could be the only chance you have for the best HT setup allowable for the near and distant future.
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#204526 - 04/17/08 07:35 AM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: jakewash]
SRoode Offline
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Registered: 03/20/08
Posts: 1200
Loc: Fishers, Indiana, USA
From the picture it looks like your old mains are Bose 501s? If so, I think even the M50s would sound better ;\)

I would seriously go with the 2xM80 + VP150 + 2xQS8 for now. The M80s are really good down to about 30Hz or so. Without the sub, you'd be losing the 20-30Hz "kick". For music it's not so much of a loss, but you would miss it in movies. If you feel down the road that you need more bass, you can always add the sub. Trading up mains is more of a hassle.

I bought 2 EP500s last month, and I'm still tweaking things. But in my theater (18.5'x16'x8.5'), I only have them set at the 6:30pm position and I'm peaking at 82db in the 20-30Hz range! If I were to do it over, I may have gone with 1 EP600 instead.
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#204536 - 04/17/08 09:46 AM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: anthony11]
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Registered: 07/26/06
Posts: 2102
Loc: Hollywood. (Canadian @ <3)
 Originally Posted By: anthony11
Are you saying that the Boston Cherry looks cheesy? Not sure that I could justify a 25% premium for custom vinyl or 50% for custom wood :-(




I am not saying that the boston cherry's are cheesy by any means. But if you think they will match your floor, I would order a sample first to see if the finish will match. The cost of a sample is deducted from your final order.
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#204552 - 04/17/08 11:59 AM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: SRoode]
anthony11 Offline
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Registered: 04/15/08
Posts: 267
Loc: Seattle WA
 Originally Posted By: SRoode
From the picture it looks like your old mains are Bose 501s? If so, I think even the M50s would sound better ;\)

Yep, Series IV's. My late brother's pride and joy. If I can make this Axiom purchase I'll need to figure out what to do with them.

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#204602 - 04/17/08 11:37 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: gpspolice]
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Registered: 02/23/04
Posts: 832
Loc: Illinois.
M60's
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#204603 - 04/18/08 12:44 AM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: LT61]
Mojo Offline
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Registered: 01/21/07
Posts: 3292
I have the 601 series IIs from 1984. It took me years and years to set them up optimally but when I did, the soundstage was superb. Then I got the M80s and realized I was missing 80% of the sound spectrum with the 601s.

Save up for an extra month and buy the 80s. You won't regret it.

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#204684 - 04/18/08 05:12 PM Re: M60's or M80's [Re: Mojo]
anthony11 Offline
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Registered: 04/15/08
Posts: 267
Loc: Seattle WA
It's not really a question of saving up -- in the USA tradition, anything I buy will rack up interest on a credit card -- but rather the inverse correlation between system cost and WAF when the time comes to order (hopefully next month!).

It's not just the $300 difference between outlet M60's and M80's, but also the need for a more powerful amp to handle the 4-ohm M80's, which makes it more like a $900 difference.

On a tangent, I wonder what makes the M60 with three big drivers 8-ohm but the VP150 with three big drivers 6-ohm. One would think they'd both be the same. Or are these impedance ratings kinda rounded?

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